CDZ Why Should Iran Trust America?

[Liminal]

Given the facts that the United States of America instigated, sponsored, and enabled a military coup which overthrew the democratically elected legal government of Iran, and then supported a tyrannical dictatorship for decades.......why should Iran trust America? Why should Iran give up the right to defend itself from an historic oppressor?

 

[cnm]

why should Iran trust America? Why should Iran give up the right to defend itself from an historic oppressor?

Well obviously it shouldn't and it shouldn't. But what do you mean about Iran giving up the right to defend itself?

 

[Toro]

Who gives a shit?

 

[cnm]

US meddlers.

 

[Liminal]

why should Iran trust America? Why should Iran give up the right to defend itself from an historic oppressor?

Well obviously it shouldn't and it shouldn't. But what do you mean about Iran giving up the right to defend itself?

It shouldn't twice?

 

[Liminal]

US meddlers.

Evidently on behalf of the rapidly shrinking British Empire and oil corporations.

 

[Liminal]

Who gives a shit?

I give up. Who?

 

[cnm]

It shouldn't twice?

Well you did give two cases. But you haven't given the requested explanation of your second case.

Any reason?

 

[there4eyeM]

If you were in charge of guarding the welfare of your people and country, would you trust a major power that has conducted itself as the US has?

 

[Interpol]

Trust is not the context of the deal between the P5+1 and Iran (remember, it isn't only America's deal). There is a mistrust and that is why there is a deal in the first place. The context of the deal is verification. Iran must abide by a set of rules or the sanctions that had choked them would go back into effect.

The nuclear arms treaty between President Reagan and the former Soviet Union was not based on trust either. What did he say? "Trust & Verify".

Trust was also not the basis of President Nixon creating a working relationship with China.

Trust happens over time as both sides honor the international agreements they have signed. Iran has no basis to trust American neo-conservatives, whose only wish is to kick up another war over. But so far they trust that the Obama administration and the P5+1 will stick with the deal and they understand that those countries will not, say, sanction them improperly for no good reason.

As time goes on and they honor the agreement, their trust level will build in the 6 nations they signed the int'l agreement with, and the trust of those 6 nations will build as well. Iran is a society evolving rather quickly. Their people are as westernized as the people of Egypt. Their religious leaders simply don't have the power they once had, just as the neo-cons will not be given power by the American people any time soon.

 

[cnm]

Trust happens over time as both sides honor the international agreements they have signed. Iran has no basis to trust American neo-conservatives, whose only wish is to kick up another war over.

Iran has no basis to trust the US in general. The US is in breach of the NPT, as are the other nuclear signatories, while enforcing stringent measures on Iran.

Let me know when the US starts honouring the international agreements it's signed.

There's quite a list of international agreements the US has violated after signing:

The UN Charter, The Convention against Torture, The Geneva Conventions and of course the NPT.

 

[Socialist]

No nation should trust america, period, especially Iran.

 

[2aguy]

Yeah....a real look at the situation in Iran and what really happened....

Iran The Shah Mossadegh and the CIA National Review Online

That’s nonsense, of course, but it’s widely believed nonsense — and not just among college kids who’ve read the first chapter of a Noam Chomsky book. There are serious men who are under the impression that the CIA led a coup to replace an upstanding, democratic reformer named Mohammed Mossadegh with a fascist Shah named Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, and that Pahlavi’s crimes were so atrocious that Iran was driven into the arms of the mullahs. None of that is true. And with Congress getting ready to vote on the Iran deal, everyone could use a little historical perspective.

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Extremely valuable property, legally owned by the British government and British private citizens, had been confiscated by a foreign government. Before the war, Britain might have invaded. Instead, it retaliated against Mossadegh by leading an international embargo of Iran’s oil and by withdrawing its technicians from the nationalized holdings. Without British know-how, the company could barely function; after the withdrawal, Iranian oil production dropped 96 percent. And the oil that was produced couldn’t be sold.

Oil money funded the Iranian government; without it, Mossadegh’s reforms were worthless, and his popularity plunged. Mossadegh called a parliamentary election in late 1951.
When he realized he was going to lose, he had the election suspended. (That should put to bed the notion that he was an idealistic democrat.)


Nonetheless, Shah Pahlavi allowed Mossadegh to form a new government, and in the summer of ’52, Mossadegh demanded authority to appoint a new minister of war and a new chief of staff, which would give him control of Iran’s military — thitherto under the authority of (and loyal to) the Shah. The Shah refused; Mossadegh resigned, and began to organize anti-Shah demonstrations. Iran was thrown into chaos, and, fearing collapse of the country, the Shah acquiesced, re-appointed Mossadegh, and gave him full control over the military. (Quite the fascist was Shah Reza Pahlavi.)

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The U.S. had helped turn Persian public opinion against Mossadegh. However: There was no coup. In 1953, Mossadegh was prime minister of Iran; like many heads of state, the Shah had the legal, constitutional authority to remove his prime minister, which he did, at the behest of his ally the United States. Mossadegh, though, refused to be removed, and he arrested the officers who tried to deliver the Shah’s notice of dismissal. The Shah was forced to flee the country. At that point, it looked at if the U.S.’s anti-Mossadegh efforts had failed: The Shah was gone, and Mossadegh remained in power. After the Shah fled, says Takeyh, “the initiative passed to the Iranians.” The man who the Americans, the British, and the Shah had agreed should replace Mossadegh was General Fazlollah Zahedi; Zahedi was a powerful man, and well-liked by much of the political establishment, the religious establishment, and the army. With the Shah gone, and the Americans more or less resigned to failure, Zahedi took over the anti-Mossadegh campaign himself, spreading word throughout the country that the Shah — who remained popular — had fired Mossadegh and appointed Zahedi in his place. Says Takeyh: “Pro-shah protesters took to the streets. It is true that the CIA paid a number of toughs from the bazaar and athletic centers to agitate against the government, but the CIA-financed mobs rarely exceeded a few hundred people in a country now rocked by demonstrators numbering in the thousands . . . in the end, the CIA-organized demonstrations were overtaken by a spontaneous cascade of pro-shah protesters.”Read more at: Iran The Shah Mossadegh and the CIA National Review Online

 

[2aguy]

No nation should trust america, period, especially Iran.

You guys really are nuts......Iran is ruled by evil men...you have no moral compass, and really, really need to have one put in quickly.....

 

[2aguy]

Given the facts that the United States of America instigated, sponsored, and enabled a military coup which overthrew the democratically elected legal government of Iran, and then supported a tyrannical dictatorship for decades.......why should Iran trust America? Why should Iran give up the right to defend itself from an historic oppressor?

You guys are the ones who thought hitler was a good guy too....until 1939 happened....then, like Chamberlain, you would be sitting there with a stupid look on your faces.......

 

[Katzndogz]

Iran is an enemy of the US. So they can certainly trust the evil regime now in power. Friends of the US can't trust the US. With obama, we always betray our friends.

 

[skye]

Iran should trust America because Hussein Obama is on their side.

 

[cnm]

Then again one could listen to what comes from the horse's mouth rather than the horse's arse.

CIA formally admits role in 1953 Iranian coup

http://www.usatoday.com

The coup plot, which relied heavily on local collaborators, used propaganda to undermine Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq politically, arm-twisted the shah to get his cooperation, bribed members of parliament, organized the security forces that carried it out and stirred up public demonstrators to serve as a backdrop for the operation.

The initial coup attempt failed and the shah fled the country, but the organizers succeeded in a second attempt two days later.

Materials posted on the website include working files from Kermit Roosevelt, the senior CIA officer on the ground in Iran during the coup and the son of former President Theodore Roosevelt.

The CIA history of the operation called the coup a "last resort" to avoid the possibility that Iranian oil could fall under the control of the Soviet Union.

"The military coup that overthrew Mosaddeq and his National Front cabinet was carried out under CIA direction as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government," the CIA history says.

It says Mosaddeq was "neither a madman nor an emotional bundle of senility" but a political leader "who had become so committed to the ideal of nationalism that he did things that could not have conceivably helped his people even in the best and most altruistic of worlds."​

 

[nat4900]

Should we really be surprised that the CIA has long denied (until fairly recently) any involvement in the coup that the agency perpetrated on Iran in the early 1950s?

Well, apparently right wingers on this thread would swallow crap, rather than admit that Iran has every right (based on history) to distrust the US and.....most of all...Britain.

 

[skye]

whatever LOL