Why should a hamburger flipper make the same as a highly skilled worker???

That's how communist thugs always describe themselves while they are working to bring on the police state and put everyone in a gulag. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were just a couple of harmless innocent clerical workers, right?

Chile s Pinochet FoughtMarxist Violence - WSJ

Such judgments--expressed by mere Chileans--would not, however, spare the military the wrath of leftist political elites around the world. To counter the still existing well-armed and well-funded guerrilla and urban terrorist forces, the embattled government created, in 1974, a military intelligence agency which--before Mr. Pinochet disbanded it in 1978--would become a rogue elephant responsible for most of the human rights abuses. What is seldom spoken of is that most of the victims were terrorists. Before Fidel Castro sentenced him to 30 years in prison in 1989, Cuban Gen. Patricio de la Guardia bragged at his "trial" of his service in Chile during the Allende years. He said he had led part of an international para-military brigade--one that the Chilean government estimated to number about 15,000.

In June 1974, the Communist Party in Chile reiterated its doctrine that the right to use violence was "non-negotiable." But the talk of violence was muted for a time as the party attempted to gain political allies. In 1976, however, party ideologue Volodia Teitelboim in a Radio Moscow broadcast spoke of the need to "rethink the military problem," adding that Communists could not be "Gullivers bound hand and foot by legality."

On April 5, 1977, a group of cashiered Chilean military men in London announced the formation of a "Front of Democratic Armed Forces of Chile in Exile." A second such group was formed the same day in Brussels and a third shortly afterwards in Communist East Berlin. On April 6, a spokesman named Jaime Estevez said in a Radio Moscow broadcast that the purpose of these Soviet-backed entities was to lead the fight "for the overthrow of the fascist junta." In August of that year, the Central Committee of the Chilean Communist Party constituted itself as "The General Staff of Revolution."

In 1979, one month after the Sandinistas shot their way into power in Nicaragua, Chilean Communist Party Secretary General Luis Corvalan said Chile "could become the second Nicaragua." A month later, he warned that "if fascism is not eradicated. . . terrorism would find in Chile a wide open field for its action." A year later, from his Moscow refuge, Corvalan proclaimed a new era of "acute violence." Corvalan endorsed guerrilla warfare, terrorism and a massive armed uprising.

By 1986, increasingly legalized political activity in Chile was gathering momentum in preparation for what would be free elections in 1988. Early that year, the military stumbled onto part of one of the largest clandestine arms shipments in the history of the hemisphere, enough to arm 5,000 men. It was traced to Cuba. That same year, a meticulously planned assassination plot involving 70 terrorists narrowly missed killing Gen. Pinochet; five of his escorts were murdered.
No where does this article back up anything you say about the ones he executed, and ask yourself, why do you think they're wanting to fight pinochet, you fucking moron? You're a fucking nut job who needs to go to an actual gulag.

They want to fight him for the same reason that communists everywhere want to fight governments that support capitalism: they're communists. A lot of them were in the pay of the Cuban or Soviet government. The rest were home grown scumbags.

Enslaving people is what communists do.
Jesus Christ, how stupid are you?

That's ironic coming from a self-admitted communist. What could be dumber than a communist after all the obvious failures of communism in the 20th century?
That wasn't communism... You know it wasn't.

Yes, we know it wasn't a triangle with four sides.
 
That's ironic coming from a self-admitted communist. What could be dumber than a communist after all the obvious failures of communism in the 20th century?
That wasn't communism... You know it wasn't.

Communism is simply, "A government that owns Industry and Controls Industry". Nothing more. Dictatorships love Communism. I'll assume the readers can guess why.

Communism is the theory that there are ample supplies of everything and we should all have some. Capitalism is the theory that we can all have a shirt but it might not have a brand name that makes you significantly cooler than the other person without the ability to get that item.
LOOOOOOOL. Google "communism" and get back to me.

Capitalism is when the people own and run business. Socialism is when the Government owns business but the people own and run it. Communism is when the Government owns and runs business.

Thanks
Communism: a stateless, classless, moneyless society

An impossible fantasy, in other words. It's like trying to find a lion that doesn't eat meat.
 
Let's all vote that the Hamburger Flipper should make less money=Socialism.
Let's all vote that Fireman should make more than Hamburger Flippers=Socialism.

Voting on how much people make is socialism, and it has always been a colossal failure.
 
When you go and check the history of labor in this country. Get back to us.
Since the advent of Union busting in this country, circa ronnie reagan. The middle class has shrunk considerably compared to the 40' - 70' s when Unions were strong and vigorous. Since then, we have lived with the policies of ronnie and NAFTA.
Cause and Effect.


The history of the labor movement in this country, USA, shows how any and all companies can and will take advantage of any worker. Even if they band together and form a Union. However, the best option for all workers is to form band and form a Union to combat the Union of CEO"s from large multi-corporations. They band together to help their profit margin.

Thats true. The laborer has options like upgrading his/her skills or leaving to find someone that will pay what he/she is worth.
The problem is, the capitalist cannot afford to pay the labor what he is actually worth, ever heard of surplus value? The idea of people just needing to get skilled doesn't really hold for me, people will always have to fill the jobs that require hard labor, fast food jobs, grocery jobs. Society demands that they exist, and people will work them.
Yes they can afford to pay but the laborer sets the market. If laborers stopped accepting shit wages capitalists would have no choice but to pay what the labor market demands. They would then pass on the cost to the consumer in order to maintain their profit margin. Until workers and consumers come together they will always make other people wealthy.
I agree they need to come together, but they're always demonized and ridicules if they try to.

Today's unions are only interested in acquiring more union paying employees to profit the President of the AFL-CIO's pockets.

Tell me, what NEW work benefit labor bill have they pushed Congress to pass towards the benefit of all workers within the last 15 years? Can you name any work conditions progress they have accomplished during that time? If it's like others I've met, you will move the issue onto something else regarding unions rather than answer that question.
 
That's ironic coming from a self-admitted communist. What could be dumber than a communist after all the obvious failures of communism in the 20th century?

Isn't funny having communist complaining about murdering innocent, or about dictatorship, or talking about democratic elections?
 
That's ironic coming from a self-admitted communist. What could be dumber than a communist after all the obvious failures of communism in the 20th century?

Isn't funny having communist complaining about murdering innocent, or about dictatorship, or talking about democratic elections?

Isn't it interesting how they behave as if Pinochet was the most evil dictator of the 20th Century while totally ignoring Castro?
 
That's ironic coming from a self-admitted communist. What could be dumber than a communist after all the obvious failures of communism in the 20th century?

Isn't funny having communist complaining about murdering innocent, or about dictatorship, or talking about democratic elections?

Isn't it interesting how they behave as if Pinochet was the most evil dictator of the 20th Century while totally ignoring Castro?
Oh, he was one of many dictators we supported. Castro? What exactly did he do that's so bad to you? You've already called Pinochet a fucking hero.. Kill yourself.
 
That's ironic coming from a self-admitted communist. What could be dumber than a communist after all the obvious failures of communism in the 20th century?

Isn't funny having communist complaining about murdering innocent, or about dictatorship, or talking about democratic elections?
Anarchist communist who opposes what Stalin, etc did.. Much like you oppose Pinochet, at least, I hope.
 
When you go and check the history of labor in this country. Get back to us.
Since the advent of Union busting in this country, circa ronnie reagan. The middle class has shrunk considerably compared to the 40' - 70' s when Unions were strong and vigorous. Since then, we have lived with the policies of ronnie and NAFTA.
Cause and Effect.


The history of the labor movement in this country, USA, shows how any and all companies can and will take advantage of any worker. Even if they band together and form a Union. However, the best option for all workers is to form band and form a Union to combat the Union of CEO"s from large multi-corporations. They band together to help their profit margin.

The problem is, the capitalist cannot afford to pay the labor what he is actually worth, ever heard of surplus value? The idea of people just needing to get skilled doesn't really hold for me, people will always have to fill the jobs that require hard labor, fast food jobs, grocery jobs. Society demands that they exist, and people will work them.
Yes they can afford to pay but the laborer sets the market. If laborers stopped accepting shit wages capitalists would have no choice but to pay what the labor market demands. They would then pass on the cost to the consumer in order to maintain their profit margin. Until workers and consumers come together they will always make other people wealthy.
I agree they need to come together, but they're always demonized and ridicules if they try to.

Today's unions are only interested in acquiring more union paying employees to profit the President of the AFL-CIO's pockets.

Tell me, what NEW work benefit labor bill have they pushed Congress to pass towards the benefit of all workers within the last 15 years? Can you name any work conditions progress they have accomplished during that time? If it's like others I've met, you will move the issue onto something else regarding unions rather than answer that question.


I said what NEW legislation has the unions been involved in that helps with working conditions of ALL workers lately, and as predicted you can't even answer. Ok I will make it easier and go back 25 years for you. Come on, show me all these latest vast improvements TODAY with working conditions as a result of unions, as I'm quite familiar with their history and the likes of Henry Miller. Surprised I even know that name?
 
That quote that Bripat posted "we are socialists" was said by Strasser, not Hitler.

Prove it.

Yeah, and btw explain why Strasser never acted on it, but Hitler did.

Because Hilter wasn't a socialist and hated socialism. That's why European leaders tolerated him and appeased him. Read history on the appeasement policies.

I recognize right wingers want to disavow Hitler but you can't. His only similarity to Stalin was that both were totalitarian dictators but one was right wing and one left.

If both were socialists, they would have been natural allies. Instead, Hitler aligned himself with the right wing fascists in Italy. Mussolini may have been militarily incompetent but at least he was right wing.

Hitler signed a non-aggression pact with Stalin to avoid fighting a war on two fronts but his intention was always to invade Russia after he had conquered Western Europe. He wanted to destroy communism but recognized that Stalin was too powerful to fight without the full military resources of the Third Reich.
 
That quote that Bripat posted "we are socialists" was said by Strasser, not Hitler.

Prove it.

Yeah, and btw explain why Strasser never acted on it, but Hitler did.

Because Hilter wasn't a socialist and hated socialism. That's why European leaders tolerated him and appeased him. Read history on the appeasement policies.

I recognize right wingers want to disavow Hitler but you can't. His only similarity to Stalin was that both were totalitarian dictators but one was right wing and one left.

If both were socialists, they would have been natural allies. Instead, Hitler aligned himself with the right wing fascists in Italy. Mussolini may have been militarily incompetent but at least he was right wing.

Hitler signed a non-aggression pact with Stalin to avoid fighting a war on two fronts but his intention was always to invade Russia after he had conquered Western Europe. He wanted to destroy communism but recognized that Stalin was too powerful to fight without the full military resources of the Third Reich.
Facts are scary.
 
That's ironic coming from a self-admitted communist. What could be dumber than a communist after all the obvious failures of communism in the 20th century?

Isn't funny having communist complaining about murdering innocent, or about dictatorship, or talking about democratic elections?

Isn't it interesting how they behave as if Pinochet was the most evil dictator of the 20th Century while totally ignoring Castro?
Oh, he was one of many dictators we supported. Castro? What exactly did he do that's so bad to you? You've already called Pinochet a fucking hero.. Kill yourself.

To me? What did Pinochet ever do to me? If you don't recall, Castro allowed the Soviets to base nuclear missiles in Cuba.

Communists are fucking scum. That's the bottom line.

It's hilarious that you defend Castro, just like a classic commie, but you are incensed about Pinochet. Castro killed and tortured far more people than Pinochet ever thought of, and they were totally innocent.
 
That's ironic coming from a self-admitted communist. What could be dumber than a communist after all the obvious failures of communism in the 20th century?

Isn't funny having communist complaining about murdering innocent, or about dictatorship, or talking about democratic elections?

Isn't it interesting how they behave as if Pinochet was the most evil dictator of the 20th Century while totally ignoring Castro?
Oh, he was one of many dictators we supported. Castro? What exactly did he do that's so bad to you? You've already called Pinochet a fucking hero.. Kill yourself.

To me? What did Pinochet ever do to me? If you don't recall, Castro allowed the Soviets to base nuclear missiles in Cuba.

Communists are fucking scum. That's the bottom line.

It's hilarious that you defend Castro, just like a classic commie, but you are incensed about Pinochet. Castro killed and tortured far more people than Pinochet ever thought of, and they were totally innocent.
Yeah, let's not forget what we were doing with our missiles, fucking hypocrite. I defend Castro because he was better then Batista, yeah, show me the numbers. He mainly killed those who were fighting to kill him, it was a fucking revolution.
 
Because Hilter wasn't a socialist and hated socialism. That's why European leaders tolerated him and appeased him. Read history on the appeasement policies.

I recognize right wingers want to disavow Hitler but you can't. His only similarity to Stalin was that both were totalitarian dictators but one was right wing and one left.

If both were socialists, they would have been natural allies. Instead, Hitler aligned himself with the right wing fascists in Italy. Mussolini may have been militarily incompetent but at least he was right wing.

Hitler signed a non-aggression pact with Stalin to avoid fighting a war on two fronts but his intention was always to invade Russia after he had conquered Western Europe. He wanted to destroy communism but recognized that Stalin was too powerful to fight without the full military resources of the Third Reich.

I tend to take his word over yours, you know, he described himself already what he was.

They were allies for quite some time, German tank crews and pilots were training in Russia because of limitations of Versailles agreement. They attacked Poland together and split it in half. They signed non-aggression pact that he violated by launching operation Barbarossa. He knew if he didn't attack, Stalin would. Neither one trusted each other.

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I recommend reading Icebreaker by Victor Suvorov, also The Failure of America's Foreign Wars by Ebeling & Homberger.

The only true statement from you is that Hitler hated communists, but I doubt you know why. To understand his hate, you who call yourself "political junkie", should read Mein Kempf and perhaps find the origin of it. Googling headlines is not considered "reading history".
 
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FACTS...
How will you a small restaurant owner that has historically these fixed costs BEFORE the minimum wage increase make a profit on $500,000 gross sales?
A) 36% of $500,000 goes for labor or $180,000
B) 30% of $500,000 goes for food or $150,000
C) 30% of $500,000 goes for rent,utilities,taxes,licenses,permits,etc.. or $150,000
Those 3 add up to $480,000
Leaving the owner $ 20,000 profit.

Now assume the wages go to $15.00 an hour from the current $7.25 or double.
A) 36% at $7.25 now goes to say 50% or now $250,000 for labor costs
B) 30% for food, 30% for rent,etc. a total of $300,000
C) Total costs of labor,food,other $550,000
D) Gross revenue $500,000...
WHAT no profit... rather a loss the owner has to make up or hmmmm... go out of business!

Source for above percentages..
More Seattle restaurants close doors as 15 minimum wage approaches AgainstCronyCapitalism.org

The 36-30-30 pricing model is the de facto standard for fast food restaurants. This is EXACTLY how it works.

If you carry it out to its logical conclusion (assuming no increase/decrease in sales or material costs), the restaurant owner would be required to raise the cost of his product approximately 7.4% in order to recover his profit margin.

When you consider the impact on his suppliers labor increases, the number gets much closer to 10% across the board.
 

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