Why Right Wing Is Petrified of Letting Voters, Not Electoral College, Pick Presidents

[Listening]

First you would need for there to actually be an Amendment to vote on.

No amendment is required. These states are voluntarily committing their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote (once some number of states whose electoral votes together total 270 sign on), as is their prerogative under Article II, Section 1.

And as i said before...that's perfectly legal and constitutional. But there's a reason why it has gained very little support outside blue states. Major cities tend to be in liberal states so it benefits their political ideology with little risk. Look at the map I posted earlier. Such a situation will put the vast majority of determining executive power in the hands of Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Denver, Houston, Chicago, Miami, New York City, Philadelphia, Detroit, Cleveland, and Phoenix, Pittsburgh. Do they represent the United States of America? No. They represent the interests of major cities and what is good for them is not always good for Spokane, Washington; Lewiston, Idaho; Cheyenne, Wyoming; or Bismarck, North Dakota. The Senate was created to ensure the interests of those places were recognized as well.

Just wait until their state votes blue but the popular vote goes to the GOP. Uou'll see the whole thing change overnight.

 

[tinydancer]

The Republicans are frantically trying to suppress the black vote with voter ID laws, and swamp the system with tens of millions in Super PAC money, they know the Dems can't match.

Republicans hate democracy.

America is not a democracy.

 

[Chris]

You want to do away with the EC? You have any idea what the results would be?

Just think Florida 2000 on a national scale. Every precinct in every state counting and recounting votes. Votes being manufactured all over the place. Fraud. Corruption. Complete manipulation of the elections. Total Chaos.

Follow that with fighting in the streets and civil war.

omg - a nationwide recount - what a nightmare that would be

Not at all....if there was a national standard for elections.

 

[Chris]

The Republicans are frantically trying to suppress the black vote with voter ID laws, and swamp the system with tens of millions in Super PAC money, they know the Dems can't match.

Republicans hate democracy.

America is not a democracy.

Yes it is.

 

[Wiseacre]

And what about all the bragging the dems do about how the blue states are richer than red states. What gives ?

More intelligent, too.

Not really bragging, at least not on my part. It is what it is.

I guess most of the people, companies, and jobs leaving most of the blue state for places like Florida and Texas must be the idiots, which raises the intelligence level of those who remain.

 

[Listening]

You want to do away with the EC? You have any idea what the results would be?

Just think Florida 2000 on a national scale. Every precinct in every state counting and recounting votes. Votes being manufactured all over the place. Fraud. Corruption. Complete manipulation of the elections. Total Chaos.

Follow that with fighting in the streets and civil war.

omg - a nationwide recount - what a nightmare that would be

Not at all....if there was a national standard for elections.

How does the logic follow ?

Oh wait...it does not.

A national standard for most anything is a recipie for disaster.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The Republicans are frantically trying to suppress the black vote with voter ID laws, and swamp the system with tens of millions in Super PAC money, they know the Dems can't match.

Republicans hate democracy.

Up until today the Democrats and the Republicans are pretty even on fund raising. I expect that will change now that Obama has embraced Super PACS, you guys will have more money again real soon.

Wrong.

The Koch brothers are assembling a large group of corporate donors that will give over one million dollars each. Dems can't match that.

Citizens United will be the end of American democracy, if it is not overturned.

You are right, it isn't like the Democrats have billionaires like Soros or Corzine on their side.

 

[Chris]

omg - a nationwide recount - what a nightmare that would be

Not at all....if there was a national standard for elections.

How does the logic follow ?

Oh wait...it does not.

A national standard for most anything is a recipie for disaster.

It will happen one day.

America is smarter than you think.

 

[Zander]

The Republicans are frantically trying to suppress the black vote with voter ID laws, and swamp the system with tens of millions in Super PAC money, they know the Dems can't match.

Republicans hate democracy.

America is not a democracy.

Yes it is.

No, it's not moron. It is a republic.

 

[Chris]

Up until today the Democrats and the Republicans are pretty even on fund raising. I expect that will change now that Obama has embraced Super PACS, you guys will have more money again real soon.

Wrong.

The Koch brothers are assembling a large group of corporate donors that will give over one million dollars each. Dems can't match that.

Citizens United will be the end of American democracy, if it is not overturned.

You are right, it isn't like the Democrats have billionaires like Soros or Corzine on their side.

There is no comparison.

Unlimited secret corporate money will be the end of American democracy, and Romney is the face of that problem.

 

[Chris]

America is not a democracy.

Yes it is.

No, it's not moron. It is a republic.

A republic is a democracy.

And personal insults just make you look silly.

 

[Listening]

Not at all....if there was a national standard for elections.

How does the logic follow ?

Oh wait...it does not.

A national standard for most anything is a recipie for disaster.

It will happen one day.

America is smarter than you think.

And if you moved to one of your beloved socialist countries where they focus more on the sermon on the mount than the rule of law (which is one of your espoused qualities).....we'd be even smarter.

 

[Listening]

Yes it is.

No, it's not moron. It is a republic.

A republic is a democracy.

And personal insults just make you look silly.

It's a representative democracy and you needn't worry about him looking silly.

Next to you he looks like a genius.

 

[edthecynic]

Why does merely being a physicist mean you are "much better educated than (he) could ever hope to be"?

Because Physics is easily the most difficult and demanding of all educational pursuits. Only a very select few can master physics.

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Rep. Rush Holt takes down IBM supercomputer 'Watson' in round of Jeopardy! | NJ.com
TRENTON — The answer is: This rocket scientist congressman from central New Jersey took down IBM supercomputer "Watson" during a round of Jeopardy!
Question: Who is Rush Holt?
In a battle of wits between man and machine at a Capitol Hill hotel Monday night, Holt (D-12th Dist.) triumphed over "Watson" in one round of an exhibition match sponsored by IBM. Holt finished the round with 8,600 points to the computer’s 6,200.
The event was designed to foster discussion about U.S. global competitiveness, positive implications of technology and more investment in math and science education, according to IBM.
Four of Holt's colleagues — U.S. Reps. Bill Cassidy (R-La.), Nan Hayworth (R-N.Y.), Jim Himes (D-Conn.) and Jared Polis (D-Colo.) — challenged Watson but couldn't compete with the computer.
During three televised episodes of the game show last month, Watson trounced Jeopardy! champions Ken Jennings and Brad Rutter.
Holt, a physicist who was a five-time Jeopardy! champion long before he entered the House, parlayed his victory into a call to support math and science education and invest in new technology.

 

[Wiseacre]

The Republicans are frantically trying to suppress the black vote with voter ID laws, and swamp the system with tens of millions in Super PAC money, they know the Dems can't match.

Republicans hate democracy.

Up until today the Democrats and the Republicans are pretty even on fund raising. I expect that will change now that Obama has embraced Super PACS, you guys will have more money again real soon.

Wrong.

The Koch brothers are assembling a large group of corporate donors that will give over one million dollars each. Dems can't match that.

Citizens United will be the end of American democracy, if it is not overturned.

LOL, what a load of absolute crap. You realize Obama is going to raise close to a billion bucks, right? You realize the dems total donations in 2010 exceed slightly whatt he GOP raised, right?

 

[Chris]

How does the logic follow ?

Oh wait...it does not.

A national standard for most anything is a recipie for disaster.

It will happen one day.

America is smarter than you think.

And if you moved to one of your beloved socialist countries where they focus more on the sermon on the mount than the rule of law (which is one of your espoused qualities).....we'd be even smarter.

I moved my money to a socialst country....the credit union.

 

[Listening]

Wrong.

The Koch brothers are assembling a large group of corporate donors that will give over one million dollars each. Dems can't match that.

Citizens United will be the end of American democracy, if it is not overturned.

You are right, it isn't like the Democrats have billionaires like Soros or Corzine on their side.

There is no comparison.

Unlimited secret corporate money will be the end of American democracy, and Romney is the face of that problem.

It would be great of you could sustain the argument instead of inking off.

How can you say America is smarter than you think and turn around and basically call it a land of sheeple.

Moron.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Wrong.

The Koch brothers are assembling a large group of corporate donors that will give over one million dollars each. Dems can't match that.

Citizens United will be the end of American democracy, if it is not overturned.

You are right, it isn't like the Democrats have billionaires like Soros or Corzine on their side.

There is no comparison.

Unlimited secret corporate money will be the end of American democracy, and Romney is the face of that problem.

You said the same thing in 2010, and Democrats outspent Republicans. By the way, America is a Republic, not a Democracy. If it was actually a Democracy all national issues would be subject to popular vote. not the vote of Congress.

 

[Chris]

Up until today the Democrats and the Republicans are pretty even on fund raising. I expect that will change now that Obama has embraced Super PACS, you guys will have more money again real soon.

Wrong.

The Koch brothers are assembling a large group of corporate donors that will give over one million dollars each. Dems can't match that.

Citizens United will be the end of American democracy, if it is not overturned.

LOL, what a load of absolute crap. You realize Obama is going to raise close to a billion bucks, right? You realize the dems total donations in 2010 exceed slightly whatt he GOP raised, right?

That was before Citizens United.

I think one day Citizens United will be overturned.

 

[Zander]

Yes it is.

No, it's not moron. It is a republic.

A republic is a democracy.

And personal insults just make you look silly.

No, it is not a democracy, you dumb fuck. A republic is a distinct and entirely different system of government.

Educate yourself.........An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic