Why People Make Minimum Wage

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. I watched as people took pay cuts and more work just to keep their jobs. .

this is because liberal unions, liberal taxes, liberal schools, liberal deficits, the liberal destruction of the family, and liberal illegals combined to offshore 50 million jobs.

 

[sealybobo]

Higher wages means more union dollars much of which ends up in the hands of Democrats.

Unions are very important to the Democratic party and the Democratic party is very important to unions.

Who lobbies for workers besides unions?

This is why the GOP wants to destroy unions. They will take down the Democrats if there are no more unions.

Unions DO NOT LOBBY FOR WORKERS. They lobby for the Unions.

There is a difference.

Thats not true. Some unions are crappy POS. Others do work for their members. I worked at a place that was union and there was a running joke that the fastest way to get into management was to be the union rep. My wifes nurse union gets them anything they want.

And people that aren't in unions are so jealous.

Remember the corporate media was going after the auto workers "cadillac" insurance plans? Americans are so dumb. Rather than say, "hey, I want insurance that good", Americans were jealous and convinced that those auto workers had it too good. So instead of our insurance being as good as the auto workers, instead their insurance is now as bad as ours is.

But tell an anti union person about out of control CEO pay and they'll defend that CEO's outrageous pay every day of the week.

I agree people are dumb actually getting upset about good benefits for workers. If you choose to remain a employee at least get the best deal and unions can provide that if they are good ones. On the flip side a CEO is normally going to be worth whatever he makes to the company. Some things I learned early was that your value depends on your worth to the company. By worth I mean how much money you bring in. The other thing is if you have uncommon skills you will get uncommon pay.

Salespeople use to be valued because we brought in all the money. But then companies are always looking to cut costs so each year they raise quotas and lower the commissions. I'm speaking in general of course. Across the board this is happening all over America. Might not be happening to you, but it's happening to enough Americans that I see a pattern.

I also noticed a couple years ago the CEO's that made the most $ also laid off the most employees. That's why those employees, ALL employees should be unionized.

I'm thinking about starting a generic union. Only cost you $10 a year to be a member. If your company fucks with you, we boycott/picket them for you. Anonymously too. And if they fire you we picket them and boycott buying their products until they start acting right.

The Hobby Lobby employees would be perfect to join my union after the company fucked with their health benefits.

Is anyone picketing HobbyLobby now? I didn't think so. I would.

 

[sealybobo]

How does capitalism force corporations to provide "the best" jobs or go bankrupt?

if you don't have the best jobs your employees go to whoever has the best jobs.

Isn't learning the basics the most fun ever?

See again you would be right if you were in Econ 101.

In Econ 202 you learn there aren't enough jobs and when the market is flooded with worker/labor wages go down.

In Econ 303 we learn how the GOP purposely flooded the market with illegal workers while simultaniously shipping millions of good paying jobs overseas. See, you can learn all the rules of capitalism my friend but what you don't understand is the rich don't always play by the rules.

That's why we need government to protect us from them. You idiots act like you don't know class warfare exists. Maybe you learn that in Econ 404. I don't remember where I learned all this stuff but it is clear you are clueless.

Obviously you have never passed an ECON course in your life. Typical whiny, sniveling lib.

I have a masters in organizational management. It's a business masters stupid.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

ALL employees should be unionized.

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exactly!!! that way they will be even less competitive againist offshore jobs and every single American job will be gone!!

Pure liberal ignorance!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

How does capitalism force corporations to provide "the best" jobs or go bankrupt?

if you don't have the best jobs your employees go to whoever has the best jobs.

Isn't learning the basics the most fun ever?

See again you would be right if you were in Econ 101.

In Econ 202 you learn there aren't enough jobs and when the market is flooded with worker/labor wages go down.

In Econ 303 we learn how the GOP purposely flooded the market with illegal workers while simultaniously shipping millions of good paying jobs overseas. See, you can learn all the rules of capitalism my friend but what you don't understand is the rich don't always play by the rules.

That's why we need government to protect us from them. You idiots act like you don't know class warfare exists. Maybe you learn that in Econ 404. I don't remember where I learned all this stuff but it is clear you are clueless.

Obviously you have never passed an ECON course in your life. Typical whiny, sniveling lib.

I have a masters in organizational management. It's a business masters stupid.

If true, why cant you say even one intelligent thing about economics? You are profoundly ignorant but also without shame.

 

[Asclepias]

Unions are very important to the Democratic party and the Democratic party is very important to unions.

Who lobbies for workers besides unions?

This is why the GOP wants to destroy unions. They will take down the Democrats if there are no more unions.

Unions DO NOT LOBBY FOR WORKERS. They lobby for the Unions.

There is a difference.

Thats not true. Some unions are crappy POS. Others do work for their members. I worked at a place that was union and there was a running joke that the fastest way to get into management was to be the union rep. My wifes nurse union gets them anything they want.

And people that aren't in unions are so jealous.

Remember the corporate media was going after the auto workers "cadillac" insurance plans? Americans are so dumb. Rather than say, "hey, I want insurance that good", Americans were jealous and convinced that those auto workers had it too good. So instead of our insurance being as good as the auto workers, instead their insurance is now as bad as ours is.

But tell an anti union person about out of control CEO pay and they'll defend that CEO's outrageous pay every day of the week.

I agree people are dumb actually getting upset about good benefits for workers. If you choose to remain a employee at least get the best deal and unions can provide that if they are good ones. On the flip side a CEO is normally going to be worth whatever he makes to the company. Some things I learned early was that your value depends on your worth to the company. By worth I mean how much money you bring in. The other thing is if you have uncommon skills you will get uncommon pay.

Salespeople use to be valued because we brought in all the money. But then companies are always looking to cut costs so each year they raise quotas and lower the commissions. I'm speaking in general of course. Across the board this is happening all over America. Might not be happening to you, but it's happening to enough Americans that I see a pattern.

I also noticed a couple years ago the CEO's that made the most $ also laid off the most employees. That's why those employees, ALL employees should be unionized.

I'm thinking about starting a generic union. Only cost you $10 a year to be a member. If your company fucks with you, we boycott/picket them for you. Anonymously too. And if they fire you we picket them and boycott buying their products until they start acting right.

The Hobby Lobby employees would be perfect to join my union after the company fucked with their health benefits.

Is anyone picketing HobbyLobby now? I didn't think so. I would.

if you are in sales you actually have a leg up on other people that are employees. You already possess the main skill necessary to strike out on your own. The CEO's are making a ton of money because by firing the workers and using a skeleton crew they are saving the company tons of money and keeping the stock holders happy. The dirty secret that no one ever mentions is that the stockholders are what runs things. The company is out to please their shareholders not the workers.

 

[SAYIT]

How does capitalism force corporations to provide "the best" jobs or go bankrupt?

if you don't have the best jobs your employees go to whoever has the best jobs.

Isn't learning the basics the most fun ever?

See again you would be right if you were in Econ 101.

In Econ 202 you learn there aren't enough jobs and when the market is flooded with worker/labor wages go down.

In Econ 303 we learn how the GOP purposely flooded the market with illegal workers while simultaniously shipping millions of good paying jobs overseas. See, you can learn all the rules of capitalism my friend but what you don't understand is the rich don't always play by the rules.

That's why we need government to protect us from them. You idiots act like you don't know class warfare exists. Maybe you learn that in Econ 404. I don't remember where I learned all this stuff but it is clear you are clueless.

Obviously you have never passed an ECON course in your life. Typical whiny, sniveling lib.

I have a masters in organizational management. It's a business masters stupid.

Yeah, and I'm Mahatma Gandhi, BoBo.
I do recall organizational mgmt. is where the finance drop-outs go.
What your wild arm-waving and pissin' and fartin' has proven is that there is no lib brighter than a box of rocks. We're turning out barely functional (liberal) illiterates.

 

[dblack]

These minimum wage debates always degenerate into arguments over what people 'deserve' - which has exactly nothing to do with wages.

 

[SAYIT]

if you are in sales you actually have a leg up on other people that are employees. You already possess the main skill necessary to strike out on your own. The CEO's are making a ton of money because by firing the workers and using a skeleton crew they are saving the company tons of money and keeping the stock holders happy. The dirty secret that no one ever mentions is that the stockholders are what runs things. The company is out to please their shareholders not the workers.

Another whiny, sniveling socialist. I knew you were a racist slug but it seems you are an all around moron and loser.
Perhaps if you bought some stocks it would be worth your while to LEARN how America works.
It has always been the responsibility of mgmt. to maximize the value of the company and its profitability on behalf of the shareholders but it is mgmt. that runs the company. That has NEVER been a secret but it may well be that YOU have just figured it out.

 

[SAYIT]

These minimum wage debates always degenerate into arguments over what people 'deserve' - which has exactly nothing to do with wages.

It is the crux of the argument as far as our desperate socialists are concerned.
You know ... the you-didn't-build-that, you-don't-own-that types who know zippo about building and owning.

 

[Asclepias]

if you are in sales you actually have a leg up on other people that are employees. You already possess the main skill necessary to strike out on your own. The CEO's are making a ton of money because by firing the workers and using a skeleton crew they are saving the company tons of money and keeping the stock holders happy. The dirty secret that no one ever mentions is that the stockholders are what runs things. The company is out to please their shareholders not the workers.

Another whiny, sniveling socialist. I knew you were a racist slug but it seems you are an all around moron and loser.
Perhaps if you bought some stocks it would be worth your while to LEARN how America works.
It has always been the responsibility of mgmt. to maximize the value of the company and its profitability on behalf of the shareholders but it is mgmt. that runs the company. That has NEVER been a secret but it may well be that YOU have just figured it out.

I dont recall being a racist but if you think so then I must have worked you over for a racist comment you made. I have stocks in my portfolio. What makes you think I didnt? The secret is that workers are told the company will take care of them if they work hard and remain loyal. Like most buffoons that are still mired in the industrial age you actually think thats true. Well it is the information age and has been for a while now. People need to adapt to a new way of thinking.

 

[SAYIT]

Salespeople use to be valued because we brought in all the money. But then companies are always looking to cut costs so each year they raise quotas and lower the commissions. I'm speaking in general of course. Across the board this is happening all over America. Might not be happening to you, but it's happening to enough Americans that I see a pattern...

You do understand why the iceman no longer comeths, right? Electricity and refrigerator/freezers made his job OBSOLETE, and sales peeps never "brought in all the money."
Sales are increasingly a telephone/Internet/drop-shipped function that, in many instances, no longer requires an in-house sales force.
Do you ever do anything but whine?

 

[SAYIT]

I dont recall being a racist but if you think so then I must have worked you over for a racist comment you made.

Or perhaps I've seen you scream "racism" for a week about a comment like "he's been drinking the Kool-Aid."
Bottom line?
You see everyone and everything as racist because - drum-roll, please - you are one.

 

[rdean]

What irks me are the capitalists that whine about paying taxes to support welfare programs.

dear why does it irk the liberal given how deadly welfare programs are?

 

[Asclepias]

I dont recall being a racist but if you think so then I must have worked you over for a racist comment you made.

Or perhaps I've seen you scream "racism" for a week about a comment like "he's been drinking the Kool-Aid."
Bottom line?
You see everyone and everything as racist because - drum-roll, please - you are one.

Why would I scream racism about a comment regarding what someone is drinking? I think you are confused. If you can quote me doing so you would be more believable. My guess is you will make some excuse instead of quoting me. I must have worked you over pretty good for you to resort to lying about what I said.

 

[SAYIT]

I have stocks in my portfolio. What makes you think I didnt? The secret is that workers are told the company will take care of them if they work hard and remain loyal...

No company promises to "take care" of its employees and statements like that make me doubt not only your claim to holding stocks but to ever having held a job. Companies are not mommies, much as you seem to need them to be. At some point we are all required to grow up and grow a pair and any shareholder who doesn't understand and appreciate the fact that mgmt.'s job is to maximize the company's value and profitability on behalf of all shareholders is a fool or a liar.

 

[rdean]

. I watched as people took pay cuts and more work just to keep their jobs. .

this is because liberal unions, liberal taxes, liberal schools, liberal deficits, the liberal destruction of the family, and liberal illegals combined to offshore 50 million jobs.

Unions gave us weekends, 40 hour work weeks, child labor laws and paid vacations.

Taxes gave us the country Republicans are trying to tear down.

Liberal schools are the best in the world.

Republicans gave us the deficit with wars on credit cards, Bush tax cuts with no offset spending cuts, Drugs for Votes bill, millions of jobs moving to China from 2001 to 2008 and over 40,000 factories closing.

Republicans disowning their own gay children.

Romney s Bain Capital invested in companies that moved jobs overseas - The Washington Post

2.4 million jobs lost due to China from 2001-2008 The Economic Populist

With Republicans controlling government for 6 years and during that time, the GOP used reconciliation three times (Republicans conveniently forget for what). Yet it was a the Democrats fault.

 

[dblack]

. I watched as people took pay cuts and more work just to keep their jobs. .

this is because liberal unions, liberal taxes, liberal schools, liberal deficits, the liberal destruction of the family, and liberal illegals combined to offshore 50 million jobs.

Unions gave us weekends, 40 hour work weeks, child labor laws and paid vacations.

Taxes gave us the country Republicans are trying to tear down.

Liberal schools are the best in the world.

Republicans gave us the deficit with wars on credit cards, Bush tax cuts with no offset spending cuts, Drugs for Votes bill, millions of jobs moving to China from 2001 to 2008 and over 40,000 factories closing.

Republicans disowning their own gay children.

Romney s Bain Capital invested in companies that moved jobs overseas - The Washington Post

2.4 million jobs lost due to China from 2001-2008 The Economic Populist

With Republicans controlling government for 6 years and during that time, the GOP used reconciliation three times (Republicans conveniently forget for what). Yet it was a the Democrats fault.

Democrats got rid of the Patriot Act, eliminated corporate subsidies and freed us from health insurance companies!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Unions gave us weekends,

Little more than an idiotic lie!! then why are they gone even now where unions are long gone or never were?

 

[Asclepias]

I have stocks in my portfolio. What makes you think I didnt? The secret is that workers are told the company will take care of them if they work hard and remain loyal. Like most buffoons that are still mired in the industrial age you actually think thats true. Well it is the information age and has been for a while now. People need to adapt to a new way of thinking.

No company promises to "take care" of its employees and statements like that make me doubt not only your claim to owning stocks but to ever having held a job. Companies are not mommies, much as you seem to need them to be. At some point we are all required to grow up and grow a pair and any shareholder who doesn't understand and appreciate the fact that mgmt.'s job is to maximize the company's value and profitability on behalf of all shareholders is a fool or a liar.

All companies do it. You must have never held a job in your life if you dont remember the company promises. Then they downsize and tell you that you now have to take a pay cut and your terminated co-workers responsibilities. The next step is you get to train some guys in the Philippines on what you do. After that they fire you and wish you good luck. However, at least they were loyal to you right?

Thats why I invest in companies that value their employees. The end game is they will be the ones still standing when the general population wakes up.