Why Palestinians don't just leave Gaza?? Difficul to do!

[nat4900]

Although most right wingers cannot stomach the Huffington Post....This article addresses a depressing truth for average Palestinians caught in the crossfire.

Why Don t Palestinians Just Leave Gaza They Can t.

As airstrikes have rained down on Gaza in recent weeks, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been forced to flee their homes. Some received leaflets and phone calls from the Israeli army, urging them to evacuate ahead of fighting. Others simply feared that the airstrikes, tank shells and cross-fire might take their lives and those of their loved ones.

Yet for many Gaza residents, there are few secure places left to seek shelter. In fact, many don't have the slightest chance of exiting the enclave.

Here's why:

OVER LAND

The only legal ways in and out of Gaza are through its official border crossings with Israel and Egypt. Gaza has little control over those crossings, and both of its neighbors have severely restricted the movement of people and goods across the borders because of security concerns.

 

[Obiwan]

Apparently, the Palestinians need to solve everyone's problem by getting rid of the Hamas terrorists.

No terrorists firing rockets, no airstrikes to take them out, no problems.

 

[nat4900]

Apparently, the Palestinians need to solve everyone's problem by getting rid of the Hamas terrorists.

No terrorists firing rockets, no airstrikes to take them out, no problems.

Well you'd need to reconcile the issue whether Hamas is a cause or an effect.

 

[The Rabbi]

Apparently, the Palestinians need to solve everyone's problem by getting rid of the Hamas terrorists.

No terrorists firing rockets, no airstrikes to take them out, no problems.

Well you'd need to reconcile the issue whether Hamas is a cause or an effect.

Hamas is a terrorist scum sucking sheep fucking bunch of assholes. That's how we settle it. Let's send them to Allah. Then we can send the Fatah assholes. When the Palis come up with someone who actually cares about governing over lining his own pockets we can talk statehood.

 

[Obiwan]

Apparently, the Palestinians need to solve everyone's problem by getting rid of the Hamas terrorists.

No terrorists firing rockets, no airstrikes to take them out, no problems.

Well you'd need to reconcile the issue whether Hamas is a cause or an effect.

Hamas is the cause of the airstrikes.

No Hamas firing rockets or digging tunnels into Israel for terrorist attacks, no airstrikes. Simple.

Kind of like Don't pull a gun on a bunch of heavily armed cops, don't get shot.

Understand now?

 

[Penelope]

Apparently, the Palestinians need to solve everyone's problem by getting rid of the Hamas terrorists.

No terrorists firing rockets, no airstrikes to take them out, no problems.

Well you'd need to reconcile the issue whether Hamas is a cause or an effect.

Hamas is the cause of the airstrikes.

No Hamas firing rockets or digging tunnels into Israel for terrorist attacks, no airstrikes. Simple.

Kind of like Don't pull a gun on a bunch of heavily armed cops, don't get shot.

Understand now?

Yep, Israelis are getting killed and their cities and homes destroyed constantly. Ha Ha.

 

[Obiwan]

Penelope

The fact that terrorist attacks in Israel are down right now is proof their fight against the Hamas terrorists is working (although Israel does still get hit). That's good news for Israel and anyone else who wants to end terrorism.

Seems to be bad news for you, though. That's telling.

 

[The Rabbi]

Apparently, the Palestinians need to solve everyone's problem by getting rid of the Hamas terrorists.

No terrorists firing rockets, no airstrikes to take them out, no problems.

Well you'd need to reconcile the issue whether Hamas is a cause or an effect.

Hamas is the cause of the airstrikes.

No Hamas firing rockets or digging tunnels into Israel for terrorist attacks, no airstrikes. Simple.

Kind of like Don't pull a gun on a bunch of heavily armed cops, don't get shot.

Understand now?

Yep, Israelis are getting killed and their cities and homes destroyed constantly. Ha Ha.

Yes we know you're a brain dead joo-hater. So what?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Apparently, the Palestinians need to solve everyone's problem by getting rid of the Hamas terrorists.

No terrorists firing rockets, no airstrikes to take them out, no problems.

Well you'd need to reconcile the issue whether Hamas is a cause or an effect.

Hamas is a terrorist scum sucking sheep fucking bunch of assholes. That's how we settle it. Let's send them to Allah. Then we can send the Fatah assholes. When the Palis come up with someone who actually cares about governing over lining his own pockets we can talk statehood.

Indeed, leadership is a serious problem.

Fatah/PA is a western construct (with all of the western corruption) that does not represent the people.

Hamas's only redeeming value is that it is not Fatah.

I have posted many Palestinians here: Who Are The Palestinians US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum many of whom would be better leaders and actually are leading the ME to peace.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Apparently, the Palestinians need to solve everyone's problem by getting rid of the Hamas terrorists.

No terrorists firing rockets, no airstrikes to take them out, no problems.

Well you'd need to reconcile the issue whether Hamas is a cause or an effect.

Hamas is the cause of the airstrikes.

No Hamas firing rockets or digging tunnels into Israel for terrorist attacks, no airstrikes. Simple.

Kind of like Don't pull a gun on a bunch of heavily armed cops, don't get shot.

Understand now?

Yep, Israelis are getting killed and their cities and homes destroyed constantly. Ha Ha.

Yes we know you're a brain dead joo-hater. So what?

I like your avatar.

 

[nat4900]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

 

[georgephillip]

Where did the hundreds of thousands of Arab refugees currently "living" in Gaza come from? The came from villages like Najd in 1948.
Sderot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Sderot was founded in 1951 on lands that belonged to the Palestinian Arab village of Najd[6]and is located a few miles south of the village's ruins. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part ofOperation Barak, and the villagers were driven out[7] to Gaza."
They came from the crime of ethnic cleansing that brought the racist Jewish state into existence.

 

[nat4900]

Israelis are ALSO victims......but not necessarily from Hamas rockets, but from a corrupt leadership that perpetuates the discord by promulgating fear to the Jewish citizenry...and apartheid practices toward Palestinians.

 

[Ame®icano]

Even if they could leave, nobody wants them.

 

[nat4900]

Even if they could leave, nobody wants them.

Well, maybe we can get the British to give them Puerto Rico?....
Of course, Puerto Ricans may not like it but "so what"? Right?

 

[georgephillip]

ndeed, leadership is a serious problem.

Fatah/PA is a western construct (with all of the western corruption) that does not represent the people.

Hamas's only redeeming value is that it is not Fatah.

And it's worth remembering where Hamas (and Fatah) came from:
"Another often cited example (of political blowback) is Israeli support of Islamic movements in the 1970s and 1980s intended to weaken the PLO, and leading to the creation of Hamas.[5][6][7]

"With its takeover of Gaza after the 1967 war with Egypt, Israel hunted down secular Palestinian Liberation Organization factions but dropped the previous Egyptian rulers' harsh restrictions against Islamic activists.[8]

"In fact, Israel for many years tolerated and at times encouraged Islamic activists and groups as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the PLO and its dominant faction, Fatah."
IOW, if Israel had never engaged in ethnic cleansing, neither Hamas nor Fatah would have come into existence.
BDSmovement.net The Palestinian BDS National Committee website

 

[The Rabbi]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

 

[irosie91]

Where did the hundreds of thousands of Arab refugees currently "living" in Gaza come from? The came from villages like Najd in 1948.
Sderot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Sderot was founded in 1951 on lands that belonged to the Palestinian Arab village of Najd[6]and is located a few miles south of the village's ruins. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part ofOperation Barak, and the villagers were driven out[7] to Gaza."
They came from the crime of ethnic cleansing that brought the racist Jewish state into existence.

I am fascinated----by what legal instrument did some land miles south of an arab encampment come to be OWNED by the people of the encampment. The concept of LAND OWNERSHIP is not universal thru time and place. Bedouins---
be definition---historically, owned no land. Are you suggesting that all land either confiscated or abandoned during the 19th century and 20th century in the middle east be "returned" to the people who lived there for a period of time exceeding two years?

 

[georgephillip]

I am fascinated----by what legal instrument did some land miles south of an arab encampment come to be OWNED by the people of the encampment

We know how Jews came to OWN the land, don't we?
Operation Barak - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Operational orders defined the Giv'ati brigades objectives as: 'To deny the enemy a base ... creating general panic and breaking his morale ... cause the flight of the inhabitants of the smaller settlements in the area.'

"Commander Avidan's instructions were: 'You will determine alone, in consultation with your Arab affair advisers and Intelligence Service officer, the villages in your zone that should be occupied, cleaned up or destroyed.'

"According to historian Benny Morris, Avidan preferred the latter option.[1]"

 

[nat4900]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.

Don't you feel just a tiny bit stupid to make such an assumption?

Should I counter by asking how many Palestinians' homes have been destroyed to make room for Israeli settlers?

Should we resurrect the map showing how Palestinian land has SHRUNK since the 1960s?

Israel cannot "be left alone" since Israel is the land grabbing culprit here....and if you had some measure of decency, you would label Palestinians as "cowards" were they to just simply accept Israeli aggression and land-grab.

This thread was meant to point out that Palestinians are TRAPPED in an ever-shrinking land base where they are basically held "prisoners" within those borders.

Of course, the cynical part of me would say that Israel's restrictions on Palestinians' travel is maybe because Israel needs the cheap labor of Palestinian workers ...and like farmers in the US who have "mixed feelings" about repatriating illegal Mexicans and Latinos, Israel needs a "captured" labor force.