Why Obama Will Win

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The Mormon religion does not forbid gambling. Though they do counsel against it. It's not a tenet of their faith though. Now that you know that are you going to keep running with that false chestnut?

Gambling | What Mormons Believe:

The Mormon Church has always opposed gambling in every form, including government-sponsored lotteries.


Mormon prophets and leaders have counseled the members over time, to avoid gambling of any type. Doing so, leads one away from righteousness and into the hands of Satan. The Mormon belief is that it is an addictive behavior and leads only to destructive habits and practices. It undermines the value of work and motivates one to think that they can get something for nothing. In time, the gambler will deny themselves, as well as their family the basic needs of life. They will oft times steal from others to finance their addiction, which in turn leads to stealing, robbery, etc.

Mormons do believe that they shouldn't participate or encourage others to gamble


“The Church has been and now is unalterably opposed to gambling in any form whatever. It is opposed to any game of chance, occupation, or so-called business, which takes money from the person who may be possessed of it without giving value received in return. It is opposed to all practices the tendency of which is to encourage the spirit of reckless speculation, and particularly to that which tends to degrade or weaken the high moral standard which the members of the Church, and our community at large, have always maintained. We therefore advise and urge all members of the Church to refrain from participation in any activity which is contrary to the view herein set forth.”

Latter-day Saint opposition to gambling is rooted in key theological principles.

Since gambling is founded upon the “desire to get something of value for little or nothing,” it cultivates within us a spirit which opposes the divine ability to work for that which we desire. Also, gambling is “destructive of the finer sensitivities of the soul”

All About Mormons:* Gambling

I think the Mormons might disagree with you.

But they don't. The key to that was the church "counsels." There is a difference between what they "counsel" and what they "command."

Not drinking caffeine is "counseled." Abstaining from alcohol is "commanded." I've been to Mormon functions where there is coke. But they'd go crazy if alcohol was being served.
 
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You're comparing Romney to Reagan? What do they have in common, other than being politicians?

I think we know plenty about Romney. He was born rich, and he's got two degrees from Harvard. When he needed help with his homework, he called his dad, who was Secretary of Interior, or HUD, or something. He doesn't care about the poor, he makes $10k bets on a whim, and he's on record as being on - at least - two sides of every issue. He's an insider. He's part of the establishment - who happens to be Mormon - and he was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. What else is there to know?

Other than running against the worst president to date in a lousy economy, having served as popular governors, having had extensive experience outside of government, nothing.
You know nothing about Romney you haven't learned from listening to DNC talking points.
Romney is very capable with a record for turning things around and thinking outside the box.

I was pretty young when Carter lost, but what I remember most is those helicopters crashing in the desert. Obama's copters didn't crash - he got his man. And Obamas presiding over a recovery from a financial crisis that happened on the watch of his predecessor. Carter wasn't so lucky.

Inflation went hyper when Carter was president. I remember house mortgages going with a 21% APR. That will not win votes.

You do realize that when things got bad for Bush, the dems controlled the Senate and Congress....right?
 
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The Mormon religion does not forbid gambling. Though they do counsel against it. It's not a tenet of their faith though. Now that you know that are you going to keep running with that false chestnut?

Gambling | What Mormons Believe:

The Mormon Church has always opposed gambling in every form, including government-sponsored lotteries.


Mormon prophets and leaders have counseled the members over time, to avoid gambling of any type. Doing so, leads one away from righteousness and into the hands of Satan. The Mormon belief is that it is an addictive behavior and leads only to destructive habits and practices. It undermines the value of work and motivates one to think that they can get something for nothing. In time, the gambler will deny themselves, as well as their family the basic needs of life. They will oft times steal from others to finance their addiction, which in turn leads to stealing, robbery, etc.

Mormons do believe that they shouldn't participate or encourage others to gamble
“The Church has been and now is unalterably opposed to gambling in any form whatever. It is opposed to any game of chance, occupation, or so-called business, which takes money from the person who may be possessed of it without giving value received in return. It is opposed to all practices the tendency of which is to encourage the spirit of reckless speculation, and particularly to that which tends to degrade or weaken the high moral standard which the members of the Church, and our community at large, have always maintained. We therefore advise and urge all members of the Church to refrain from participation in any activity which is contrary to the view herein set forth.”

Latter-day Saint opposition to gambling is rooted in key theological principles.

Since gambling is founded upon the “desire to get something of value for little or nothing,” it cultivates within us a spirit which opposes the divine ability to work for that which we desire. Also, gambling is “destructive of the finer sensitivities of the soul”

All About Mormons:* Gambling
I think the Mormons might disagree with you.
Izzat so?

Obama at Casino
Obama_Beer1.jpg

 
You're comparing Romney to Reagan? What do they have in common, other than being politicians?

I think we know plenty about Romney. He was born rich, and he's got two degrees from Harvard. When he needed help with his homework, he called his dad, who was Secretary of Interior, or HUD, or something. He doesn't care about the poor, he makes $10k bets on a whim, and he's on record as being on - at least - two sides of every issue. He's an insider. He's part of the establishment - who happens to be Mormon - and he was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. What else is there to know?

No. I compared the 1980 election cycle to the 2012 election cycle. But as long as we're on the subject of Reagan, Obama is the polar opposite of Reagan. If you're implicitly giving Reagan props then you are either indicting Obama or showing your lack of understanding of politics/economics or both.

And I care that Romney was born rich why?

You think Romney doesn't care about the poor? For the longest time, he apparently visited the sick and afflicted once a week. He wasn't paid any sort of money for his two year church mission.

Why should I care that Romney makes $10K bets? Last I checked this is America and I value freedom to be successful and spend/invest money the way one wants.

As for the two sides of the issue; I can only think of two issues in which he has shifted (and I agreed with both shifts). I can think of dozens of campaign promises that Obama has violated though.

The point about Romney is that he's a man who stands for nothing, and who'll say anything to win. The other point is that he's someone who's had an easy life. He's never been tested. He's the kind of guy who beats up on fags when he was in prep school. Who's never had to worry - really worry - about how to provide for his family. Who says things like kids should take chances... Like borrowing money from their parents. Who tries to relate to voters by mentioning his wife drives two cadilacs and he has friends who own sports teams. He's out of touch and out of place. He's an alien, as far as ordinary working people are concerned.

That's why all his so-called gaffes ring out. They speak to what kind of man he is.

wow, beats up on fags?

as for the rest..........:rolleyes:
 
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The Mormon religion does not forbid gambling. Though they do counsel against it. It's not a tenet of their faith though. Now that you know that are you going to keep running with that false chestnut?

Gambling | What Mormons Believe:




“The Church has been and now is unalterably opposed to gambling in any form whatever. It is opposed to any game of chance, occupation, or so-called business, which takes money from the person who may be possessed of it without giving value received in return. It is opposed to all practices the tendency of which is to encourage the spirit of reckless speculation, and particularly to that which tends to degrade or weaken the high moral standard which the members of the Church, and our community at large, have always maintained. We therefore advise and urge all members of the Church to refrain from participation in any activity which is contrary to the view herein set forth.”

Latter-day Saint opposition to gambling is rooted in key theological principles.

Since gambling is founded upon the “desire to get something of value for little or nothing,” it cultivates within us a spirit which opposes the divine ability to work for that which we desire. Also, gambling is “destructive of the finer sensitivities of the soul”

All About Mormons:* Gambling

I think the Mormons might disagree with you.

But they don't. The key to that was the church "counsels." There is a difference between what they "counsel" and what they "command."

Not drinking caffeine is "counseled." Abstaining from alcohol is "commanded." I've been to Mormon functions where there is coke. But they'd go crazy if alcohol was being served.



Ok I can accept that distinction. Well said.
 
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The Mormon religion does not forbid gambling. Though they do counsel against it. It's not a tenet of their faith though. Now that you know that are you going to keep running with that false chestnut?

Gambling | What Mormons Believe:


“The Church has been and now is unalterably opposed to gambling in any form whatever. It is opposed to any game of chance, occupation, or so-called business, which takes money from the person who may be possessed of it without giving value received in return. It is opposed to all practices the tendency of which is to encourage the spirit of reckless speculation, and particularly to that which tends to degrade or weaken the high moral standard which the members of the Church, and our community at large, have always maintained. We therefore advise and urge all members of the Church to refrain from participation in any activity which is contrary to the view herein set forth.”

Latter-day Saint opposition to gambling is rooted in key theological principles.

Since gambling is founded upon the “desire to get something of value for little or nothing,” it cultivates within us a spirit which opposes the divine ability to work for that which we desire. Also, gambling is “destructive of the finer sensitivities of the soul”

All About Mormons:* Gambling
I think the Mormons might disagree with you.
Izzat so?

Obama at Casino
Obama_Beer1.jpg


Obama is not a mormon. I dont think you understand the context of my statement. Next time read the thread a little before answering off topic and way off the mark.
 
1. The polls. Obama's maintained a consistent lead over Romney, on average, since - well, since they started keeping track of it it.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama

2. The electoral college. If you consider WI and Penn blue states - which I think is fair - Obama is within a FL-sized margin of victory. In other words, he could lose NM, Nev, Iowa, NH, Ohio, Colorado, NC, and Virginia, and still win. Romney needs to to hit a hard eight. He needs to nearly sweep the swing states to win.

3. Romney's Etch-A-Sketch problem. Who is Romney besides a rich guy with good hair who really wants to be president? What does he stand for?

4. The economy. The economy's going to continue to improve and the one issue Republicans had pinned their hopes on will become less and less important. When Republicans are the only ones trash-talking the economy, people will see what they're doing for what it is.

So can well call off the election and save the taxpayers a boat load of money that can be used to pay down our debt instead of wasting it on a campaign that has been decided even though not a single vote has been cast yet?
 

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