Why NOT To Attack Public Sector Workers.

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    1. How can one blame a worker who 'accepts' a bonus or a raise?

    2. Political office holders gave away the store for votes.

    3. Neither of the above has behaved other than the way human nature would have predicted they would behave.
    “Culture is a stubborn opponent. The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.” Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198

    4.Thus, the validation of conservative principles: without checks and balances, people behave like....people.

    5. Further, people lash out, as we are about to do in punishing public sector workers.

    6. These people have committments, mortgages, car loans, college costs, etc....Rash and abrupt changes to their contracts and salaries will hurt both them, and the economy.

    7. Liberals are impulsive, and imprudent. They believe in quick changes, and risk new abuses worse than the ‘evils’ that they would sweep away, since remedies are usually not simple. Plato said that prudence is the mark of the statesman.

    a. Incremental change is prudent. It allows all concerned, in this matter, to adjust.

    b. This is an opportunity to show these workers the benefits of conservartive behavior...and we should not behave impulsively as the other side has.
     
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    Agreed. Incremental. Just as how what we face has showed itself. As the saying goes...we didn't get here overnight, and we won't get out of it in the same time frame.
     
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    Ask the average conservative American, or any American for that matter, what they would do if they were trying to attract better quality people to join the military,

    and I guarantee you, very high on almost everyone's list would be

    better pay and benefits.

    Unless you don't believe that the quality of the people who work in the rest of the public sector matters,

    for example, police, firefighters, teachers...

    ...how can you not believe in the same principle?
     
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    WHY bring the Military into this? Can you answer? The Military are far removed from the topic

    SPIN. The Government is CHARGED with defending this Republic....

    Your spin is NOT germain.
     
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    It's true that we can try to do this incrementally--no need to rip the bandage of in one quick pull. But I think this is already being done. Even the GOP's proposed budget won't completely eliminate the deficit. Sooner or later, people are going to have to make adjustments. It's going to be hard--that's just life.

    I'm kind of irritated at public "servants" because many of them seem to think they're the boss of me just because they work for the government. In a democracy, ultimately the people rule. Citizens and government employees are on an equal level.
     
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    Are you saying the military has the pay, (they do have the benefits if they get vested and how long does that commitment last?), that your other examples do?
     
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    I would want high-quality people working for the government, just as a successful business would want high-quality people working for them. But there is a point where you're not paying people enough, and there is a point where you're paying people too much--there's a balance to everything. And right now, public employees get a pretty sweet deal with all the benefits they get.

    Another important thing to keep in mind that while money doesn't hurt, no amount of money can guarantee high-quality work. The people in charge of hiring still have to be smart.
     
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    b. This is an opportunity to show these workers the benefits of conservartive behavior...and we should not behave impulsively as the other side has

    this is true p.c. clint eastwood said that "we are conservative by nature"
    something to the effect of drama and glittery productions of banal events.
     
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    Same tired old argument from the left: Using the military, teachers, fire and police as weapons. Fine, keep them. We all (should) respect them. Get rid of the fucking bureaucrats..... cut the dross out of the public sector.
     
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    i had to look up dross, since i'm not a chemist. do the people in the union like being in the union?
     

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