Why not Arrest Sanctuary Jurisdictions When an interstate felony results?

[OKTexas]

There have been numerous interstate murders by illegals released by sanctuary jurisdictions why not try them in the state where the murder happened so they can serve state and federal time. Other felonies abound so, why not break the back of the Ds?

Specifically, what would they be charged with? Or are you suggesting incarceration without charges al la gitmo. Think very hard before you say you want to go down that road. If it can be done to others today for some specious nonsense, it can be done to you tomorrow for some other specious nonsense.

I can think of several laws that would apply, reckless endangerment, conspiracy to harbor illegal aliens and maleficence in office. I'm sure a bright prosecutor could come up with more.

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If it requires a "bright" prosecutor then it requires trickery and alternative approaches. See what I mean about "the law" in america? It is only a point from which to launch duplicity. It resolves nothing in american society. "The law" in this euro conqueror perceptual reality is an instrument of colonial extraction of the rights and property of others, or as we see in this case, whether a human being is even "legal" to exist.

No it only requires someone with a greater knowledge of laws than I have. Liability can come in many forms, no trickery required, especially when you are enabling people who are already in violation of the law.

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[Rigby5]

At least tie up the leaders of those sanctuary states/cities in hundreds of lawsuits for the rest of their lives. That way they get to lose everything they own and go through hell in the process.

That's a trick the left is particularly fond of.

States and municipalities have no legal obligation to enforce federal immigration law.

Actually it is a violation of individual rights for states or municipalities to attempt to enforce federal immigration law.

 

[Rigby5]

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Back to guns, if someone breaks the law by carrying out a "straw purchase" of a firearm for an ineligible person, and that ineligible person commits a crime with that gun, both the shooter and the purchaser can be charged. In other words, the purchaser enabled the shooter to carry out the shooting. He or she made it possible for them to shoot someone, and broke an existing law in the process.

In the same respect, sanctuary cities, states, and those who enact or reinforce those sanctuary policies, should be held criminally and civilly liable when those people they protect commit murders, rapes, assaults, or other crimes. They are in effect enabling those criminal illegals to commit their crimes, and there is no plausible deniability as with firearms manufacturers.

It is impossible to prove a straw purchase because there is no way to document intent.

Sanctuary cities are just upholding the law.
It is illegal for any state or municipality to try to enforce federal immigration laws in ANY way at all.
They legally can not even ask immigration status or do any sort of check.
To do so would be to discriminate against the privacy and rights that citizens and all individuals are supposed to have.

 

[OKTexas]

At least tie up the leaders of those sanctuary states/cities in hundreds of lawsuits for the rest of their lives. That way they get to lose everything they own and go through hell in the process.

That's a trick the left is particularly fond of.

States and municipalities have no legal obligation to enforce federal immigration law.

Actually it is a violation of individual rights for states or municipalities to attempt to enforce federal immigration law.

ROFLMAO, providing information about an illegal criminal isn't a violation of their rights. Where do you freaks come up with this shit?

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[basquebromance]

to say that all cultures are the same cheapens the excellence that is america!

 

[Kondor3]

Send them to jail.

Absent due process, of course – it’s the conservative way.

Generally speaking, Conservatives tend to observe due process themselves.

However, in the interests of ensuring due process...

Time to issue a Federal arrest warrant for former California governor Jerry Brown...

On a charge of conspiracy to...

1. obstruct justice

2. impede Federal officers in the performance of their duties

3. circumvent US immigration law​

Then to drop a hint to both the present governor and those in the legislature who voted for Sanctuary status...

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Malfeasance Of Office Depriving Citizens Of Protection "

* Defenders Of Invasion *

It is impossible to prove a straw purchase because there is no way to document intent.
Sanctuary cities are just upholding the law.
It is illegal for any state or municipality to try to enforce federal immigration laws in ANY way at all.
They legally can not even ask immigration status or do any sort of check.
To do so would be to discriminate against the privacy and rights that citizens and all individuals are supposed to have.

When an individual walks into a hospital for treatment and a medicaid claim is filed , it better be filed on behalf of a legitimate citizen , else deport upon identification .

The affordable care act double the premiums of the average insured , with a mandate for those between 0% and 400% of the poverty line , and most likely not to have insurance and therefore to likely qualify for a medicaid claim , to somewhat pay their own way , so that the burden of medical costs on the national debt could be reduced ; but , we are getting nowhere !

When an arrest occurs , it is legitimate to verify identity , but sanctuary states do not allow that either .

According to us 14th amendment , at birth and subject to jurisdiction ( subject to contract ) , one is a citizen of the state where one was born and a citizen of the united states ; such that , states can very well deport non citizens of their states - preferably to the district of columbia !

 

[Rigby5]

At least tie up the leaders of those sanctuary states/cities in hundreds of lawsuits for the rest of their lives. That way they get to lose everything they own and go through hell in the process.

That's a trick the left is particularly fond of.

States and municipalities have no legal obligation to enforce federal immigration law.

Actually it is a violation of individual rights for states or municipalities to attempt to enforce federal immigration law.

ROFLMAO, providing information about an illegal criminal isn't a violation of their rights. Where do you freaks come up with this shit?

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How are you going to be able to tell who is an illegal alien without violating the law with an illegal ID check or universal database?
Only federal agents have the authority to even ask if someone is an noncitizen or not. And even that is not clearly legal?
Citizenship status is private information as far as state and municipal agents are concerned, or else you would be opening up the door to illegal discrimination against non-citizens.

 

[dcbl]

There have been numerous interstate murders by illegals released by sanctuary jurisdictions why not try them in the state where the murder happened so they can serve state and federal time. Other felonies abound so, why not break the back of the Ds?

great idea conceptually, too bad we can't really do it

 

[Rigby5]

" Malfeasance Of Office Depriving Citizens Of Protection "

* Defenders Of Invasion *

It is impossible to prove a straw purchase because there is no way to document intent.
Sanctuary cities are just upholding the law.
It is illegal for any state or municipality to try to enforce federal immigration laws in ANY way at all.
They legally can not even ask immigration status or do any sort of check.
To do so would be to discriminate against the privacy and rights that citizens and all individuals are supposed to have.

When an individual walks into a hospital for treatment and a medicaid claim is filed , it better be filed on behalf of a legitimate citizen , else deport upon identification .

The affordable care act double the premiums of the average insured , with a mandate for those between 0% and 400% of the poverty line , and most likely not to have insurance and therefore to likely qualify for a medicaid claim , to somewhat pay their own way , so that the burden of medical costs on the national debt could be reduced ; but , we are getting nowhere !

When an arrest occurs , it is legitimate to verify identity , but sanctuary states do not allow that either .

According to us 14th amendment , at birth and subject to jurisdiction ( subject to contract ) , one is a citizen of the state where one was born and a citizen of the united states ; such that , states can very well deport non citizens of their states - preferably to the district of columbia !

None of that is remotely true.
Hospitals do not and legally can not ask citizenship questions at all.
They are required to treat all emergency cases.
When and if a Medicaid form is being submitted, there is no need for the person to be a citizen if it is an emergency.

https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/o...ity-for-non-citizens-in-medicaid-and-chip.pdf

Nor can ICE deport on their own. Only a judge can decide that. There are dozens of exceptions exemptions.

And no, the affordable care act cut premiums to the average insured in half. I used to pay over $1200/month, then and with affordable care act it went down to $600 for my family. And I am way above poverty line, so was not getting lots of subsidies.

When a state or local arrest happens, it is ILLEGAL to even inquire about immigration status, as that would clearly be prejudicial.
And NO, states most certainly are absolutely prevented from ever deporting anyone.

 

[danielpalos]

There have been numerous interstate murders by illegals released by sanctuary jurisdictions why not try them in the state where the murder happened so they can serve state and federal time. Other felonies abound so, why not break the back of the Ds?

first degrees should go first.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Stupid Is As Stupid Allows "

* Propositional Nonsense *

Alien without violating the law with an illegal ID check or universal database?
Only federal agents have the authority to even ask if someone is an noncitizen or not. And even that is not clearly legal?
Citizenship status is private information as far as state and municipal agents are concerned, or else you would be opening up the door to illegal discrimination against non-citizens.

Requiring valid identification for services or arrest processing does not violate constitutional protections .

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yup the claim cops can not ask for ID is as stupid as it gets, the idea that Hospitals can not ask for Id is up there too and YES they require LEGAL VALID ID.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Abating Entitlement Claims Of Vagrants And Squatters "

* Delusional Expectations *

None of that is remotely true.
Hospitals do not and legally can not ask citizenship questions at all.
They are required to treat all emergency cases.
When and if a Medicaid form is being submitted, there is no need for the person to be a citizen if it is an emergency. https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/o...ity-for-non-citizens-in-medicaid-and-chip.pdf
Nor can ICE deport on their own. Only a judge can decide that. There are dozens of exceptions exemptions.

Hospitals can treat them , and if hospitals want to get compensated by medicaid for their services they will report the identity and legal status of the patient before they are released .

* Not True For All *

And no, the affordable care act cut premiums to the average insured in half. I used to pay over $1200/month, then and with affordable care act it went down to $600 for my family. And I am way above poverty line, so was not getting lots of subsidies.

* Selling Tripe

When a state or local arrest happens, it is ILLEGAL to even inquire about immigration status, as that would clearly be prejudicial.

That is one of the most idiotic statements and pretenses i have ever read .

* Generosity With Other Peoples Money *

And NO, states most certainly are absolutely prevented from ever deporting anyone.

States can deport anyone that is not a citizen of their state and they should deport illegals preferably to the welfare lines of your state where they can siphon funds for their social welfare from the appraisal district collecting your taxes .

* AOC And The Ruse *

Raza Unida Party - Wikipedia

 

[Bob Blaylock]

There have been numerous interstate murders by illegals released by sanctuary jurisdictions why not try them in the state where the murder happened so they can serve state and federal time. Other felonies abound so, why not break the back of the Ds?

Agree...under 8 U.S.C 1324 all of the treasonous pieces of shits should pay.

See also: Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution. It's a capital crime; put these treasonous pieces of shit to death.

 

[OKTexas]

At least tie up the leaders of those sanctuary states/cities in hundreds of lawsuits for the rest of their lives. That way they get to lose everything they own and go through hell in the process.

That's a trick the left is particularly fond of.

States and municipalities have no legal obligation to enforce federal immigration law.

Actually it is a violation of individual rights for states or municipalities to attempt to enforce federal immigration law.

ROFLMAO, providing information about an illegal criminal isn't a violation of their rights. Where do you freaks come up with this shit?

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How are you going to be able to tell who is an illegal alien without violating the law with an illegal ID check or universal database?
Only federal agents have the authority to even ask if someone is an noncitizen or not. And even that is not clearly legal?
Citizenship status is private information as far as state and municipal agents are concerned, or else you would be opening up the door to illegal discrimination against non-citizens.

Why don't you review US v. AZ and get back to me on that. It's not my job to educate you.

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[Rigby5]

" Stupid Is As Stupid Allows "

* Propositional Nonsense *

Alien without violating the law with an illegal ID check or universal database?
Only federal agents have the authority to even ask if someone is an noncitizen or not. And even that is not clearly legal?
Citizenship status is private information as far as state and municipal agents are concerned, or else you would be opening up the door to illegal discrimination against non-citizens.

Requiring valid identification for services or arrest processing does not violate constitutional protections .

Yes it does.
You can demand ID for drivers because they agree to it when they accept the license.
But it is illegal to demand an ID from anyone else, and asking immigration status is a violation of the 14th amendment, which ensures all people are treated equally under the law, while in this country.
The jurisdiction for immigration is enirely federal, so state and municipal authorities simply are not authorized to have anything at all to do with immigration status. That includes even asking about it, much less arresting someone over it.

 

[Rigby5]

" Abating Entitlement Claims Of Vagrants And Squatters "

* Delusional Expectations *

None of that is remotely true.
Hospitals do not and legally can not ask citizenship questions at all.
They are required to treat all emergency cases.
When and if a Medicaid form is being submitted, there is no need for the person to be a citizen if it is an emergency. https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/o...ity-for-non-citizens-in-medicaid-and-chip.pdf
Nor can ICE deport on their own. Only a judge can decide that. There are dozens of exceptions exemptions.

Hospitals can treat them , and if hospitals want to get compensated by medicaid for their services they will report the identity and legal status of the patient before they are released .

* Not True For All *

And no, the affordable care act cut premiums to the average insured in half. I used to pay over $1200/month, then and with affordable care act it went down to $600 for my family. And I am way above poverty line, so was not getting lots of subsidies.

* Selling Tripe

When a state or local arrest happens, it is ILLEGAL to even inquire about immigration status, as that would clearly be prejudicial.

That is one of the most idiotic statements and pretenses i have ever read .

* Generosity With Other Peoples Money *

And NO, states most certainly are absolutely prevented from ever deporting anyone.

States can deport anyone that is not a citizen of their state and they should deport illegals preferably to the welfare lines of your state where they can siphon funds for their social welfare from the appraisal district collecting your taxes .

* AOC And The Ruse *

Raza Unida Party - Wikipedia

That is silly, the first graph only shows that deductibles have risen, not premiums.

The second graph is attributed to Amanda Kowolski, not a member of Associated Press, so not exactly believable, but indicates a rise in premiums from 2013 to 2014, not that premiums were higher after ACA than before ACA. Sure they increased from 2013 to 2014, but are still half of what they were before ACA.

You seem to fail to understand that when the US constitution authorized the federal government to do something, then that does not mean state or local agents can do it.

The US constitution specifcally prevents any state from deporting anyone from their state, and demand free and unencumbered travel, protected by the ICC.

{...
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3, of the Constitution empowers Congress "to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, andamong several States, and with the Indian Tribes." The term commerce as used in the Constitution means business orcommercial exchanges in any and all of its forms between citizens of different states, including purely social communicationsbetween citizens of different states by telegraph, telephone, or radio, and the mere passage of persons from one state toanother for either business or pleasure.

Intrastate, or domestic, commerce is trade that occurs solely within the geographic borders of one state. As it does not moveacross state lines, intrastate commerce is subject to the exclusive control of the state.

Interstate commerce, or commerce among the several states, is the free exchange of commodities between citizens ofdifferent states across state lines. Commerce with foreign nations occurs between citizens of the United States and citizensor subjects of foreign governments and, either immediately or at some stage of its progress, is extraterritorial. Commercewith Indian tribes refers to traffic or commercial exchanges involving both the United States and American Indians.

The Commerce Clause was designed to eliminate an intense rivalry between the groups of those states that had tremendouscommercial advantage as a result of their proximity to a major harbor, and those states that were not near a harbor. Thatdisparity was the source of constant economic battles among the states. The exercise by Congress of its regulatory powerhas increased steadily with the growth and expansion of industry and means of transportation.

Power to Regulate
The Commerce Clause authorizes Congress to regulate commerce in order to ensure that the flow of interstate commerce isfree from local restraints imposed by various states. When Congress deems an aspect of interstate commerce to be in needof supervision, it will enact legislation that must have some real and rational relation to the subject of regulation. Congressmay constitutionally provide for the point at which subjects of interstate commerce become subjects of state law and,therefore, state regulation.
...}

By the way, the word "regulate" in the Constitution means to ensure something is freely and efficiently functioning, without hindrance.

 

[Rigby5]

At least tie up the leaders of those sanctuary states/cities in hundreds of lawsuits for the rest of their lives. That way they get to lose everything they own and go through hell in the process.

That's a trick the left is particularly fond of.

States and municipalities have no legal obligation to enforce federal immigration law.

Actually it is a violation of individual rights for states or municipalities to attempt to enforce federal immigration law.

ROFLMAO, providing information about an illegal criminal isn't a violation of their rights. Where do you freaks come up with this shit?

.

How are you going to be able to tell who is an illegal alien without violating the law with an illegal ID check or universal database?
Only federal agents have the authority to even ask if someone is an noncitizen or not. And even that is not clearly legal?
Citizenship status is private information as far as state and municipal agents are concerned, or else you would be opening up the door to illegal discrimination against non-citizens.

Why don't you review US v. AZ and get back to me on that. It's not my job to educate you.

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{... All justices agreed to uphold the provision of the law allowing Arizona state police to investigate the immigration status of an individual stopped, detained, or arrested if there is reasonable suspicion that individual is in the country illegally. However, Justice Kennedy specified in the majority opinion that state police may not detain the individual for a prolonged amount of time for not carrying immigration documents; and that cases of racial profiling are allowed to proceed through the courts, if such cases happen to arise later on. ...}

So it is still illegal to just investigate immigration status randomly.
You have to have some "reasonable suspicion" first.

 

[Rigby5]

Yup the claim cops can not ask for ID is as stupid as it gets, the idea that Hospitals can not ask for Id is up there too and YES they require LEGAL VALID ID.

Nope. The only reason police can ask drivers for an ID is because drivers agreed to it when they got their license.
Otherwise no one needs an ID ever, and no one can demand to see one. You don't have to have one. And by the way, Social Security cards are illegal to use an an ID.