Cecilie1200
Diamond Member
im not arguing if you have kids, you should not get married
im arguing that something that fails so much, isnt worth doing
and marriage is NOT neccesary
my love for any woman, of your husband or wife, i dont know your gender.
is not any less if you dont make a contract or put a piece of paper, heck common sense would dictate, that men as well as women have realistic view of how any relationship would work, and who would do what.
But to blindly say, men expect this, i actually agree with you, but again, i go back to two simple things, I and anyone, does not need marriage to make a relationship official, and its too messy if it fails, and fails to often, fine three things lol
NoMarriage.com - Why marriage no longer makes sense.
Traditional marriage balances different privileges and obligations for men and women. Modern woman wants all the benefits of "equality" without any of the responsibilities.
Traditional Western culture balanced special privileges for women with special obligations, and the same for men.
Equality states that no one get special privileges, and that responsibilities and rights should be equally shared.
Either system is balanced and fair. The problem with modern Western culture is that many women want only the positives from both systems:
They want special privileges from the traditional system (men paying, being "gentlemen" by using special deferential manners and language to women, being the main breadwinner, etc) but not the old-fashioned obligations (being modest and ladylike, being a housewife, etc).
Bulcrap......I remember a discussion with the boys in college. ALL of them wanted their future wives to work AND take care of the children AND take care of the house. I knew even then it couldn't be done. Marriage is a partnership and someone needs to take care of the kids, I don't care whom. Both are responsible for making sure the family survives. BOTH are equally as responsible.
I've been married 27 years. My parents were married for more than 50, with 4 years off for bad behavior. Everyone of my surviving siblings is still married to their first spouse. Everyone of my nieces and nephew that married are still married to their SAME spouse. Just because you are too lazy to make a marriage work doesn't mean it's not practical. It takes two to have children and it takes two to raise them. A family unit is much stronger than any individual...I don't care who you are.
Maybe marriages aren't failing so much because it isn't worth doing. Maybe they're failing so much because they need to be done right. And what you're suggesting tells me you don't know any more than the people you're excoriating about how to do it right.
Quite frankly, if you're saying, "My love for you isn't dependent on a piece of paper", what I'm hearing is, "I don't love you enough to make a public, legal commitment to you." Sounds to me like a guy who wants to get the milk for free instead of buying the cow.