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Indeed, KK, the welfare of the community often trumps the individual's right to exist. If you don't like this, then move to your own deserted island. When you are invaded by a power stronger than yours (say Zander and Mr. Fitnah and Dr. House and DiamondDave and other evil men like them), do not call on the community to save you. You have made your choice.
You mean other people who are determined to strip your life, liberty, and property? Those people?
You mean like in Vietnam? Fail
You mean like in Korea? Fail
You mean like in Iraq? Fail
You mean like in Afghanistan? Fail
Indeed, KK, the welfare of the community often trumps the individual's right to exist. If you don't like this, then move to your own deserted island. When you are invaded by a power stronger than yours (say Zander and Mr. Fitnah and Dr. House and DiamondDave and other evil men like them), do not call on the community to save you. You have made your choice.
"The welfare of the community often trumps the individual's right to exist."
Does this mean that if the community decided that it was in its best interest to kill an individual that would be alright?
Indeed, KK, the welfare of the community often trumps the individual's right to exist. If you don't like this, then move to your own deserted island. When you are invaded by a power stronger than yours (say Zander and Mr. Fitnah and Dr. House and DiamondDave and other evil men like them), do not call on the community to save you. You have made your choice.
"The welfare of the community often trumps the individual's right to exist."
Does this mean that if the community decided that it was in its best interest to kill an individual that would be alright?
If, for example, The Rabbi were a child torturer, rapist, and murderer, then, yes, he should be executed by the will of the community.
You mean other people who are determined to strip your life, liberty, and property? Those people?
You mean like in Vietnam? Fail
You mean like in Korea? Fail
You mean like in Iraq? Fail
You mean like in Afghanistan? Fail
Vietnam? Communist regime executed enemies, "boat people" fled in droves to U.S and other havens. Country still suffering economically under communist dictatorship.
Korea? North Korean standard of living not much better than in 1955, ruled by corrupt vicious dictator.
Iraq? Iraqi people freed from rule of corrupt vicious dictator who used poison gas against his own people and killed indiscriminately.
Afghanistan? Rule by corrupt vicious Taliban overthrown, women allowed back in schools.
Fail?
No, you fail, ya dumb putz.
Indeed, KK, the welfare of the community often trumps the individual's right to exist. If you don't like this, then move to your own deserted island. When you are invaded by a power stronger than yours (say Zander and Mr. Fitnah and Dr. House and DiamondDave and other evil men like them), do not call on the community to save you. You have made your choice.
"The welfare of the community often trumps the individual's right to exist."
Does this mean that if the community decided that it was in its best interest to kill an individual that would be alright?
If, for example, The Rabbi were a child torturer, rapist, and murderer, then, yes, he should be executed by the will of the community. Move to your island but don't call for help when the forces of evil prey upon you.
You mean like in Vietnam? Fail
You mean like in Korea? Fail
You mean like in Iraq? Fail
You mean like in Afghanistan? Fail
Vietnam? Communist regime executed enemies, "boat people" fled in droves to U.S and other havens. Country still suffering economically under communist dictatorship.
Korea? North Korean standard of living not much better than in 1955, ruled by corrupt vicious dictator.
Iraq? Iraqi people freed from rule of corrupt vicious dictator who used poison gas against his own people and killed indiscriminately.
Afghanistan? Rule by corrupt vicious Taliban overthrown, women allowed back in schools.
Fail?
No, you fail, ya dumb putz.
That those regimes were and are bad is not what was being disputed. The dispute is that they were threats to our life, liberty, and property. Which they were not.
Vietnam? Communist regime executed enemies, "boat people" fled in droves to U.S and other havens. Country still suffering economically under communist dictatorship.
Korea? North Korean standard of living not much better than in 1955, ruled by corrupt vicious dictator.
Iraq? Iraqi people freed from rule of corrupt vicious dictator who used poison gas against his own people and killed indiscriminately.
Afghanistan? Rule by corrupt vicious Taliban overthrown, women allowed back in schools.
Fail?
No, you fail, ya dumb putz.
That those regimes were and are bad is not what was being disputed. The dispute is that they were threats to our life, liberty, and property. Which they were not.
They were certainly threats to life liberty and property. Korea was a proxy war with communism. Ditto with Vietnam. Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism for over 20 years. The Taliban were part of the 9/11 plot, leading directly to the deaths of over 3000 Americans.
Would you rather wait until armed groups of Taliban roamed the streets before asking politely if they'd respect our rights?
"The welfare of the community often trumps the individual's right to exist."
Does this mean that if the community decided that it was in its best interest to kill an individual that would be alright?
If, for example, The Rabbi were a child torturer, rapist, and murderer, then, yes, he should be executed by the will of the community. Move to your island but don't call for help when the forces of evil prey upon you.
If it's only the "welfare" of the community that trumps an individual's right to exist, then it wouldn't necessarily have to be a murderer. If the community decided that somebody they didn't like should be put to death do they have the right to do that?
If, for example, The Rabbi were a child torturer, rapist, and murderer, then, yes, he should be executed by the will of the community. Move to your island but don't call for help when the forces of evil prey upon you.
If it's only the "welfare" of the community that trumps an individual's right to exist, then it wouldn't necessarily have to be a murderer. If the community decided that somebody they didn't like should be put to death do they have the right to do that?
Find the flaw in your syllogism, KK. I did not give the community power willy nilly to put anyone, you or The Rabbi or me, to death. Man is a communal animal. He operates in society. Society must be governed. We have found the best way (as imperfect as it is) will always be representative democracy with minority rights. If you don't like this, go live on an island.
That those regimes were and are bad is not what was being disputed. The dispute is that they were threats to our life, liberty, and property. Which they were not.
They were certainly threats to life liberty and property. Korea was a proxy war with communism. Ditto with Vietnam. Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism for over 20 years. The Taliban were part of the 9/11 plot, leading directly to the deaths of over 3000 Americans.
Would you rather wait until armed groups of Taliban roamed the streets before asking politely if they'd respect our rights?
The dispute was our life, liberty, and property. al-Qaeda was behind 9/11, and most of the people behind that attack were from Saudi Arabia not Afghanistan.
If it's only the "welfare" of the community that trumps an individual's right to exist, then it wouldn't necessarily have to be a murderer. If the community decided that somebody they didn't like should be put to death do they have the right to do that?
Find the flaw in your syllogism, KK. I did not give the community power willy nilly to put anyone, you or The Rabbi or me, to death. Man is a communal animal. He operates in society. Society must be governed. We have found the best way (as imperfect as it is) will always be representative democracy with minority rights. If you don't like this, go live on an island.
The best way to protect the rights of the community is to protect the rights of the individuals in that community. It has nothing to do with wanting to live on an island or wanting nothing to do with society. It's just that we should focus on individual rights, not group rights.
They were certainly threats to life liberty and property. Korea was a proxy war with communism. Ditto with Vietnam. Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism for over 20 years. The Taliban were part of the 9/11 plot, leading directly to the deaths of over 3000 Americans.
Would you rather wait until armed groups of Taliban roamed the streets before asking politely if they'd respect our rights?
The dispute was our life, liberty, and property. al-Qaeda was behind 9/11, and most of the people behind that attack were from Saudi Arabia not Afghanistan.
You're not really claiming that Taliban control over Afghanistan had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, are you?
That would make you the biggest hack on this board. Bigger than JakeStarkey.
Well, OK, maybe not that big. But really really big.
Find the flaw in your syllogism, KK. I did not give the community power willy nilly to put anyone, you or The Rabbi or me, to death. Man is a communal animal. He operates in society. Society must be governed. We have found the best way (as imperfect as it is) will always be representative democracy with minority rights. If you don't like this, go live on an island.
The best way to protect the rights of the community is to protect the rights of the individuals in that community. It has nothing to do with wanting to live on an island or wanting nothing to do with society. It's just that we should focus on individual rights, not group rights.
Now you are being silly. Go read the Bill of Rights again, please.
Vietnam? Communist regime executed enemies, "boat people" fled in droves to U.S and other havens. Country still suffering economically under communist dictatorship.
Korea? North Korean standard of living not much better than in 1955, ruled by corrupt vicious dictator.
Iraq? Iraqi people freed from rule of corrupt vicious dictator who used poison gas against his own people and killed indiscriminately.
Afghanistan? Rule by corrupt vicious Taliban overthrown, women allowed back in schools.
Fail?
No, you fail, ya dumb putz.
They were certainly threats to life liberty and property. Korea was a proxy war with communism. Ditto with Vietnam. Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism for over 20 years. The Taliban were part of the 9/11 plot, leading directly to the deaths of over 3000 Americans.
Would you rather wait until armed groups of Taliban roamed the streets before asking politely if they'd respect our rights?
It's just that we should focus on individual rights, not group rights.
Vietnam? Communist regime executed enemies, "boat people" fled in droves to U.S and other havens. Country still suffering economically under communist dictatorship.
Korea? North Korean standard of living not much better than in 1955, ruled by corrupt vicious dictator.
Iraq? Iraqi people freed from rule of corrupt vicious dictator who used poison gas against his own people and killed indiscriminately.
Afghanistan? Rule by corrupt vicious Taliban overthrown, women allowed back in schools.
Fail?
No, you fail, ya dumb putz.
No disagreement here on your take on most of those regimes, but please explain to me how any of those actions affected the liberty and freedoms of the American people - especially Vietnam and Korea where conscription was in place...Take your time...
Vietnam? Communist regime executed enemies, "boat people" fled in droves to U.S and other havens. Country still suffering economically under communist dictatorship.
Korea? North Korean standard of living not much better than in 1955, ruled by corrupt vicious dictator.
Iraq? Iraqi people freed from rule of corrupt vicious dictator who used poison gas against his own people and killed indiscriminately.
Afghanistan? Rule by corrupt vicious Taliban overthrown, women allowed back in schools.
Fail?
No, you fail, ya dumb putz.
No disagreement here on your take on most of those regimes, but please explain to me how any of those actions affected the liberty and freedoms of the American people - especially Vietnam and Korea where conscription was in place...Take your time...
About the same way the Soviet Union did, even though they lacked the means to invade and occupy the U.S.
