Why kill JFK?

[CrimsonWhite]

I am posting this here instead of the Conspiracy Theory thread, because I am more interested in the why instead of the who. I ask this because I have seen several specials on JFK lately and this is a question that is rarely posed. Was he killed as retribution for Bay of Pigs? Mafia hit? What was th possible motive. Who stood to gain? So I pose this question:

Why kill JFK?

 

[elvis]

I am posting this here instead of the Conspiracy Theory thread, because I am more interested in the why instead of the who. I ask this because I have seen several specials on JFK lately and this is a question that is rarely posed. Was he killed as retribution for Bay of Pigs? Mafia hit? What was th possible motive. Who stood to gain? So I pose this question:

Why kill JFK?

If you believe Oliver Stone, which I don't, the military industrial complex gained because Kennedy was going to pull the troops out of Vietnam. Johnson reversed this order. It has been debated whether or not Kennedy would have actually pulled out of Vietnam.
The mafia had to have lost a lot of money when their casinos were taken over by Castro. Robert Kennedy's prosecution of gangsters like Sam Giancana could be a motive. Wasn't it rumoured that Jack Ruby was connected to Carlos Marcello from New Orleans, who was connected to Giancana? This theory has been postulated on A&E and I don't know whether or not to believe it.

The fact that Oswald was murdered before he could be brought to trial made it seem someone was trying to shut him up. How was Ruby able to walk up to Oswald in a room full of cops and shoot him?
Then there's the Castro theory. Kennedy, allegedly, was trying to have Castro murdered the entire time he was President. Castro got to Kennedy before Kennedy got to him. In the weeks before Kennedy's death, Castro said the safety of American leaders may be in jeopardy.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

If you believe Oliver Stone, which I don't, the military industrial complex gained because Kennedy was going to pull the troops out of Vietnam. Johnson reversed this order. It has been debated whether or not Kennedy would have actually pulled out of Vietnam.
The mafia had to have lost a lot of money when their casinos were taken over by Castro. Robert Kennedy's prosecution of gangsters like Sam Giancana could be a motive. Wasn't it rumoured that Jack Ruby was connected to Carlos Marcello from New Orleans, who was connected to Giancana? This theory has been postulated on A&E and I don't know whether or not to believe it.

The fact that Oswald was murdered before he could be brought to trial made it seem someone was trying to shut him up. How was Ruby able to walk up to Oswald in a room full of cops and shoot him?
Then there's the Castro theory. Kennedy, allegedly, was trying to have Castro murdered the entire time he was President. Castro got to Kennedy before Kennedy got to him. In the weeks before Kennedy's death, Castro said the safety of American leaders may be in jeopardy.

See, my problem with Oswald is the "why." Oswald was a communist or at least a sympathizer. Kennedy was by no means a communist sympathizer, but it was safe bet that Kennedy was going to withdraw from Vietnam. Cuba was an albatross, invasion would equal nuclear war with Russia. So Cuba was safe. It has been forensically demonstrated that Oswald could have acted alone, but why?

I find it hard to believe it was inside job. The military industrial complex, even as pumped up by eisenhower's warning of such, doesn't seem like a likely suspect. Though it made agreat movie. Besides, Kennedy was going to feed the beast anyway. The Cuban missille crisis proved that a large scale war with the USSR was possible and there was no way that Kennedy was going to get caught with his pants down if the shoe did drop.

So we are back to Oswald and why?

 

[elvis]

See, my problem with Oswald is the "why." Oswald was a communist or at least a sympathizer. Kennedy was by no means a communist sympathizer, but it was safe bet that Kennedy was going to withdraw from Vietnam. Cuba was an albatross, invasion would equal nuclear war with Russia. So Cuba was safe. It has been forensically demonstrated that Oswald could have acted alone, but why?

I find it hard to believe it was inside job. The military industrial complex, even as pumped up by eisenhower's warning of such, doesn't seem like a likely suspect. Though it made agreat movie. Besides, Kennedy was going to feed the beast anyway. The Cuban missille crisis proved that a large scale war with the USSR was possible and there was no way that Kennedy was going to get caught with his pants down if the shoe did drop.

So we are back to Oswald and why?

Destroying a symbol of anti-communism?
If he isn't connected to something bigger, this question is much harder to answer. It's like why shoot Lennon? I havent read any biographies on Oswald and I don't know which ones are credible. Was he insane? Did he have self esteem issues? What was his upbringing like? I don't know any of these things.

 

[Luissa]

I am posting this here instead of the Conspiracy Theory thread, because I am more interested in the why instead of the who. I ask this because I have seen several specials on JFK lately and this is a question that is rarely posed. Was he killed as retribution for Bay of Pigs? Mafia hit? What was th possible motive. Who stood to gain? So I pose this question:

Why kill JFK?

I heard one where is father got the unions backed by the mob to get him elected and then made him appoint his brother attorney general. Robert then went after the mob families which pissed them off so they hired Oswald to shoot him then had Ruby kill him to cover it up. They also had a picture of Ruby having lunch with a mob captian a week before Oswald shot JFK. It seems possible but who really knows.
They also said Johnson gave someone the thumbs up on the plane when they were flying his body home.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

Destroying a symbol of anti-communism?
If he isn't connected to something bigger, this question is much harder to answer. It's like why shoot Lennon? I havent read any biographies on Oswald and I don't know which ones are credible. Was he insane? Did he have self esteem issues? What was his upbringing like? I don't know any of these things.

The point I was reaching for is that LBJ was much more likely to attack communism than JFK. Oswald actually hurt the communist cause much more than he would had he left JFK in place. Just like Boothe.

As for his upbringing, nothing suggests that psychological factors played a role. After all, would a crazy man yell "I'm a patsy." Sirhan never claimed innocence. Hinkley didn't either. The crazy ones confess, the sane ones look for an escape. Oswald looked for a way out with his "I"m a patsy" declaration.

As for info on Oswald, pretty good sources:

Lee Harvey Oswald -- Lone Assassin or Patsy?

Lee Harvey Oswald

 

[CrimsonWhite]

I heard one where is father got the unions backed by the mob to get him elected and then made him appoint his brother attorney general. Robert then went after the mob families which pissed them off so they hired Oswald to shoot him then had Ruby kill him to cover it up. They also had a picture of Ruby having lunch with a mob captian a week before Oswald shot JFK. It seems possible but who really knows.
They also said Johnson gave someone the thumbs up on the plane when they were flying his body home.

Plausible. But a mob hit on a President? Most mob hits are known to be done by the mob. That is the purpose. To instill fear of the mob. Tha is what leads me away from this one. But plausible nontheless. Kudos.

 

[Luissa]

Plausible. But a mob hit on a President? Most mob hits are known to be done by the mob. That is the purpose. To instill fear of the mob. Tha is what leads me away from this one. But plausible nontheless. Kudos.

But wasn't he considered somewhat part of the mob or had mob ties! I think RObert had just took down some mob boss or was about to. I think the documentary was on A&E. I will try to find a link or something.
I don't think it was over communism!

This doesn't really prove anything but it has names of book, docmentaries, and links to websites regarding JFK assisnation!
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/faq.txt

 

[MasterChief]

Plausible. But a mob hit on a President? Most mob hits are known to be done by the mob. That is the purpose. To instill fear of the mob.

CW,
Don't forget that during the war [WWII] Lucky Luciano aided the feds by protecting New York from Nazi sabotage. Hitler did send some guys to New York and Lucky sent them back to Berlin in a box. Hitler never tired to sabotage New York harbor again.
When Fidel took over Cuba, the mob lost something close to 2 billion dollars and that is US dollars in 1959 value, and that's enough money to have anyone killed--even the Pope. It was a direct order from JFK which receded the air cover at the Bay of Pigs and left those guys on the beach to die. The mob and the exiled Cubans never forgave JFK for that. Revenge is often the motivation behind many assassinations.

 

[dilloduck]

CW,
Don't forget that during the war [WWII] Lucky Luciano aided the feds by protecting New York from Nazi sabotage. Hitler did send some guys to New York and Lucky sent them back to Berlin in a box. Hitler never tired to sabotage New York harbor again.
When Fidel took over Cuba, the mob lost something close to 2 billion dollars and that is US dollars in 1959 value, and that's enough money to have anyone killed--even the Pope. It was a direct order from JFK which receded the air cover at the Bay of Pigs and left those guys on the beach to die. The mob and the exiled Cubans never forgave JFK for that. Revenge is often the motivation behind many assassinations.

agreed---the thugs RFK put together to take out Castro backfired. I think Oswald WAS the patsy he claimed to be and he was plan A and thinking he had back up. Oswald was easy to manipulate.

 

[Modbert]

The Mob has more then enough reason and I consider myself a expert on the Mob too but it wasn't them.

It's not their style, and with all the rats who have come out of the mob over the years we would of heard something by now.

I'm more prone to believe it was the U.S Gov't or specifically the CIA after Bay of Pigs in which Kennedy was going to disban the CIA.

Besides, J Edgar Hoover wouldn't of said anything if he knew. He hated Kennedy's guts and Bobby's guts too.

Something along the lines of this however is the CIA's style.

 

[elvis]

But wasn't he considered somewhat part of the mob or had mob ties! I think RObert had just took down some mob boss or was about to. I think the documentary was on A&E. I will try to find a link or something.
I don't think it was over communism!

This doesn't really prove anything but it has names of book, docmentaries, and links to websites regarding JFK assisnation!
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/faq.txt

I believe the official story said Oswald was a dye-in-the-wool communist. And also that he was confused, "Lone Nut"

 

[Silence]

this is above my pay grade

 

[dilloduck]

I believe the official story said Oswald was a dye-in-the-wool communist. And also that he was confused, "Lone Nut"

Why do you think he declared himslef to be a "patsy" ? It was his big chance to make a statement that the press could pass on. I saw it as a very odd statement to come from him at the time.

 

[Anguille]

this is above my pay grade

 

[Sunni Man]

Kennedy was assinated because he was getting ready to strip the Federal Reserve of it's strangle hold on the American people and government.

Just google "JFK and the Federal Reserve" to recieve an education on this subject.

Here is one for a start. JFK Vs The Federal Reserve

 

[dilloduck]

Kennedy was assinated because he was getting ready to strip the Federal Reserve of it's strangle hold on the American people and government.

Just google "JFK and the Federal Reserve" to recieve an education on this subject.

Here is one for a start. JFK Vs The Federal Reserve

Intersting article--thanks

 

[Sunni Man]

Intersting article--thanks

You are welcome!

btw Pull any dollar bills out of your pocket. At the top they will all say "Federal Reserve Note".

That's because the Federal Reserve is a private banking system, and has nothing to do with the U.S. government.

 

[Luissa]

You are welcome!

btw Pull any dollar bills out of your pocket. At the top they will all say "Federal Reserve Note".

That's because the Federal Reserve is a private banking system, and has nothing to do with the U.S. government.

Yeah thanks for the link I love anything on JFK assisnation!

 

[dilloduck]

You are welcome!

btw Pull any dollar bills out of your pocket. At the top they will all say "Federal Reserve Note".

That's because the Federal Reserve is a private banking system, and has nothing to do with the U.S. government.

I think that point is finally getting through to some people. To many of us it was no secret. Our residential financial wizards are donig a pretty good job--kudos to all of you !