Why Isn't This A Death Penalty?

[George Costanza]

An identity thief divests an elderly widower of his entire, life savings by tapping into his bank accounts. Afterwards, the theif brags and laughs about his act to others. He is arrested and charged with identity theft and grand theft.

How about charging him with a capital offense on the theory that the elderly widower could easily have died of heart attack caused by the shock of learning that his life savings had been stolen?

We can open up a whole new world of criminal liability here - capital offenses for what might have happened as a consequence of the bad guy's actions.

There are people who are a ticking time bomb.

Society needs protection from them.

I understand your frustration - I think we all share it to some degree. But while "stopping crime before it happens" is something nice to think about, the price we as a society would pay for doing so would FAR outweigh any benefit gained by actually trying to do it.

How do you know someone is a ticking time bomb? And even if you did, how could you be sure that incarcerating them would prevent anything?

Until someone comes up with a legitimate method for stopping crime before it happens, I'm afraid we are stuck with what we have - which is no police action until a crime is actually in progress or has been committed.

 

[PoliticalChic]

An identity thief divests an elderly widower of his entire, life savings by tapping into his bank accounts. Afterwards, the theif brags and laughs about his act to others. He is arrested and charged with identity theft and grand theft.

How about charging him with a capital offense on the theory that the elderly widower could easily have died of heart attack caused by the shock of learning that his life savings had been stolen?

We can open up a whole new world of criminal liability here - capital offenses for what might have happened as a consequence of the bad guy's actions.

There are people who are a ticking time bomb.

Society needs protection from them.

I understand your frustration - I think we all share it to some degree. But while "stopping crime before it happens" is something nice to think about, the price we as a society would pay for doing so would FAR outweigh any benefit gained by actually trying to do it.

How do you know someone is a ticking time bomb? And even if you did, how could you be sure that incarcerating them would prevent anything?

Until someone comes up with a legitimate method for stopping crime before it happens, I'm afraid we are stuck with what we have - which is no police action until a crime is actually in progress or has been committed.

"How do you know someone is a ticking time bomb?"
"The suspect suddenly approached Addlespurger and punched him in the head. The teacher fell hard onto a curb as the teen and the others continued walking."


"...no police action until a crime is actually in progress or has been committed."

When a crime such as described in the OP offers the opportunity to look inside an individual...
....looking for the 'root cause' should be way down below making certain that this individual never has the opportunity to do so again.

Never.

 

[George Costanza]

There are people who are a ticking time bomb.

Society needs protection from them.

I understand your frustration - I think we all share it to some degree. But while "stopping crime before it happens" is something nice to think about, the price we as a society would pay for doing so would FAR outweigh any benefit gained by actually trying to do it.

How do you know someone is a ticking time bomb? And even if you did, how could you be sure that incarcerating them would prevent anything?

Until someone comes up with a legitimate method for stopping crime before it happens, I'm afraid we are stuck with what we have - which is no police action until a crime is actually in progress or has been committed.

"How do you know someone is a ticking time bomb?"
"The suspect suddenly approached Addlespurger and punched him in the head. The teacher fell hard onto a curb as the teen and the others continued walking."

That isn't a ticking time bomb - that is an exploding time bomb. I don't think you understand the meaning of the phrase, "ticking time bomb." A ticking time bomb is someone who has the potential for explosive action but it is not apparent from the outside. You suggest we jail people for being "ticking time bombs." I repeat my question - how do you know someone is a ticking time bomb until they actually explode?

"...no police action until a crime is actually in progress or has been committed."

When a crime such as described in the OP offers the opportunity to look inside an individual...
....looking for the 'root cause' should be way down below making certain that this individual never has the opportunity to do so again.

Never.

Your response here makes no sense. All you are saying here is that once someone commits a crime, they should be prevented from ever doing it again. All well and good - but that has nothing to do with the fact that our system only allows police to act once a crime has been committed.

 

[William Joyce]

But while "stopping crime before it happens" is something nice to think about, the price we as a society would pay for doing so would FAR outweigh any benefit gained by actually trying to do it.

How do you know someone is a ticking time bomb? And even if you did, how could you be sure that incarcerating them would prevent anything?

Until someone comes up with a legitimate method for stopping crime before it happens, I'm afraid we are stuck with what we have - which is no police action until a crime is actually in progress or has been committed.

Well, take a look at the video.

As with so many of these random violent attacks, it's a black teenager attacking a white adult.

Why not separate the races? Shit like that would not happen in an all-white society, I guarantee you.

You'd have some wife-beating. Some drunken driving. Some child porn here and there. A few annual murders per state.

But not that.

Separate the races.

We really need to think about it, gang. Or stop pretending we don't understand what's happening "in this crazy world today". Duh. It's race, stupid.

 

[Amelia]

He didn't kill anyone so of course there is no reason to take his life. He does need a kick up the bum though for his appalling behavior.

A kick up the bum?

 

[beagle9]

an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life....

He didn't take a life, therefore his should not be taken.

Outside of that, locking him up 4 ever could be reasonable! He's dangerous to society and I can't imagine him changing!

Depending on his age, he could possibly change in prison after I'd say around ten years served fully, yet only if he ends up in the right program and the right prison where the turn around rate from bad to good is high on these types of individuals. It could be that he would adapt great to prison life, and would rather stay in prison than be out on the street. There is hope due to his age right now, but he needs the proper rehabilitation during his stay in prison, and if he doesn't get that, then I hope that he doesn't get back out for a long time to come. Do the crime, but then be ready to do the time.

It is bad by what these youths are up to these days in this way, but we as a society ruled by the government now, is creating these monsters all because of, so it is what it is.

 

[Moonglow]

HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT SUCKER PUNCHES TEACHER KNOCKING HIM UNCONSCIOUS! - YouTube




1. "PITTSBURGH (AP) -- A teenager who sucker punched a schoolteacher in a downtown alley - an attack caught on surveillance video - apparently picked the victim at random, police and school officials said.

2. The attack happened last Thursday at about 3:30 p.m. The surveillance video, which Pittsburgh police used to make an arrest Tuesday,...

3. ....the 15-year-old suspect walking with several other youths past 50-year-old James Addlespurger.




4. Addlespurger, who teaches English at an arts high school, was walking in the other direction and did not appear to interact with the youths in any way.

5. The suspect suddenly approached Addlespurger and punched him in the head. The teacher fell hard onto a curb as the teen and the others continued walking.

6. ...there's something very terrifying about it," said Pittsburgh Councilman R. Daniel Lavelle, whose district includes downtown. "In the video it appears


he was laughing afterwards,


which is very disturbing."

7. ... taken to a juvenile detention center on a charge of simple assault but was not identified ...




8. City schools spokeswoman Ebony Pugh said the school system can't take any formal action against the suspect because the attack happened off school grounds and after the school day had ended.


9. The suspect attends a school for troubled youths ... there's no evidence the suspect, or his friends, knew Addlespurger or exchanged words with him."
News from The Associated Press




I see no reason for this thug to be allowed to walk the earth.

So kill the youth yourself and show us your Taliban sytle of cultural subjugation.

 

[Moonglow]

He didn't kill anyone so of course there is no reason to take his life. He does need a kick up the bum though for his appalling behavior.

A kick up the bum?

Queens English

 

[Moonglow]

But while "stopping crime before it happens" is something nice to think about, the price we as a society would pay for doing so would FAR outweigh any benefit gained by actually trying to do it.

How do you know someone is a ticking time bomb? And even if you did, how could you be sure that incarcerating them would prevent anything?

Until someone comes up with a legitimate method for stopping crime before it happens, I'm afraid we are stuck with what we have - which is no police action until a crime is actually in progress or has been committed.

Well, take a look at the video.

As with so many of these random violent attacks, it's a black teenager attacking a white adult.

Why not separate the races? Shit like that would not happen in an all-white society, I guarantee you.

You'd have some wife-beating. Some drunken driving. Some child porn here and there. A few annual murders per state.

But not that.

Separate the races.

We really need to think about it, gang. Or stop pretending we don't understand what's happening "in this crazy world today". Duh. It's race, stupid.

What magical white supremacy world has that ever occurred in? Like whites have never been violent against whites.

 

[beagle9]

He didn't kill anyone so of course there is no reason to take his life. He does need a kick up the bum though for his appalling behavior.

A kick up the bum?

Queens English

He needs a little more than a kick up the bum. This cat needs some serious reform in his life, and that means some shock and awe from within the prison system.

 

[beagle9]

But while "stopping crime before it happens" is something nice to think about, the price we as a society would pay for doing so would FAR outweigh any benefit gained by actually trying to do it.

How do you know someone is a ticking time bomb? And even if you did, how could you be sure that incarcerating them would prevent anything?

Until someone comes up with a legitimate method for stopping crime before it happens, I'm afraid we are stuck with what we have - which is no police action until a crime is actually in progress or has been committed.

Well, take a look at the video.

As with so many of these random violent attacks, it's a black teenager attacking a white adult.

Why not separate the races? Shit like that would not happen in an all-white society, I guarantee you.

You'd have some wife-beating. Some drunken driving. Some child porn here and there. A few annual murders per state.

But not that.

Separate the races.

We really need to think about it, gang. Or stop pretending we don't understand what's happening "in this crazy world today". Duh. It's race, stupid.

What magical white supremacy world has that ever occurred in? Like whites have never been violent against whites.

Didnot watch the video, so this cat is black on a white eh ? Hmmm could be racially motivated, and if so then an investigation should make this clear in the charges, where as the charge of a hate crime should be issued along with the other charges that go along with this type of crime.

 

[Bubba]

"I see no reason for this thug to be allowed to walk the earth."

I agree!

absolutely!

but
we have to be careful

I'm thinking back to an incident about 8 or 9 years ago

in San Francisco

a Female art dealer had some guys works on her walls
which conservatives found offensive

they trashed her place

spit on her

and 1 guy sucker punched her!

should that guy be executed for sucker punching the Female art dealer?

(if it helps with your answer she was probably a liberal, probably a feminist)
(and probably voted for Obama)

 

[Moonglow]

Well, take a look at the video.

As with so many of these random violent attacks, it's a black teenager attacking a white adult.

Why not separate the races? Shit like that would not happen in an all-white society, I guarantee you.

You'd have some wife-beating. Some drunken driving. Some child porn here and there. A few annual murders per state.

But not that.

Separate the races.

We really need to think about it, gang. Or stop pretending we don't understand what's happening "in this crazy world today". Duh. It's race, stupid.

What magical white supremacy world has that ever occurred in? Like whites have never been violent against whites.

Didnot watch the video, so this cat is black on a white eh ? Hmmm could be racially motivated, and if so then an investigation should make this clear in the charges, where as the charge of a hate crime should be issued along with the other charges that go along with this type of crime.

If i was that teacher, I would teach that boy what it means to be sucker baseball bat punched.

 

[beagle9]

HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT SUCKER PUNCHES TEACHER KNOCKING HIM UNCONSCIOUS! - YouTube




1. "PITTSBURGH (AP) -- A teenager who sucker punched a schoolteacher in a downtown alley - an attack caught on surveillance video - apparently picked the victim at random, police and school officials said.

2. The attack happened last Thursday at about 3:30 p.m. The surveillance video, which Pittsburgh police used to make an arrest Tuesday,...

3. ....the 15-year-old suspect walking with several other youths past 50-year-old James Addlespurger.




4. Addlespurger, who teaches English at an arts high school, was walking in the other direction and did not appear to interact with the youths in any way.

5. The suspect suddenly approached Addlespurger and punched him in the head. The teacher fell hard onto a curb as the teen and the others continued walking.

6. ...there's something very terrifying about it," said Pittsburgh Councilman R. Daniel Lavelle, whose district includes downtown. "In the video it appears


he was laughing afterwards,


which is very disturbing."

7. ... taken to a juvenile detention center on a charge of simple assault but was not identified ...




8. City schools spokeswoman Ebony Pugh said the school system can't take any formal action against the suspect because the attack happened off school grounds and after the school day had ended.


9. The suspect attends a school for troubled youths ... there's no evidence the suspect, or his friends, knew Addlespurger or exchanged words with him."
News from The Associated Press




I see no reason for this thug to be allowed to walk the earth.

OK, I just watched the video, and now I think that a charge of attempted murder should be levied also against this perp when found in this case. Note the clothing and grouping of these individuals, in which makes them apear as a gang up to no good ( a pack of dogs) roaming around to cause trouble. If I was a person in this group whom didnot want to go to jail for a long long time, because of his idiot friend who did this, I would turn him in quickly as to show that I was not in agreeance with such an act as it took place that evening. This looks serious to me, and these cats are going to jail I garantee it, because they will be caught no doubt. They may as well give themselves up now, and begin the process of ratting on the one who committed the act of attempted murder on this man, whom was just an innocent person/victim that was just walking along minding his own business.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"I see no reason for this thug to be allowed to walk the earth."

I agree!

absolutely!

but
we have to be careful

I'm thinking back to an incident about 8 or 9 years ago

in San Francisco

a Female art dealer had some guys works on her walls
which conservatives found offensive

they trashed her place

spit on her

and 1 guy sucker punched her!

should that guy be executed for sucker punching the Female art dealer?

(if it helps with your answer she was probably a liberal, probably a feminist)
(and probably voted for Obama)

During my existentialist phase, I read "Lafcadio's Adventures, " by Andre Gide.....for no reason, the protagonist commits a senseless crime.

"I see no reason for this thug to be allowed to walk the earth."


Gratuitous, motiveless, profitless., designed to injure a total stranger....

...when I become Empress....that's pretty much the defining characteristic that gets one the death penalty.



....so don't be putting any viruses on the internet, either....



While your description doesn't quite fit my definition.....you could convince me.




I'm considering whether J-waking fits.......

 

[PoliticalChic]

What magical white supremacy world has that ever occurred in? Like whites have never been violent against whites.

Didnot watch the video, so this cat is black on a white eh ? Hmmm could be racially motivated, and if so then an investigation should make this clear in the charges, where as the charge of a hate crime should be issued along with the other charges that go along with this type of crime.

If i was that teacher, I would teach that boy what it means to be sucker baseball bat punched.

See....now drop-draws had a motive.....no death penalty.

You only get...hmmmm....considering all your dumb posts......957 years!
And let that be lesson to you!

 

[Jackson]

The perpetrator of this act should have a record in existence so this addition will be enlightening considering the tape as evidence. This should put him away for a long while as it demonstrated just how dangerous opf a person he is. No one on the street is safe.

The addition of a hate crime would be welcome just to enhance his time behind bars, but I wonder if this fellow exercises any exclusivity in the victims he abuses. He could very well go after anyone who walks.

I cannot say this was attempted murder. If that was the case, he would not have stopped with just one blow.

 

[beagle9]

The perpetrator of this act should have a record in existence so this addition will be enlightening considering the tape as evidence. This should put him away for a long while as it demonstrated just how dangerous opf a person he is. No one on the street is safe.

The addition of a hate crime would be welcome just to enhance his time behind bars, but I wonder if this fellow exercises any exclusivity in the victims he abuses. He could very well go after anyone who walks.

I cannot say this was attempted murder. If that was the case, he would not have stopped with just one blow.

It matters not how many blows he gave, and so I think where it becomes attempted murder, is when he didnot return and/or stop in order to make sure that he didnot kill the man when his head hit that sidewalk as hard as it did. His friends should be charged as accomplices to the crime, in which should be charged whatever is appropriate for them as well, because none of them returned to check on the man to make sure that he didnot suffer a fatal blow in the situation, but instead walked away laughing.

This looks like something you would see happen on the streets of South Africa or within other parts of Africa and/or within these thrid world countries, in which such selfless acts are committed by people, and where no fear of death and/or the killing of the victim is involved to be in regards for the victim by his perps when attacked. Now here we have it on the streets of America, and it could be getting worse and worse maybe.

 

[George Costanza]

and 1 guy sucker punched her!

should that guy be executed for sucker punching the Female art dealer?

No one should ever be executed for sucker punching anyone. The most any prosecutor could ever get out of a vicious, unprovoked, hands-only attack is attempted murder and that would be stretching it horribly, regardless of how bad the attack is.

Attempted murder is not a capital offense. Life, yes. Death penalty - never.

PC is just trolling here, which should be obvious to anyone who reads the OP.

 

[PoliticalChic]

and 1 guy sucker punched her!

should that guy be executed for sucker punching the Female art dealer?

No one should ever be executed for sucker punching anyone. The most any prosecutor could ever get out of a vicious, unprovoked, hands-only attack is attempted murder and that would be stretching it horribly, regardless of how bad the attack is.

Attempted murder is not a capital offense. Life, yes. Death penalty - never.

PC is just trolling here, which should be obvious to anyone who reads the OP.

Sorry, Georgie....I'm totally serious.
No reason for this threat to be walking the earth....

BTW...I don't believe in the electric chair.
I believe in the electric sofa, so we can take six at a time.
And the last meal? A buffet....so we can speed it up.




"No one should ever be executed for sucker punching anyone..."
(Pssst....Georgie....the perp in the vid? I gave him your address...)