Why isnt Florida solar powered?

[Manonthestreet]

RRiiigghhhtttt...dont believe a German newspaper about whats going on in Germany believe this green propaganda piece saying the opposite.

 

[mamooth]

Der Spiegel is essentially a tabloid. If that's what you choose to believe, so be it.

 

[westwall]

Germany gets lots of energy from solar and they don't have the sunny days that parts of the US does.

Then why is solar failing in Germany? State wide the Germans are abandoning renewables. They are grotesquely expensive and useless in winter.


Germany produced a record 23.9 gigawatts of electricity yesterday from thousands of solar photovoltaic systems, according to SMA Solar Technology.

Despite setting yet another solar world record, the collapse of Germany’s solar energy industry seems to be spreading downstream from manufacturers to distributors and installers.

On Friday, Gehrlicher Solar and Conergy, two of Germany’s leading downstream solar power companies, filed for insolvency.

In 2011, Gehrlicher Solar, a wholesale distributor of photovoltaic components that also offers engineering, procurement and construction (EPC) services for solar projects, reported $415 million in revenues.

Meanwhile, the collapse of Conergy comes after two failed efforts to close a new round of investment to support a shift in Conergy’s go-to-market strategy to focus on downstream solar project development and distribution.

Germany's Solar Industry Is Imploding - Forbes



"Germany could face widespread winter blackouts following Angela Merkel's "knee-jerk" decision to decommission the country's nuclear power stations, according to German power grid operators.

The warning from four energy providers came after the German chancellor suggested she agreed with a proposal to shut down all of Germany's 17 nuclear power plants by 2022.

Seven nuclear power stations have been off-grid ever since Merkel announced in the immediate aftermath of the Fukushima disaster a "three-month moratorium" on her controversial decision last year to extend the lives of the plants."




Germany nuclear shutdown by 2022 may mean blackouts, Merkel warned | Environment | theguardian.com

Clearing Up the Facts About Solar In Germany

SPIEGEL: “As is so often the case in winter, all solar panels more or less stopped generating electricity at the same time. To avert power shortages, Germany currently has to import large amounts of electricity generated at nuclear power plants in France and the Czech Republic.”

FACT: During Europe’s extreme cold weather in February 2012, German news reported that Germany actually increased its electricity exports, thanks in part to photovoltaics helping to strengthen grid stability at peak hours. France, in turn, relying on nuclear powered heating, had to import electricity from Germany.

FACT: Germany has been a longtime net electricity exporter. In Summer 2011, the country did need to intermittently import electricity from neighboring countries; however, the cause was not attributed to photovoltaics, but to the nation’s ambitious shutdown of 8 nuclear power plants following the Fukushima disaster. Despite this bold move, Germany again became a net exporter of electricity in October 2011, according to the International Energy Agency’s most recent statistics.

Never let facts get in the way of your political lies, Walleyes.

That's funny olfraud. Your advocacy site posts these facts but the links they provide show something different. Take page 16 of the IEA report for instance, it shows Germany has produced less energy this year (from ALL sources) than last year. The amount of renewables isn't broken down into solar specific so there is NO possible way to tell what percentage of renewable energy came from solar.

In other words your solar advocacy site pulled the "facts" out of their collective asses.

 

[westwall]

Germany gets lots of energy from solar and they don't have the sunny days that parts of the US does.

Then why is solar failing in Germany? State wide the Germans are abandoning renewables. They are grotesquely expensive and useless in winter.


Germany produced a record 23.9 gigawatts of electricity yesterday from thousands of solar photovoltaic systems, according to SMA Solar Technology.

Despite setting yet another solar world record, the collapse of Germany’s solar energy industry seems to be spreading downstream from manufacturers to distributors and installers.

On Friday, Gehrlicher Solar and Conergy, two of Germany’s leading downstream solar power companies, filed for insolvency.

In 2011, Gehrlicher Solar, a wholesale distributor of photovoltaic components that also offers engineering, procurement and construction (EPC) services for solar projects, reported $415 million in revenues.

Meanwhile, the collapse of Conergy comes after two failed efforts to close a new round of investment to support a shift in Conergy’s go-to-market strategy to focus on downstream solar project development and distribution.

Germany's Solar Industry Is Imploding - Forbes



"Germany could face widespread winter blackouts following Angela Merkel's "knee-jerk" decision to decommission the country's nuclear power stations, according to German power grid operators.

The warning from four energy providers came after the German chancellor suggested she agreed with a proposal to shut down all of Germany's 17 nuclear power plants by 2022.

Seven nuclear power stations have been off-grid ever since Merkel announced in the immediate aftermath of the Fukushima disaster a "three-month moratorium" on her controversial decision last year to extend the lives of the plants."




Germany nuclear shutdown by 2022 may mean blackouts, Merkel warned | Environment | theguardian.com

Clearing Up the Facts About Solar In Germany

SPIEGEL: “As is so often the case in winter, all solar panels more or less stopped generating electricity at the same time. To avert power shortages, Germany currently has to import large amounts of electricity generated at nuclear power plants in France and the Czech Republic.”

FACT: During Europe’s extreme cold weather in February 2012, German news reported that Germany actually increased its electricity exports, thanks in part to photovoltaics helping to strengthen grid stability at peak hours. France, in turn, relying on nuclear powered heating, had to import electricity from Germany.

FACT: Germany has been a longtime net electricity exporter. In Summer 2011, the country did need to intermittently import electricity from neighboring countries; however, the cause was not attributed to photovoltaics, but to the nation’s ambitious shutdown of 8 nuclear power plants following the Fukushima disaster. Despite this bold move, Germany again became a net exporter of electricity in October 2011, according to the International Energy Agency’s most recent statistics.

Hmmmmmm......... Looks like solar is doing well in the winter in Germany.

Really? Care to show us the specific line item for solar in your BS chart? Here's a hint buddy.,...there isn't one. This is what you get when you try and go for a specific solar report...

Die Seite wurde nicht gefunden Page not found, in other words. In fact the only good news is being reported by political advocacy groups and their links are all to poll results. Not one iota of real reporting in there. How come? My guess is because it's really not too rosy.

 

[westwall]

Der Spiegel is essentially a tabloid. If that's what you choose to believe, so be it.

Proving yet again that the "admiral" doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.... Here's the wiki entry so even you can understand it!


Der Spiegel

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For the online sibling of Der Spiegel, see Spiegel Online.

Der Spiegel

Der Spiegel front page.jpg
1 May 2004 issue


Editor-in-Chief
Wolfgang Büchner

Categories
News magazine

Frequency
Weekly (on Mondays)

Circulation
1,050,000 / week

Publisher
Spiegel-Verlag

First issue
4 January 1947; 67 years ago

Country
Germany

Language
German

ISSN
0038-7452

Der Spiegel (German pronunciation: [deːɐ ˈʃpiːɡəl], lit. "The Mirror") is a German weekly news magazine published in Hamburg. It is one of Europe's largest publications of its kind, with a weekly circulation of more than one million.[1][2][3]

It was founded in 1947 by John Challenor, a British army officer, and Rudolf Augstein, a former Wehrmacht radio operator who was recognized in 2000 by the International Press Institute as one of the fifty World Press Freedom Heroes.[4] Spiegel Online, the online sibling of Der Spiegel, was launched in 1994 with an independent editorial staff. Typically, the magazine has a content to advertising ratio of 2:1.

Der Spiegel is known in German-speaking countries mostly for its investigative journalism. It has played a key role in uncovering many political scandals such as the Spiegel scandal in 1962 and the Flick affair in the 1980s. According to The Economist, Der Spiegel is one of continental Europe's most influential magazines


Der Spiegel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[jambo101]

It takes about a football field to power a freaking house. Where are you going to put the panels? Over the Everglades? .

From what i've seen and read solar power for a single house isa much more compact affair.
Free Energy 4 Us - Attain Your Own "Energy Indepenence"!!!

 

[mamooth]

Proving yet again that the "admiral" doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.... Here's the wiki entry so even you can understand it!

Poor Westwall. He doesn't seem to get that nothing in his piece gives evidence against the point of how Der Spiegel often behaves as a tabloid. Being "influential" does not preclude being a tabloid. After all, Drudge is influential, so according to Westwall, Drudge isn't a tabloid.

Meanwhile, just do a search on the right terms, and you come up with all kinds of people pointing out Der Spiegel's tabolid tendencies. Here's a couple.

Der Spiegel, Germany?s premier tabloid

Allegations by German tabloid Spiegel | Fr. Z's Blog

Der Spiegel

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Der Speigel)

Jump to: navigation, search

For the online sibling of Der Spiegel, see Spiegel Online.

Der Spiegel

Der Spiegel front page.jpg
1 May 2004 issue


Editor-in-Chief
Wolfgang Büchner

Categories
News magazine

Frequency
Weekly (on Mondays)

Circulation
1,050,000 / week

Publisher
Spiegel-Verlag

First issue
4 January 1947; 67 years ago

Country
Germany

Language
German

ISSN
0038-7452

Der Spiegel (German pronunciation: [deːɐ ˈʃpiːɡəl], lit. "The Mirror") is a German weekly news magazine published in Hamburg. It is one of Europe's largest publications of its kind, with a weekly circulation of more than one million.[1][2][3]

It was founded in 1947 by John Challenor, a British army officer, and Rudolf Augstein, a former Wehrmacht radio operator who was recognized in 2000 by the International Press Institute as one of the fifty World Press Freedom Heroes.[4] Spiegel Online, the online sibling of Der Spiegel, was launched in 1994 with an independent editorial staff. Typically, the magazine has a content to advertising ratio of 2:1.

Der Spiegel is known in German-speaking countries mostly for its investigative journalism. It has played a key role in uncovering many political scandals such as the Spiegel scandal in 1962 and the Flick affair in the 1980s. According to The Economist, Der Spiegel is one of continental Europe's most influential magazines

Der Spiegel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[westwall]

Proving yet again that the "admiral" doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.... Here's the wiki entry so even you can understand it!

Poor Westwall. He doesn't seem to get that nothing in his piece gives evidence against the point of how Der Spiegel often behaves as a tabloid. Being "influential" does not preclude being a tabloid. After all, Drudge is influential, so according to Westwall, Drudge isn't a tabloid.

Meanwhile, just do a search on the right terms, and you come up with all kinds of people pointing out Der Spiegel's tabolid tendencies. Here's a couple.

Der Spiegel, Germany?s premier tabloid

Allegations by German tabloid Spiegel | Fr. Z's Blog

Der Spiegel

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Der Speigel)

Jump to: navigation, search

For the online sibling of Der Spiegel, see Spiegel Online.

Der Spiegel

Der Spiegel front page.jpg
1 May 2004 issue


Editor-in-Chief
Wolfgang Büchner

Categories
News magazine

Frequency
Weekly (on Mondays)

Circulation
1,050,000 / week

Publisher
Spiegel-Verlag

First issue
4 January 1947; 67 years ago

Country
Germany

Language
German

ISSN
0038-7452

Der Spiegel (German pronunciation: [deːɐ ˈʃpiːɡəl], lit. "The Mirror") is a German weekly news magazine published in Hamburg. It is one of Europe's largest publications of its kind, with a weekly circulation of more than one million.[1][2][3]

It was founded in 1947 by John Challenor, a British army officer, and Rudolf Augstein, a former Wehrmacht radio operator who was recognized in 2000 by the International Press Institute as one of the fifty World Press Freedom Heroes.[4] Spiegel Online, the online sibling of Der Spiegel, was launched in 1994 with an independent editorial staff. Typically, the magazine has a content to advertising ratio of 2:1.

Der Spiegel is known in German-speaking countries mostly for its investigative journalism. It has played a key role in uncovering many political scandals such as the Spiegel scandal in 1962 and the Flick affair in the 1980s. According to The Economist, Der Spiegel is one of continental Europe's most influential magazines

Der Spiegel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So.....you post opinions from progressive websites and think those trump declarations made by The Economist... I wonder which source is more credible

 

[Peach]

Stormy weather.

Yes, hail once a week this summer. Lightening 4 out of 5 days.

 

[Peach]

Another big reason for lack of Solar in Florida residential is insurance. You can barely GET home insurance there now because of the hurricane risk.. I doubt Hurricane riders would even cover solar panels. But I don't know that.

You've got a $8K to $15K investment up on roof that may need storm damage maintenance a lot more often than elsewhere -- and it's in the way of doing roof repairs..

Florida IS doing some Solar Thermal concentrators that are integrated with Nat Gas plants. That's a great concept for handling daytime peak WITHOUT having to build a separate FULL TIME generator.

Living 1.4 of a mile from the Little St. Mary's, 6 miles from the St. Mary's, 30 miles to the ocean, and lots of lowland to the south, plus New River..........................does get damp, plus we have thunderstorms from March to November usually.

 

[flacaltenn]

Germany gets lots of energy from solar and they don't have the sunny days that parts of the US does.

Then why is solar failing in Germany? State wide the Germans are abandoning renewables. They are grotesquely expensive and useless in winter.


Germany produced a record 23.9 gigawatts of electricity yesterday from thousands of solar photovoltaic systems, according to SMA Solar Technology.

Despite setting yet another solar world record, the collapse of Germany’s solar energy industry seems to be spreading downstream from manufacturers to distributors and installers.

On Friday, Gehrlicher Solar and Conergy, two of Germany’s leading downstream solar power companies, filed for insolvency.

In 2011, Gehrlicher Solar, a wholesale distributor of photovoltaic components that also offers engineering, procurement and construction (EPC) services for solar projects, reported $415 million in revenues.

Meanwhile, the collapse of Conergy comes after two failed efforts to close a new round of investment to support a shift in Conergy’s go-to-market strategy to focus on downstream solar project development and distribution.

Germany's Solar Industry Is Imploding - Forbes



"Germany could face widespread winter blackouts following Angela Merkel's "knee-jerk" decision to decommission the country's nuclear power stations, according to German power grid operators.

The warning from four energy providers came after the German chancellor suggested she agreed with a proposal to shut down all of Germany's 17 nuclear power plants by 2022.

Seven nuclear power stations have been off-grid ever since Merkel announced in the immediate aftermath of the Fukushima disaster a "three-month moratorium" on her controversial decision last year to extend the lives of the plants."




Germany nuclear shutdown by 2022 may mean blackouts, Merkel warned | Environment | theguardian.com

Clearing Up the Facts About Solar In Germany

SPIEGEL: “As is so often the case in winter, all solar panels more or less stopped generating electricity at the same time. To avert power shortages, Germany currently has to import large amounts of electricity generated at nuclear power plants in France and the Czech Republic.”

FACT: During Europe’s extreme cold weather in February 2012, German news reported that Germany actually increased its electricity exports, thanks in part to photovoltaics helping to strengthen grid stability at peak hours. France, in turn, relying on nuclear powered heating, had to import electricity from Germany.

FACT: Germany has been a longtime net electricity exporter. In Summer 2011, the country did need to intermittently import electricity from neighboring countries; however, the cause was not attributed to photovoltaics, but to the nation’s ambitious shutdown of 8 nuclear power plants following the Fukushima disaster. Despite this bold move, Germany again became a net exporter of electricity in October 2011, according to the International Energy Agency’s most recent statistics.

Never let facts get in the way of your political lies, Walleyes.

Der Spiegel does the journalism and "renewableenergyworld" does the propaganda.. I'll go with the Der Spiegel version of events. I've never found them to be way off.

Nice spin on that "shutdown of nuclear plants".. Fact is wind and solar will NEVER substitute for 24/7/365 reliable sources like nuclear.. And by the time you realize you NEED to borrow power from a neighbor because of passing cloud or wind lull --- it'll be too late to negotiate on an energy market..

Germany ain't selling any "excess" solar power -- no matter how hard the propagandists attempt to lie about it..

 

[flacaltenn]

Der Spiegel is essentially a tabloid. If that's what you choose to believe, so be it.

They don't let you out in the world enough PuddyTat.. The moniker "tabloid" describes a FORMAT in journalism --- NOT content. Especially in Europe where most of the popular periodicals are called tabloids.. Der Spiegel does fine reporting on science and tech issues.

 

[whitehall]

Solar power is not cost effective. The PM of Germany is about to dump the solar and wing energy initiatives because it is costing Germany money rather than saving money. The PM estimates that the current wind/solar initiative would bankrupt Germany by the year 2030.

 

[Politico]

It takes about a football field to power a freaking house. Where are you going to put the panels? Over the Everglades? .

From what i've seen and read solar power for a single house isa much more compact affair.
Free Energy 4 Us - Attain Your Own "Energy Indepenence"!!!

First off that's a hack ad site. With that said I dunno what Whitehall is smoking but I want some.

 

[Carlsen]

With the amount of sun Florida receives why isnt Florida wall to wall solar powered houses? as i drive through the state it seems its the rare house that has solar panels on the roof. If solar is the way to go its going to have to happen/start in places like Florida before it becomes the norm for the rest of the country.

Many house have solar on the roof in Pinellas Florida


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[flacaltenn]

With the amount of sun Florida receives why isnt Florida wall to wall solar powered houses? as i drive through the state it seems its the rare house that has solar panels on the roof. If solar is the way to go its going to have to happen/start in places like Florida before it becomes the norm for the rest of the country.

Many house have solar on the roof in Pinellas Florida


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Solar THERMAL or Solar Photovoltaic?? Because solar thermal is probably a good idea if you have a pool or hot tub..

Hard to run air-conditioning on a medium sized house in Florida with solar PV AND charge your golfcart..

 

[Shrimpbox]

Energy is such a cash cow here is my question. If Germany is exporting so much energy, why isn't everyone jumping on the band wagon to increase these exports and make more money? Why isn't anyone talking about exporting more energy since we have so much extra? Maybe because we aren't getting the whole truth.

 

[flacaltenn]

Energy is such a cash cow here is my question. If Germany is exporting so much energy, why isn't everyone jumping on the band wagon to increase these exports and make more money? Why isn't anyone talking about exporting more energy since we have so much extra? Maybe because we aren't getting the whole truth.

Germany isn't exporting any REGULAR PERCENTAGE of their electricity. Their policies have made electricity RARE and EXPENSIVE as shown in their power bills.

You are right about not getting the whole message because propaganda pros use the fact that solar and/or wind OVERPRODUCES on a very few days for a very few hours and COULD be exported if there was an instant spot market that could react in a couple of hours.

The rest of time solar and wind reguarly UNDERproduce due to weather and nighttime. It's hard to capitalize on commodities that are not predictable and reliable. A city can't contract for wind or solar even a few days in advance. So no one is really getting energy rich selling excess solar and wind..

 

[elektra]

Germany is increasing use of Coal, dramatically.

 

[bripat9643]

The southwest that has better regulations for solar is increasing very fast. Florida's problem is the regulations are against it.

You mean the government doesn't force people to buy solar? That's the only way your pet solution is economically viable, isn't it?