CDZ Why is the rest of the world a $hithole?

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    Sounds ridiculous.

    It is simple economics really. The people coming here are, as they always have, simply looking for a better opportunity.
     
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    So where do you think we are headed? I see at least four plausible models:

    1. Fortress America

    2. Chinese-style collectivism

    3. Muslim theocracy

    4. Collapse of Centralized Authority/Return to Dark Ages

    I would add European socialism, but that is already on the way to joining Soviet communism on the trash heap of history.
     
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    Why does the rest of the world want to leave their homes and move here?

    They don't. What gave you that idea?
     
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    Unlike you, I form my own ideas.
     
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    A line edit would be less painful than a simple dismissal. Can you speak at all to why, rather than attempt to in some form "fix" their native economies, refugees flood north in their millions to the so-called First World? If your answer is "because the evil post imperialist First World Western powers oppressed them into economic dissolution" then I am calling knee jerk Marxian "we must overcome" ideologue response.

    I am no stranger to the Third World plight. I first went on a mission trip with the Church as a teen back in the mid-80's. Not much has changed in those places, economically, since. Why is that? Are you implying that certain peoples in certain places are doomed to an eternity of wallowing in Third World hell? Can they never be capable of fixing their homelands? Should they even try? Or, in your opinion, is it all the fault of evil capitalism?
     
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    I believe that America is first heading to a real shooting revolution attempt driven there as we speak by the fear on the radical American Left of losing the ideological and cultural/social ground they've gained in their six plus decades running non-shooting cultural revolution. Their success or failure in their violent revolution attempt will determine the direction of any next great or terrible new era of American history.

    A very unpopular opinion I hold, is that Russia can be an ally of our America in so far as in the context of in our fight against cultural replacement of the West. However, Russia--being in "it" for herself--could just as easily turn on the US like a wounded Bear. Still, I think the US and Russia need each other more right now than say, the US and Europe. Of course, Europe needs us now more than ever to aid in repelling the current cultural invasion. How unfortunate for them.

    Fortress America, at least physically realized in our own geographical space-- as opposed to economically and globally strategic, seems to be the answer, and yet we have all too well seen in recent enough history the perils of isolationism, and its consequences. But, if it comes down to us or them, US must carry the day every time.
     
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    It is absolutely the fault of evil capitalism. Whenever a Latin American country, or any country for that matter, attempts to reorganize there socioeconomic reality in a way that threatens US capital penetration in the country, the US acts to prevent it. The list is long, I will provide it if you wish.

    What ideological reason drives people away from their families and homes at the risk of their life and life savings?
     
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    Those who disseminate the ideologies plant the seeds of their eventual exodus. The ideology is one born both out of a need for revenge against the West, and out of the inculcated idea that those people can only fail, unless they run away to the north to the shining palace on the Hill that is America, where all of their dreams can come true. What better way for Third World authoritarians to excise and expel the subversive or rebel segments of their citizenry?

    What you're also missing, in solely blaming Evil America, is the driving "economic" ideology of narco-terrorism, and the exportation of radical Islam. Human mules make perfect economic and ideological missionaries for export and seeding of narcotics and the sex-trafficking trade. Harbingers of radicalized Islam also see and find great value in using their peoples as ideology "bombs" against the West, in exporting their form of cultural warfare, and as we have seen in the plethora of recent and near recent terror attacks, their export business is booming and their radical ideology is taking hold across the West.

    I will cede that we the US of A have meddled to the sometimes detrimental effect of Third World peoples through their government. I can also illustrate how US military advisors have risked life and limb for nearly sixty years to do their damnedest to actually help such peoples in such places. US Administrations come and go every 4-8 years, and the policies of each are hacked up in their intent by mid-term elections, House and Senate Majorities, endless political infighting and the great antithesis to aiding the Third World, which is the UN and WHO.

    Finally, you can also thank sincerely your inspirational Marx for deriving the ideologies which drove the French Revolution into a "sleeker" easier to swallow intellectual form, disseminated over many evenings to young Lenin who in turn founded an Empire which would in the future force the hands of US military advisors, intelligence agencies and Executive administrations into militarizing their efforts to aid Third World nations as a necessary evil to repelling Russian, Cuban and Chinese subversive military units operating within the same borders. Cause and Effect.

    So which ideology was the cause, which one the effect? Virus and anti-virus? American Constitutional Economic Theory, or Marxist-Leninist ideology?
     
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    This is exactly the argument made by Latin American dictators to keep their people in bondage.
     
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    The warmer countries and regions tend to be the shitholes.

    Could it be all climate related?
     
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