***WHY***is socialized medicine the ONLY answer to Health Care Reform?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Contumacious]

When all you have is a hammer...

......and a sickle.

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[Wry Catcher]

Lowering the Cost of Health Care

by Ron Paul


As a medical doctor, I’ve seen first-hand how bureaucratic red tape interferes with the doctor-patient relationship and drives costs higher. The current system of third-party payers takes decision-making away from doctors, leaving patients feeling rushed and worsening the quality of care. Yet health insurance premiums and drug costs keep rising. Clearly a new approach is needed. Congress needs to craft innovative legislation that makes health care more affordable without raising taxes or increasing the deficit. It also needs to repeal bad laws that keep health care costs higher than necessary.

We should remember that HMOs did not arise because of free-market demand, but rather because of government mandates. The HMO Act of 1973 requires all but the smallest employers to offer their employees HMO coverage, and the tax code allows businesses – but not individuals – to deduct the cost of health insurance premiums. The result is the illogical coupling of employment and health insurance, which often leaves the unemployed without needed catastrophic coverage.

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Did you read the quote from Ron Paul? If so, maybe you need to read it again and again so maybe you understand it. Remember, the HMO Act of 1973 was a Nixon/Republican policy change and health insurance by individuals was a deduction until Reagan 'fixed' the income tax.
Red tape does not equate to the government, though that is where the term originated. Insurance companies too employ red tape, as an internal policy to limit, delay and deny payments. Remember, Insurance companies are in business, government is not.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Lies and stupidity.

Is this really all the right has left?

NO ONE has proposed socilaized medicine

No one has, that is corrrect; but, the R's have only an appeal to emotions as a defense for their support of the insurance industry and there is no tool better than red baiting and the use of emotion laden words: "Socialism" "Communism" "Marxism"; be scared America, be very very scared.
The fact is half of all Americans are of below average intelligence, and the side with double digit IQ's is dominated by the non-wealthy working American who calls him/herself a conservative.

 

[Contumacious]

Socialized medicine is the only answer for Democrats because it's the only way they can take control of 1/6 of the U.S. economy. They want control, let's be honest, this isn't about health care, it's about giving government as much control as they possibly can.

Rick

Bingo.

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[Contumacious]

This administration is a one-trick pony.

They have an agenda - to satisfy the marxists and capture the parasitic vote.

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He's not a marxist and they already have the black and illegal votes.

If it looks like a duck.......

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[Truthmatters]

They refuse to accept facts and continue to spew LIES.

You cant run a country while embracing lies folks.

LEARN to use facts and truths instead of just making shit up.

NO ONE HAS proposed socialized medicine.

If you insist on saying this pull up a quote of ANYONE proposing socialized medicine.

 

[Tom Clancy]

Lies and stupidity.

Is this really all the right has left?

NO ONE has proposed socilaized medicine

socialized medicine - Wiktionary

define:Socialized medicine - Google Search

 

[Tom Clancy]

They refuse to accept facts and continue to spew LIES.

You cant run a country while embracing lies folks.

LEARN to use facts and truths instead of just making shit up.

NO ONE HAS proposed socialized medicine.

If you insist on saying this pull up a quote of ANYONE proposing socialized medicine.

TM, sometimes I wonder how you stupid can you be?

But post after post you just come out as a bigger idiot than ever before..


You make the Democrat Party sound like it's the Party of Truth, No lies, but you're actually very very wrong.

 

[Contumacious]

Remember, the HMO Act of 1973 was a Nixon/Republican policy change and health insurance by individuals was a deduction until Reagan 'fixed' the income tax..

"HMO’s are part of the legacy of price and wage controls supported by "conservative" president Richard Nixon who supported them (among other ill-conceived reasons) as a means for controlling health care costs. The high costs of the early seventies were not produced by free market health care, but by the ever expanding government giveaways of Medicare and Medicaid which removed individuals from the process of making health care transactions and created a situation where third parties (i.e. government) were making the payments to health care providers. You can imagine that in a system where the consumer of health services is responsible for none of the costs, a little excess demand might result. And that was indeed the result. No longer restrained by paying for health care, patients ended up in the doctor’s office for every stubbed toe and every bloody nose resulting in spiraling health care costs due to such massively inflated demand. "

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[Truthmatters]

Lies and stupidity.

Is this really all the right has left?

NO ONE has proposed socilaized medicine

socialized medicine - Wiktionary

define:Socialized medicine - Google Search

No one has proposed government run healthcare you fool

 

[Tom Clancy]

Lies and stupidity.

Is this really all the right has left?

NO ONE has proposed socilaized medicine

socialized medicine - Wiktionary

define:Socialized medicine - Google Search

No one has proposed government run healthcare you fool

Are you THAT dumb?

I feel violated..

 

[Contumacious]

Lies and stupidity.

Is this really all the right has left?

NO ONE has proposed socilaized medicine

socialized medicine - Wiktionary

define:Socialized medicine - Google Search

No one has proposed government run healthcare you fool

What?

Are you a stand up comedian?

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[Tom Clancy]

socialized medicine - Wiktionary

define:Socialized medicine - Google Search

No one has proposed government run healthcare you fool

What?

Are you a stand up comedian?

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I thought the Liberals were the Smart ones around here... Guess I was wrong?

Who woulda thunk?!

 

[☭proletarian☭]

When all you have is a hammer...

......and a sickle.

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....yes?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

They have an agenda - to satisfy the marxists and capture the parasitic vote.

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He's not a marxist and they already have the black and illegal votes.

If it looks like a duck.......

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And barks like a dog?

I don't remember Obama storming the White House with an angry mob and slaughtering capitalists in the streets.

 

[Contumacious]

He's not a marxist and they already have the black and illegal votes.

If it looks like a duck.......

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And barks like a dog?

I don't remember Obama storming the White House with an angry mob and slaughtering capitalists in the streets.

Neither did Hitler.

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[☭proletarian☭]

If it looks like a duck.......

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And barks like a dog?

I don't remember Obama storming the White House with an angry mob and slaughtering capitalists in the streets.

Neither did Hitler.

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Not surprising, as neither is a Marxist.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I think Obama is trying to give the insurance providers what they asked for and hope they choke on it.

What we will end up with is health care for no one but the clearly wealthy.

What the public needs to see is a message that the HMO's and lobbiests cannot obscure.

You idiots take Rupert Murdochs word through Fox on the security, safety and health of yourselves and your families. God it is an embarrassment to know I live among the dumbest motherfuckers in the industrialized world.

When your premium is 3,000 a month with a deductable of 7,500 and a 2,000 a month surcharge for pre existing condition then maybe even the morons that have been opposing single payer will be convinced they have been voting against thier own best interests.

Why is this going to happen? It has already happened. The young and healthy have taken a chance that if they drop thier health coverage they stand as better chance of succeeding financially. This phenom has occurred in several states already. Sometimes it is a choice between keeping thier house and spending $20,000 a year on health insurance.

This year it will be $30,000 or more for less insurance.

IT is amazing is that you dumb fuckers have not woken up and gone 9/11 on Fox TV stations for lying to you. Probably won't happen because you fuckers are so ignorant you will just lay down and die before you turn off Fox.

So you want your health care subsidized by Daddy Warbucks and managed by Big Brother....?

What about getting rid of both big government and overbearing insurance companies....?

 

[jeffrockit]

Lowering the Cost of Health Care

Did you read the quote from Ron Paul? If so, maybe you need to read it again and again so maybe you understand it. Remember, the HMO Act of 1973 was a Nixon/Republican policy change and health insurance by individuals was a deduction until Reagan 'fixed' the income tax.
Red tape does not equate to the government, though that is where the term originated. Insurance companies too employ red tape, as an internal policy to limit, delay and deny payments. Remember, Insurance companies are in business, government is not.

The real truth is that much of the "red tape" the insurance companies go through, is due to the govt mandates put on them.

 

[Old Rocks]

Lowering the Cost of Health Care

by Ron Paul


As a medical doctor, I’ve seen first-hand how bureaucratic red tape interferes with the doctor-patient relationship and drives costs higher. The current system of third-party payers takes decision-making away from doctors, leaving patients feeling rushed and worsening the quality of care. Yet health insurance premiums and drug costs keep rising. Clearly a new approach is needed. Congress needs to craft innovative legislation that makes health care more affordable without raising taxes or increasing the deficit. It also needs to repeal bad laws that keep health care costs higher than necessary.

We should remember that HMOs did not arise because of free-market demand, but rather because of government mandates. The HMO Act of 1973 requires all but the smallest employers to offer their employees HMO coverage, and the tax code allows businesses – but not individuals – to deduct the cost of health insurance premiums. The result is the illogical coupling of employment and health insurance, which often leaves the unemployed without needed catastrophic coverage.

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Why does our system cost twice as much as the other industrial nations systems?

Why does our system get such piss poor results compared to their systems?