Why Is Ronald Reagan Still Considered A Conservative Hero?

[editec]

Instead of privatizing Social Security, he raised taxes

The Greenspan Commission....he signed it into law, and it raised taxes on Social Security.

He negotiated with terrorists, sending -- over and over again -- arms to Iran in exchange for hostages; by contrast Jimmy Carter didn't give an inch to the Iranians.

Reagan gave amnesty to people who are breaking the law and living in the country illegally. He said, "Forget about it. Stay here forever." He cut and ran from Lebanon. How many hundreds of Marines were killed?

Why is Reagan a hero to conservatives?

He's a tax raiser, an amnesty giver, a cut-and-runner, and he negotiated with terrorists.

Why is Ronald a hero to conservatives?

Because most people claiming to be conservatives aren't especially given to looking into details.

They're all over bills with conservative sounding titles, of course, but as the title of a bill tells us nothing, and few of them are capable of thinking past the propaganda?

They really do think that Reagan was a conservative and Jimmy Carter was a liberal.

 

[sparky]

well it's just amazing legacy that time and history revsionists create

Reaganism? Reaganistic? Reaganitsa?

They could probably prop up RR's corpse at the next stotu addy, and have 1/2 of Congress applaud the whole time.....

~S~

 

[NYcarbineer]

Reagan is the reason we have massive debt today. Reagan fell under the spell of a group of fiscal crackpots who were devoted to the biggest myth of the second half of the 20th century -

that you could raise revenues by cutting taxes. Ever since Reagan, Republican tax/fiscal/budget policy has been based on that myth. Not even 30 years of multi-trillion dollar refutations of that myth have been able to kill it.

That is the Reagan legacy. An irreversible tax cut death spiral towards national bankruptcy.

 

[georgephillip]

"Yet wages, income and profits aren’t the total story or legacy of Reaganomics.

"It was also on Reagan’s watch that a massive shift to part time and temp work began, a condition that has continued ever since and has been eating away at the standard of living of tens of millions today, and in turn playing a major role in preventing a sustained economic recovery from the current recession.

"It was under Reagan’s first term alone that involuntary part time work force grew from 3.4 million to 6 million. Over half the jobs added from 1980 to 1983 were involuntary part time.

"That’s 2.7 of the 5.8 million jobs added in that period. Temp jobs also rose fourfold during the Reagan years, to more than 1.5 million.

"It should be noted these jobs paid only 60%-75% of wages of full time workers on average, and benefits of only 10%-20% on average.

"Millions of workers earned less, enabling record corporate profits compared to the 1970s which were paid out in dividends, interest, capital gains, etc., now conveniently reduced significantly by the Reagan ‘supply side’ tax reductions for corporations and the top tax brackets."

Republicans AND Democrats serve those who fund their campaigns. Most of that money comes from the richest 1% of US voters.

Reagan AND Obama served/serve the same Masters.

ZCommunications

 

[Intense]

Reagan is the reason we have massive debt today. Reagan fell under the spell of a group of fiscal crackpots who were devoted to the biggest myth of the second half of the 20th century -

that you could raise revenues by cutting taxes. Ever since Reagan, Republican tax/fiscal/budget policy has been based on that myth. Not even 30 years of multi-trillion dollar refutations of that myth have been able to kill it.

That is the Reagan legacy. An irreversible tax cut death spiral towards national bankruptcy.

Government Spending is the reason we have massive debt today. It's the word "Reason" that short circuits you, huh?

 

[boedicca]

Skippy should stick to peanuts. His biggest question for the Cosmos is Smooth or Crunchy?
Second is Sometimes you feel like a nut sometimes you don't. Why! Why God Why!

There is a third alternative: Goober Jelly.

 

[boedicca]

Beat Russia
Brought down the Berlin wall
Got the hostages back (dirty deeds done to save lives)
Took the Dow, that had never seen 400 to well over 2100
got the unions to help re-elect him

He won in such a large landslide that liberals had to vote for him. Maybe you could ask them why.

I know why.

Compare the Reagan:

"Mr Gobachev tear down this wall."

with

Obama (from his America Doesn't Appreciate Europe Speech):

“Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”


And the latter is the one who returned Churchill's bust, gave the Queen an ipod filled with his speeches, and then sold out the UK by telling Russia about the location of trident missiles.

 

[Trajan]

Reagan is the reason we have massive debt today. Reagan fell under the spell of a group of fiscal crackpots who were devoted to the biggest myth of the second half of the 20th century -

that you could raise revenues by cutting taxes. Ever since Reagan, Republican tax/fiscal/budget policy has been based on that myth. Not even 30 years of multi-trillion dollar refutations of that myth have been able to kill it.

That is the Reagan legacy. An irreversible tax cut death spiral towards national bankruptcy.

aaahhh so its NOT bush? *whew* he'll be glad to hear that........


and of course deficit spending is only good when it isn't....

 

[boedicca]

Reagan is the reason we have massive debt today. Reagan fell under the spell of a group of fiscal crackpots who were devoted to the biggest myth of the second half of the 20th century -

that you could raise revenues by cutting taxes. Ever since Reagan, Republican tax/fiscal/budget policy has been based on that myth. Not even 30 years of multi-trillion dollar refutations of that myth have been able to kill it.

That is the Reagan legacy. An irreversible tax cut death spiral towards national bankruptcy.

No, the reason why we have massive debt today is the progressivism that took over the government and higher education in the early 20th century leading to the income tax, social security, the federal reserve, and public employee unions.

 

[sangha]

Five myths about Ronald Reagan's legacy



Federal spending grew by an average of 2.5 percent a year, adjusted for inflation, while Reagan was president. The national debt exploded, increasing from about $700 billion to nearly $3 trillion. n.

more crap, I don't know who peddled this first, Think Progress or wapo, I suspect wapo got it from think progress which says enough about wapo, I expect better from them.....

here ya go...

exit question boy wonder, who held the house and who took the senate back in 1988?

here, I don't want you to strain yourself-


100th Congress (1987-1989)

Majority Party: Democrat (55 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (45 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100

Dem. majorities...

99th
(1985-1987)

435

253

182

100th
(1987-1989)

435

258

177

101st
(1989-1991)

435

260

175


Now, please link me to congress's budget bill or other legislation were in they attempted to ether roll back or modify the taxs instituted there in by reagan. go ahead, I'll wait. OR better yet show me where in the years reagan had the senate the house voted down reagans tax bills...

Instead of linking to acts of Congress, why don't you explain why Reagans proposals incuded so much govt spending?

No matter what you say about Congress, the fact is that Reagan was a big spender who raised taxes. He not only signed the bills raising taxes, he BRAGGED about it.

Oh, and the chart you posted shows that congress passed budets with less spending than Reagan proposed when the dems held congress. The republicans spent even MORE than Reagan requested, and the republicans VOTED FOR the tax increases

 

[georgephillip]

Reagan is the reason we have massive debt today. Reagan fell under the spell of a group of fiscal crackpots who were devoted to the biggest myth of the second half of the 20th century -

that you could raise revenues by cutting taxes. Ever since Reagan, Republican tax/fiscal/budget policy has been based on that myth. Not even 30 years of multi-trillion dollar refutations of that myth have been able to kill it.

That is the Reagan legacy. An irreversible tax cut death spiral towards national bankruptcy.

Government Spending is the reason we have massive debt today. It's the word "Reason" that short circuits you, huh?

What has government (Republican AND Democrat) spent the most on lately and who were the primary beneficiaries?

"Thanks largely to the $13 trillion Wall Street bailout – while keeping the debt overhead in place for America’s 'bottom 98 per cent' – this happy 2 per cent of the population now receives an estimated three quarters (~75 per cent) of the returns to wealth (interest, dividends, rent and capital gains).

"This is nearly double what it received a generation ago. The rest of the population is being squeezed, and foreclosures are rising."

Wiki provides additional wealth distribution details:

"The very rich lost relatively less in the crisis than the remainder of the population, widening the divide between the economic classes.

"Thus the top 1% who had a share of 34.6% of the nation's wealth in 2007 increased their share to 37.1% by 2009.

"This is a result of a class system, that protects the wealthy through bailouts and protection. Whereas, with the 'Working Class' have no protection, and are left paying for the wealthy who have been bailed out.[177]"

This is the reason GE retired Reagan to the White House:

Roll back the New Deal.

 

[sangha]

"This is nearly double what it received a generation ago. The rest of the population is being squeezed, and foreclosures are rising."

A generation ago? Let's see. 2011 minus 25 (years in a generation) brings us to 1986

That means it started when Reagan was President!!

 

[California Girl]

Beat Russia
Brought down the Berlin wall
Got the hostages back (dirty deeds done to save lives)
Took the Dow, that had never seen 400 to well over 2100
got the unions to help re-elect him

He won in such a large landslide that liberals had to vote for him. Maybe you could ask them why.

I know why.

Compare the Reagan:

"Mr Gobachev tear down this wall."

with

Obama (from his America Doesn't Appreciate Europe Speech):

“Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”


And the latter is the one who returned Churchill's bust, gave the Queen an ipod filled with his speeches, and then sold out the UK by telling Russia about the location of trident missiles.

On July 4th, in Grosvenor Square (London), they will unveil a statue of one of our great Presidents.... nope, not Obama.... Reagan.

I guess the Brits have quickly realized that Reagan was a better friend to the UK than Obama ever will be.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...tatue-to-be-unveiled-in-Grosvenor-Square.html

 

[Stephanie]

Why Is Ronald Reagan Still Considered A Conservative Hero?

Because the right is desperate for heros and their standards are so low?

Heck they even pick emo semi sane media whores as heros.

sheesh

 

[sangha]

Beat Russia
Brought down the Berlin wall
Got the hostages back (dirty deeds done to save lives)
Took the Dow, that had never seen 400 to well over 2100
got the unions to help re-elect him

He won in such a large landslide that liberals had to vote for him. Maybe you could ask them why.

I know why.

Compare the Reagan:

"Mr Gobachev tear down this wall."

with

Obama (from his America Doesn't Appreciate Europe Speech):

“Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”


And the latter is the one who returned Churchill's bust, gave the Queen an ipod filled with his speeches, and then sold out the UK by telling Russia about the location of trident missiles.

On July 4th, in Grosvenor Square (London), they will unveil a statue of one of our great Presidents.... nope, not Obama.... Reagan.

I guess the Brits have quickly realized that Reagan was a better friend to the UK than Obama ever will be.


Ronald Reagan statue to be unveiled in Grosvenor Square - Telegraph

The Brits love the big spending, high taxing, big govt types who negotiate with terrorists.

 

[Misty]

Reagan is considered a conservative hero because he believed in an optimistic economic growth, he loved and believed in America and it's people and he gave people pride and hope in America.

He was a centerist. As many presidents are but he spoke with pride and hope for America.

While Obama cuts down America and Americans, Reagan loved and spoke proudly of America.

 

[sangha]

Reagan is considered a conservative hero because he believed in an optimistic economic growth, he loved and believed in America and it's people and he gave people pride and hope in America.

He was a centerist. As many presidents are but he spoke with pride and hope for America.

While Obama cuts down America and Americans, Reagan loved and spoke proudly of America.

In wingnut world, what a politician says is more important than what he does

That's why a governor who quit halfway through her term is considered a fighter. It doesn't take much to impress a wingnut. All you have to do is be a wingnut.

That's why wingnuts are impressed by meaningless phrases like "he believed in an optimistic economic growth" (What does it mean to "believe in optimistic economic growth"? Are there people who don't believe economic growth is possible?)

That's why praise of reagan are mostly filled with adjectives about his personality (he was optimistic, proud of america, etc) and short on accomplishments. This one can't even name one good thing Reagan did

 

[georgephillip]

"This is nearly double what it received a generation ago. The rest of the population is being squeezed, and foreclosures are rising."

A generation ago? Let's see. 2011 minus 25 (years in a generation) brings us to 1986

That means it started when Reagan was President!!

I think it actually started during Carter's administration, or even earlier when Dick took the US off the gold standard. By the mid-70s Japan and Germany had rebuilt their economies, and it was clear to many the US would not be able to dominate world commerce as it had since 1945.

Inflamed by the social turmoil of the 60s, many financial elites began a systematic assault on New Deal policies put in place after the Great Depression.

The Gipper was their rock star in the same way FDR was to Democrats, and since that time both parties have favored economic policies that benefit the richest Americans at the expense of the majority of Americans.

Obama is no exception, and his skin color seems to inhibit most progressive criticism.

 

[uscitizen]

"Yet wages, income and profits aren’t the total story or legacy of Reaganomics.

"It was also on Reagan’s watch that a massive shift to part time and temp work began, a condition that has continued ever since and has been eating away at the standard of living of tens of millions today, and in turn playing a major role in preventing a sustained economic recovery from the current recession.

"It was under Reagan’s first term alone that involuntary part time work force grew from 3.4 million to 6 million. Over half the jobs added from 1980 to 1983 were involuntary part time.

"That’s 2.7 of the 5.8 million jobs added in that period. Temp jobs also rose fourfold during the Reagan years, to more than 1.5 million.

"It should be noted these jobs paid only 60%-75% of wages of full time workers on average, and benefits of only 10%-20% on average.

"Millions of workers earned less, enabling record corporate profits compared to the 1970s which were paid out in dividends, interest, capital gains, etc., now conveniently reduced significantly by the Reagan ‘supply side’ tax reductions for corporations and the top tax brackets."

Republicans AND Democrats serve those who fund their campaigns. Most of that money comes from the richest 1% of US voters.

Reagan AND Obama served/serve the same Masters.

ZCommunications

Does no one else remember talk about "The mobile workforce for the new millenia"?
It is no benefit temp workers.

 

[edthecynic]

And the latter is the one who returned Churchill's bust, gave the Queen an ipod filled with his speeches, and then sold out the UK by telling Russia about the location of trident missiles.

Again I ask, just how stupid do you have to be to believe anything that comes from CON$ervative media?????????

The bust was LOANED to BUSH and returned BEFORE Obama was inaugurated!!!

The iPod had footage of the queen's 2007 visit to America and Broadway show tunes, not Obama's speeches!!!

All Russia was given was the SERIAL NUMBERS of the Trident missiles we sold Britten, not the locations!!!

I'm amazed that no matter how many times GOP hate media is exposed for its lies, CON$ are STILL gullible enough to swallow all the propaganda whole.