Why is it costing 28 billion over 10 years if not subsidized at all!!!!

[Toddsterpatriot]

We spend ~3.5 trillion annually when you combine personal expenditures, VA care, Medicare, and Medicaid. Not even adjusting for inflation, this is cheaper in the long run.

I'm deeply suspicious of any centralized government program. But if conservative lobbyists are going to dissuade the American public from single payer, they will have to do a better job on math.

Or keep defunding public schools.

Conservative Think-Tanker Accidentally Argues That Single Payer Could Save Americans $2 Trillion

Less and cheaper medical equipment.
Fewer new drugs.
Long lines.

There are lots of things we could do to make our healthcare system cheaper....and worse.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We spend ~3.5 trillion annually when you combine personal expenditures, VA care, Medicare, and Medicaid. Not even adjusting for inflation, this is cheaper in the long run.

I'm deeply suspicious of any centralized government program. But if conservative lobbyists are going to dissuade the American public from single payer, they will have to do a better job on math.

Or keep defunding public schools.

Conservative Think-Tanker Accidentally Argues That Single Payer Could Save Americans $2 Trillion

Blahous’ report also shows that total U.S. health care spending would fall by about $2.05 trillion during that time period, even as all Americans would finally have insurance, because the plan would reduce payments to doctors and hospitals to Medicare rates

Increasing demand while reducing supply......What could go wrong?

 

[Crepitus]

On its website, UnitedHealth says that short-term plans are available for as little as $23.70 a month — for some unmarried women aged 19 to 24 who do not smoke. The plans have a $10,000 deductible, which is $2,650 more than the out-of-pocket costs allowed under a plan that complies with the Affordable Care Act.

A footnote on the website says, “Short-term health insurance is medically underwritten and does not cover pre-existing conditions.”

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The additional cost to the federal government will total $28 billion over 10 years, according to an official estimate published with the new rule.

Federal subsidies are not available for short-term policies. Most people who qualify for subsidies will stay in the public marketplace, the administration predicted.

‘Short Term’ Health Insurance? Up to 3 Years Under New Trump Policy
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What is this money , 28 billion, going to cover?? Also does the Trump Admin know about Cobra??

Shocker: Bernie Sanders Health Care Plan Is A $30+ Trillion Economic Catastrophe

Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would increase government health care spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, according to a study by a university-based libertarian policy center.

That's trillion with a "T."

28 billion is chump change to what your Socialist Senator wants to FORCE upon the US. Just shut the fuck up, sick of you whiney liberals bitching about spending..

You know that that's a $2 trillion savings over current expenditures right?

Because we all know when the Federal government starts spending, costs go down.
Just look at college tuition.
DERP!

Yes, yes. We know math is hard.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

On its website, UnitedHealth says that short-term plans are available for as little as $23.70 a month — for some unmarried women aged 19 to 24 who do not smoke. The plans have a $10,000 deductible, which is $2,650 more than the out-of-pocket costs allowed under a plan that complies with the Affordable Care Act.

A footnote on the website says, “Short-term health insurance is medically underwritten and does not cover pre-existing conditions.”

Snip

The additional cost to the federal government will total $28 billion over 10 years, according to an official estimate published with the new rule.

Federal subsidies are not available for short-term policies. Most people who qualify for subsidies will stay in the public marketplace, the administration predicted.

‘Short Term’ Health Insurance? Up to 3 Years Under New Trump Policy
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What is this money , 28 billion, going to cover?? Also does the Trump Admin know about Cobra??

Shocker: Bernie Sanders Health Care Plan Is A $30+ Trillion Economic Catastrophe

Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would increase government health care spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, according to a study by a university-based libertarian policy center.

That's trillion with a "T."

28 billion is chump change to what your Socialist Senator wants to FORCE upon the US. Just shut the fuck up, sick of you whiney liberals bitching about spending..

You know that that's a $2 trillion savings over current expenditures right?

Because we all know when the Federal government starts spending, costs go down.
Just look at college tuition.
DERP!

Yes, yes. We know math is hard.

Socialists don't need math...…...

 

[there4eyeM]

On its website, UnitedHealth says that short-term plans are available for as little as $23.70 a month — for some unmarried women aged 19 to 24 who do not smoke. The plans have a $10,000 deductible, which is $2,650 more than the out-of-pocket costs allowed under a plan that complies with the Affordable Care Act.

A footnote on the website says, “Short-term health insurance is medically underwritten and does not cover pre-existing conditions.”

Snip

The additional cost to the federal government will total $28 billion over 10 years, according to an official estimate published with the new rule.

Federal subsidies are not available for short-term policies. Most people who qualify for subsidies will stay in the public marketplace, the administration predicted.

‘Short Term’ Health Insurance? Up to 3 Years Under New Trump Policy
--------------------------------------------
What is this money , 28 billion, going to cover?? Also does the Trump Admin know about Cobra??

Shocker: Bernie Sanders Health Care Plan Is A $30+ Trillion Economic Catastrophe

Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would increase government health care spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, according to a study by a university-based libertarian policy center.

That's trillion with a "T."

28 billion is chump change to what your Socialist Senator wants to FORCE upon the US. Just shut the fuck up, sick of you whiney liberals bitching about spending..

You know that that's a $2 trillion savings over current expenditures right?

Because we all know when the Federal government starts spending, costs go down.
Just look at college tuition.
DERP!

Yes, yes. We know math is hard.

Putting ideology over people is exactly what was wrong with Hitler and Stalin.
By calling something "socialist", ideologues can reject it without further thought. Whereas "capitalism" is not an ideology, only an economic form that can be modified as wanted. The question, when approaching economics, should simply be, "what is best for the greatest number of people". After all, value itself comes from the human mind.

 

[dblack]

There is nothing complicated to it. If, for example, everyone with a driver's license paid a fair charge into a collective system for his/her insurance, the amount of money would be very significant. With no profit to cover, there would be no problem fulfilling resultant actuarial obligations. At the same time, there would never be any doubt that anyone behind a steering wheel would have at least the legal minimum of protection. Those who wanted more could pay a private insurance for extras.
With health care, it's even simpler. The U.S. spends almost twice per capita what the French do, and 25% more than the Swiss (who are in second place). In 2016, that was over $10300 in America, about $853/month. Even by just reducing that cost the at least 20% insurance companies represent would get close to Switzerland.

No, no and no.

 

[dblack]

The question, when approaching economics, should simply be, "what is best for the greatest number of people".

Not when it comes to law. The law isn't there to score benes for the majority. It's there to protect our rights when we interact in society. It's what makes it possible for us to collaborate as a society - voluntarily. It shouldn't be a vehicle to force the majority's will on the rest of us.

 

[there4eyeM]

Putting ideology over people is exactly what was wrong with Hitler and Stalin.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Even Bernie Sanders plan of insurance for all was shown to save money.

Bwwaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaahhhhaaaaaa….. Save money, yeah when he jacks up everyone taxes 75% or higher....Yeah really saving everyone money...dumbass

 

[debbiedowner]

Even Bernie Sanders plan of insurance for all was shown to save money.

Bwwaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaahhhhaaaaaa….. Save money, yeah when he jacks up everyone taxes 75% or higher....Yeah really saving everyone money...dumbass[/QUO

 

[protectionist]

Auto insurance is more or less 'forced', to the profit of private insurance companies.

Especially the very expensive PIP (personal injury protection) part. Completely unnecessary for people who already are covered for medical care.

This is about equivalent to checking out at a WalMart, and having the cashier put some expensive item on the checkout counter that you didn't request, and then charging you for it.