Why is Africa underdeveloped today?

[Trigg]

Why exactly did the white Zimbabweans not have a right to their own land??????? If a black moves to this country and buys land does that land not really belong to him??????

Whites didn't exactly "move"to Zimbabwe, do you know how many Africans were forcefully removed from the best farm lands to make way for white settlers? It was not their land, they bought land from people who already stole it without even compensating the people they stole it from.

Whites have lived in Zimbabwe and South Africa for generations and have just as much a right to that land as anyone else.

Those thieves have no right to anything, they moved there as oppressors and exploiters and Zimbabwe didn't achieve full independence under black control until the 1980s. These people have no right to Africa's resources and control of the economy.

Blacks were buffalo soldiers here in the US, should black thieves here in the US also give back their land????????? Of course not because blacks of today BOUGHT THEIR LAND LEGALLY

The whites who owned the land there bought and payed for it legally the gov. stole it. You said so yourself, they bought land from other people. You can't punish someone for the sins of others. Even if they're white.

Whites have a right to live and work and anywhere they want, just like everyone else does. Blacks move to Europe and the US everyday, do they have a RIGHT to be here?????

BTW the gov. biggest mistake has been to throw the white farmers off of their land. Zim went from an up and coming country with much to offer and has turned back into a 3rd world country that can't even feed it's people. From the breadbasket of Africa to food Aid. Mugabe doesn't care a bit for his people, he's raping the country for his own wealth.

Feel free to keep blaiming whites though, you'r very good at it.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Blacks were buffalo soldiers here in the US, should black thieves here in the US also give back their land????????? Of course not because blacks of today BOUGHT THEIR LAND LEGALLY

Blacks didn't steal any land here in the US and keep it for themselves, nor did they come here mostly as settlers, they were carrying out the orders of the military. The whites in Africa didn't come mostly as settlers they came as imperialists, thieves, killers, robbers and warmongers and force blacks off the most fertile lands, they didn't buy a damn thing, therefore they have no right to that land.

The whites who owned the land there bought and payed for it legally the gov. stole it. You said so yourself, they bought land from other people. You can't punish someone for the sins of others. Even if they're white.

The white oppressors who mistreated the black indigenous people gave those whites that land, it was not bought period.

Whites have a right to live and work and anywhere they want, just like everyone else does. Blacks move to Europe and the US everyday, do they have a RIGHT to be here?????

Those whites didn't move there and buy that land, it was stolen land passed down to them.

BTW the gov. biggest mistake has been to throw the white farmers off of their land. Zim went from an up and coming country with much to offer and has turned back into a 3rd world country that can't even feed it's people. From the breadbasket of Africa to food Aid. Mugabe doesn't care a bit for his people, he's raping the country for his own wealth.

Feel free to keep blaiming whites though, you'r very good at it.

No, Mugabe's mistake was not putting competent black farmers on the farm land and the loss of the white farmers is not the cause of Zimbabwe collapse, its incompetent leadership, you seem to forget all the hell whites put black Zimbabweans through.

 

[manu1959]

there is a study that seems to indicate that the reason africa fell behind europe even though it had a head start was due to poor farming ...a lack of nutrition and thus an inability to feed large groups thus specialization in mfr etc to exploit natural resources was unable to develop.....

 

[Trigg]

Blacks were buffalo soldiers here in the US, should black thieves here in the US also give back their land????????? Of course not because blacks of today BOUGHT THEIR LAND LEGALLY

Blacks didn't steal any land here in the US and keep it for themselves, nor did they come here mostly as settlers, they were carrying out the orders of the military. The whites in Africa didn't come mostly as settlers they came as imperialists, thieves, killers, robbers and warmongers and force blacks off the most fertile lands, they didn't buy a damn thing, therefore they have no right to that land.

The whites who owned the land there bought and payed for it legally the gov. stole it. You said so yourself, they bought land from other people. You can't punish someone for the sins of others. Even if they're white.

The white oppressors who mistreated the black indigenous people gave those whites that land, it was not bought period.

Whites have a right to live and work and anywhere they want, just like everyone else does. Blacks move to Europe and the US everyday, do they have a RIGHT to be here?????

Those whites didn't move there and buy that land, it was stolen land passed down to them.

BTW the gov. biggest mistake has been to throw the white farmers off of their land. Zim went from an up and coming country with much to offer and has turned back into a 3rd world country that can't even feed it's people. From the breadbasket of Africa to food Aid. Mugabe doesn't care a bit for his people, he's raping the country for his own wealth.

Feel free to keep blaiming whites though, you'r very good at it.

No, Mugabe's mistake was not putting competent black farmers on the farm land and the loss of the white farmers is not the cause of Zimbabwe collapse, its incompetent leadership, you seem to forget all the hell whites put black Zimbabweans through.

1. You Yourself said they bought it from other people. So did you lie????? They bought it off of somebody. Not everyone for generation uppon generation was given land. They bought it legally.

2. Blacks JOINED the military. They certainly weren't forced to do so. They fought against the indians, forcing them off the land. Therefore, by your reasoning, they stole the land and have no rights to it. Even if they didn't personally steal the land they bought it from someone who did and should give it back. Again, using your reasoning.

3. Yes, incompetant leadership. Throwing legal owners off their land with NO back up plan. Causing the breadbasket of Africa to devolve into chaos. Instead of exporting food, they now have to import food Aid. How then, is throwing the white farmers off their land NOT A MISTAKE.

4. The whites living in Zim were born and raised there. Generations of people who worked for that country and deserve to live there just as anyone else does.

5. Until you give your house and property back to the indians to make up for the injustice that the Buffalo soldiers did to them, than you have no right to demand that the whites in Zim give everything back.

6. thought this was interresting. Even Mugabe has admitted, kind of, that he screwed up.


HARARE, Zimbabwe, April 24 (UPI) -- The government of Zimbabwe is reversing course to allow white farmers who lost their land to apply for government-owned farms.

But critics say that the change shows the total failure of Mugabe's land-reform program. The number of white farmers in Zimbabwe dropped from 4,000 to 300 between 2000 and 2006, and the country went from an agricultural surplus to famine.

Mugabe has acknowledged some corruption in the land reform program and a failure to provide guidance and training for blacks given what had been white-owned land. But he also blames European countries, accusing them of trying to sabotage Zimbabwe's economy.

Farmers who apply for land are not necessarily getting the property that was confiscated. The government is leasing the land for 99 years.

99 years..........99 year lease...........sounds to be like he's realized his mistake and is all but giving it back.

 

[stf410]

Africans need to take some responsibility for the underdevelopment.

Before Europeans imposed colonialism in Africa, African nations fought among each other. Because of the lack of unity among the nations (tribes), the Europeans were able to conquer the Africans. In fact Africans captured members of other tribes and sold them to the Europeans in exchange for ammunitions. It is in Africa, Europeans learned about slavery. Since slavery was practiced by African Royalties who enslaved their enemies (other Africans). The greed of some African Kings to overpower one another, led to the sufferings of many generations. Sadly, some African nations today are still at war with each other. If they would only look at the failure of their ancestors, they will realize that they are suppressing the growth of the nations, which is contributing greatly to its underdevelopment.

Holding colonialism solely responsible for Africa’s underdevelopment has not resolved the problem. The African people need to take some accountability for their actions and work together, rather than undermining each other to resolve the problem.

 

[JBeukema]

Hell, Blacks in the US and Europe are only united because Whites lumped all ******* together. Whites are responsible for the united front of the blacks, who sold eachother into slavery

 

[Epsilon Delta]

there is a study that seems to indicate that the reason africa fell behind europe even though it had a head start was due to poor farming ...a lack of nutrition and thus an inability to feed large groups thus specialization in mfr etc to exploit natural resources was unable to develop.....

Absolutely true; an excellent book that pursues this and other points in regards to historical paths of development is Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond. I'd recommend it to anyone who actually wants to understand why and how the differences arose among human populations in different regions. It doesn't explain everything, but it is a very good start.

 

[DamnYankee]

Well for starters, it isn't because of "African ïnferiority," so called low IQs or Africans having an inability to capitalize off of the "good" things that Europe left in Africa, its because of neocolonialism by Western countries and a select group of corrupt Africans willing to do their bidding. Not surprising, these corrupt Africans were almost always part of the elite group of Western educated Africans under European colonial control.

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There you have it, the total truth. The Bass would like to see those looney white supremacists who believe that so called low African IQ and African inferiority and inability to govern and take of self is the truth, or just white supremacist manufactured garbage used as a smoke screen for whats really going on.

Those help you out at all?

 

[William Joyce]

Black Africans today rape infants to cure themselves of AIDS.

And blame drought on "angry gods":

allAfrica.com: Uganda: Climate Change Fuels Conflicts in Karamoja (Page 1 of 1)

Did the Jewish writer Jared Diamond remember to mention these tidbits?

 

[Scotty]

Our country should provide them with assistance in education. As a white man who has visited africa a number of times, I see africa's potential. They just need some help.

 

[Gungnir]

Well for starters, it isn't because of "African ïnferiority," so called low IQs or Africans having an inability to capitalize off of the "good" things that Europe left in Africa, its because of neocolonialism by Western countries and a select group of corrupt Africans willing to do their bidding.

All other things presumed to be equal; how can anyone expect Black Africans to adapt and thrive in modern industry and economics when there was no existing domestic market for anything at the time of Colonization?

Our country was not ready for the social, industrial, or environmental implications of mass produced cars!

Precolonial Africa was less developed than Middle Ages Europe; remember that was when "countries" were serf worked farmlands ruled over by Germanic "nobles".

Africa has to develop a domestic market and investment capital before it can achieve a stable economy. Consider what having foreign suppliers delivering products near 1000 years superior to your own would do to a culture. A culture that could only buy these things by disproportionately exporting the available natural resources.

Africa must find a way of making people live past 50, of providing nationalism (American style, not tribalism), of providing education, and developing a lower upper class selfish enough to realize that a large middle class will profit them and despotism doesn't.

 

[Gungnir]

BTW the gov. biggest mistake has been to throw the white farmers off of their land. Zim went from an up and coming country with much to offer and has turned back into a 3rd world country that can't even feed it's people. From the breadbasket of Africa to food Aid. Mugabe doesn't care a bit for his people, he's raping the country for his own wealth.

Feel free to keep blaiming whites though, you'r very good at it.

No, Mugabe's mistake was not putting competent black farmers on the farm land and the loss of the white farmers is not the cause of Zimbabwe collapse, its incompetent leadership, you seem to forget all the hell whites put black Zimbabweans through.

Bass is rightish. One of the ideas of nationalism is to take responsibility for yourself even if that means neglecting valuable options. If the Zimbabweans want that land for their own, they need to work it and keep the profits and products of their labor. Personally, I would have bit the bullet and kept the Whites on around for a little longer, given them contracts or some such.

Did the Whites own that land? Not one minute after they couldn't defend their claim by force. Same goes for everyone else. Mother Nature is a harsh mistress who doesn't care about rights, just about who lives.