"Why I parted ways with the right"

[Tony_S]

Lumping in white racialists and libertarians in the same sentence is pretty fucking nuts if you ask me. According to Charles, if you eventually realize the state is a fucking lie machine, you're a kook. Well, I guess I'm a kook.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Lumping in white racialists and libertarians in the same sentence is pretty fucking nuts if you ask me.

There are legitimate, non-racists, libertarian types out there.

However, in my interactions with folks I find the "hip" way to conceal being a racist bastard is to cloak yourself in Libertarianism and "State's Right's" arguments. I think that's the real reason that the libertarian point of view hasn't caught on more. Its being soured by racists that use it as a cover for their own issues.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why I Parted Ways with the Left

1. I liked the character Gollum, but it bugs me that every Democrat sounds just like him when they talk about President Bush...or Fox news.

2. I like my science uncooked

3. I like my President to be pro-American, or at very least have a real US birth Certificate

4. I like my older relatives, no Death Panels for them

5. I like rich people and would encourage everyone to becomes one; the Left spews froth and spittle at the very concept of Free Enterprise

6. I like going directly to my doctor and don't want the Government standing in the way

7. I like to think for myself, I made a post on a famous Democrat Board and started saying, "Yeah, but..." and I was banned before I could type another word

8. I like watching TV without having to wear ear plugs so I cannot watch Keith Olbermann, not a chance in hell.

9. I like to read about something besides Barack Obama, so I can not look at any Left wing newspapers or magazines because it's All Barry, All The Time

10. I liked having the WTC in lower Manhattan, I still miss it, I won't ever forget 911, people on the Left forgot it as soon as possible

 

[Jay Canuck]

"The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes,
and off the cliff. I won't be going over the cliff with them."
-- Dan Senor, conservative-leaning blogger, announcing his break with the birther whackjobs, Link

 

[Tony_S]

Lumping in white racialists and libertarians in the same sentence is pretty fucking nuts if you ask me.

There are legitimate, non-racists, libertarian types out there.

However, in my interactions with folks I find the "hip" way to conceal being a racist bastard is to cloak yourself in Libertarianism and "State's Right's" arguments. I think that's the real reason that the libertarian point of view hasn't caught on more. Its being soured by racists that use it as a cover for their own issues.

White racialists tend to be National Socialists for most part. One cannot be a racist, which is a form of collectivism, then espouse libertarianism in the same sentence. States' Rights is simply a constitutional viewpoint, not some code word for being a white nationalist or separatist.

 

[rightwinger]

Ron Reagan would be rolling over in his grave if he saw what became of his Conservative movement. The Conservative movement is becoming a bastion for racists, isolationists, secessionists and fear mongerers. The days of George Will and William F Buckley representing a conservative think tank are gone. They have been replaced in the movement by Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Hannity and Coulter.

To think that Dick Cheney is still their most viable face shows how low the movement has sank

 

[nodoginnafight]

I was a Republican for years. Raised funds, supported candidates, the whole nine yards. All of sudden (it seemed like to me) I looked around and there just weren't that many smart conservatives around anymore. The people calling the shots were absolute idiots. Now was it that the party went over to the idiots "abandoning the smart conservatives" ??? I don't know.

Ditto. I voted Republican for most of my voting life up to the Bush/DeLay/Frist era. That unholy trinity made it clear the GOP had gone off the rails and wwwaaaayyyyyyy over the cliff.

I don't think all of the attacks in the OP are justified, but right now the GOP is off the rails. Until they get back on track I'm done with them.

I'm in the same boat. I voted for Reagan and daddy Bush four times. In the late nineties, the conservative movement took a nasty turn with volume substituting for substance. made me ask "Why do I want to be associated with these guys?"

But aparrently we all don't exist according to some folks here. All just a myth ... a fantasy ...
And apparently they HAVEN'T lost a majority in the house and the senate AND the White House over that time .... I guess that's a myth too.

Seems to me that if a party was serious about getting people like us back - they'd stop calling us names and START listening.

But noooooooo - they think they lost because they haven't pissed us off ENOUGH!!!!!

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Ron Reagan would be rolling over in his grave if he saw what became of his Conservative movement. The Conservative movement is becoming a bastion for racists, isolationists, secessionists and fear mongerers. The days of George Will and William F Buckley representing a conservative think tank are gone. They have been replaced in the movement by Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Hannity and Coulter.

To think that Dick Cheney is still their most viable face shows how low the movement has sank

I always thought the seeds for this turn were sown by Buckley. What Rush/Hannity/Coulter took from Buckley wasn't the skill for intelligent discourse, it was the mocking tone. The front men for the Conservative movement have become bullies and idealogues of the worst stripe.

I know while they're still the idealogical leaders, I won't associate with the Conservative movement.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

White racialists tend to be National Socialists for most part. One cannot be a racist, which is a form of collectivism, then espouse libertarianism in the same sentence. States' Rights is simply a constitutional viewpoint, not some code word for being a white nationalist or separatist.

I can only tell you that when I meet someone that is obviously racist, their political views almost always bend towards "State's Rights" and Libertarianism.

I know that not everyone that shares those views are racist, its just the racists I know try to cloak their views inside those ideologies. I no more consider them libertarians than I consider them decent human beings.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Chairman Mao would be tap dancing with joy if he could see how far the American Left has come

 

[xsited1]

Why I Parted Ways With The Right

 

[Tony_S]

Ron Reagan would be rolling over in his grave if he saw what became of his Conservative movement. The Conservative movement is becoming a bastion for racists, isolationists, secessionists and fear mongerers. The days of George Will and William F Buckley representing a conservative think tank are gone. They have been replaced in the movement by Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Hannity and Coulter.

To think that Dick Cheney is still their most viable face shows how low the movement has sank

The Neoconservatives and some of the religious types molded their own movement within the GOP. You'll find a weird form of statism, coupled with people who feel like they're part of the state. If you disagree with the government, they use canards like 'Why do you hate America?', as if the government has an ego that can be bruised or we are someone how part of this Leviathan.

As far as Buckley is concerned, here's a guy who said the United States had to become a national security bureaucracy to defeat the Soviets. Enough said...

 

[Jay Canuck]

Junkie named top conservative



Link Excerpt:
By a wide margin, Americans consider Rush Limbaugh the nation's most influential conservative voice. Those are the results of a poll conducted by "60 Minutes" and Vanity Fair magazine and issued Sunday. The radio whore was picked by 26 percent of those who responded, followed by Glenn Beck at 11 percent. Actual politicians - Cheney and Palin - were the choice of 10 percent each. Asked to choose from among seven presidents, Americans tapped John F. Kennedy as the one they'd like to see added to Mount Rushmore. Kennedy polled 29 percent, with Ronald Reagan second at 20 percent.

 

[Tony_S]

Junkie named top conservative



Link Excerpt:
By a wide margin, Americans consider Rush Limbaugh the nation's most influential conservative voice. Those are the results of a poll conducted by "60 Minutes" and Vanity Fair magazine and issued Sunday. The radio whore was picked by 26 percent of those who responded, followed by Glenn Beck at 11 percent. Actual politicians - Cheney and Palin - were the choice of 10 percent each. Asked to choose from among seven presidents, Americans tapped John F. Kennedy as the one they'd like to see added to Mount Rushmore. Kennedy polled 29 percent, with Ronald Reagan second at 20 percent.

I wouldn't classify Rush Limbaugh as a conservative (a Burkean conservative). He's an entertainer and shill for his version of statism and corporatism. I remember when he was shilling for the banks last year. I can tolerate him in five minute doses. I wouldn't mind debating him on the finer points of his rhetoric. It's really easy to point out inconsistencies in his rhetoric.

 

[nodoginnafight]

William F. Buckley came off as stilted and a bit narcassistic and he wasn't a real easy read. George Will always seemed a little book-wormish - but both those guys were BRILLIANT.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Ron Reagan would be rolling over in his grave if he saw what became of his Conservative movement. The Conservative movement is becoming a bastion for racists, isolationists, secessionists and fear mongerers. The days of George Will and William F Buckley representing a conservative think tank are gone. They have been replaced in the movement by Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Hannity and Coulter.

To think that Dick Cheney is still their most viable face shows how low the movement has sank

I always thought the seeds for this turn were sown by Buckley. What Rush/Hannity/Coulter took from Buckley wasn't the skill for intelligent discourse, it was the mocking tone. The front men for the Conservative movement have become bullies and idealogues of the worst stripe.

I know while they're still the idealogical leaders, I won't associate with the Conservative movement.

Krauthammer is the quintessential Buckley wannabe imho. He just doesn't have the intellectual heft to pull it off.

 

[rightwinger]

William F. Buckley came off as stilted and a bit narcassistic and he wasn't a real easy read. George Will always seemed a little book-wormish - but both those guys were BRILLIANT.

Problem is that with todays Conservative elite they are considered intelectuals. Intelectuals are viewed as elitist and therefore liberal.

Part of the dumbing down of the Conservative movement

 

[CrusaderFrank]

William F. Buckley came off as stilted and a bit narcassistic and he wasn't a real easy read. George Will always seemed a little book-wormish - but both those guys were BRILLIANT.

Problem is that with todays Conservative elite they are considered intelectuals. Intelectuals are viewed as elitist and therefore liberal.

Part of the dumbing down of the Conservative movement

Tell me again how the Hungry CO2 Spaghetti Monster is eating all the glaciers

 

[Tony_S]

Ron Reagan would be rolling over in his grave if he saw what became of his Conservative movement. The Conservative movement is becoming a bastion for racists, isolationists, secessionists and fear mongerers. The days of George Will and William F Buckley representing a conservative think tank are gone. They have been replaced in the movement by Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Hannity and Coulter.

To think that Dick Cheney is still their most viable face shows how low the movement has sank

I always thought the seeds for this turn were sown by Buckley. What Rush/Hannity/Coulter took from Buckley wasn't the skill for intelligent discourse, it was the mocking tone. The front men for the Conservative movement have become bullies and idealogues of the worst stripe.

I know while they're still the idealogical leaders, I won't associate with the Conservative movement.

Krauthammer is the quintessential Buckley wannabe imho. He just doesn't have the intellectual heft to pull it off.

Some of the guys from the Old Right make for better reading. If you already haven't, I would check out Albert J. Nock or Frank Chodorov.

 

[nodoginnafight]

William F. Buckley came off as stilted and a bit narcassistic and he wasn't a real easy read. George Will always seemed a little book-wormish - but both those guys were BRILLIANT.

Problem is that with todays Conservative elite they are considered intelectuals. Intelectuals are viewed as elitist and therefore liberal.

Part of the dumbing down of the Conservative movement

Maybe it's just that guys like that don't come around that often. Maybe what the conservative movement is lacking is credible, intellectual leadership. Maybe it's not on purpose - maybe it's just the luck of the draw????????

Or maybe it is - as you say - a deliberate effort to weed out intellect in order to distill everything into a bumper sticker. I'll confess, I don't know. I just know it's a crying shame.