daphillenium
Member
This is one of those issues I think we're looking at in the wrong way. A lot of people complain about illegals crossing the border and stealing our jobs and using our tax dollars. I look at it a little differently....Let me explain.
First, I asked myself, Why are they coming here in the first place? Well, our media ignores it, but the fact is Mexico is a dangerous place to live with violence and poverty almost everywhere. And we have caused it. First, we have subsidized corn so much that Mexican corn farmers took a big dump. Much in the same way China is subsidizing solar panels and KILLED the solar panel manufacturing industry here in the States. Second, our drug policies fuel the cartels. Marijuana is the largest cash crop in the U.S. If we legalized it and taxed and regulated it as much as alcohol we would KILL the drug wars in Mexico. We would ship our LEGAL drugs to Mexico and make money! The cartels would die.
Anyway I went on a rant. That's why they come here. It's too dangerous for their families and they need to feed them. I personally can't blame them for something I've caused.
Now some also complain they are killing our economy by stealing our jobs and using our tax dollars.
Here's how I refute that.
They don't take the jobs that many are willing to do. See the other post about Illegals taking concrete work in this category for how I explain they aren't taking jobs in that industry. Many of the jobs they take are hard, labor intensive jobs. A lot of small business owners in the construction industry and farmers in the south can vouch for the fact they can never find good help, unless it is immigrants.
They aren't taking skilled labor jobs, technical jobs, engineering jobs, jobs that require higher education, public sector jobs like cops/firefighters/teachers/public works/etc.
Also, they aren't raping our tax system. They do pay taxes in fact. If they are here in the country illegally, they are here buying stuff. They buy all the same things we do. And guess what...they pay SALES TAX. A lot of it!
No they don't pay federal income tax, social security, or medicare. But guess what, they don't get those services! They don't get social security or medicare so guess what, they'll do that backbreaking hard work for as long as they can, and then get nothing when they "retire." (Or can't physically work anymore)
So that's just the way I look at. I personally don't have a problem with securing our borders. But if we do that then we need to fix the underlying cause of massive immigration. We caused it, we should fix it.
3 step approach.
1. Bring troops home from Afghanistan and the rest of our guys from Iraq and embassies abroad. Secure our borders across land and sea with the MASSIVE amounts of troops at our disposal. Use our defense money for DEFENSE and not world police.
2. Legalize marijuana. Tax it, Regulate it, Export it. Spend half the money were spending on the drug war now and use it to create rehab centers across the country, use the other half for the deficit.
3. Send aid to Mexico. Instead of giving billions to Egypt and other foreign countries with those in power who might not be our best interest. Send money to our closest neighbors!
Any supporters? Also I'd love to here why you wouldn't agree with this. Thanks!
First, I asked myself, Why are they coming here in the first place? Well, our media ignores it, but the fact is Mexico is a dangerous place to live with violence and poverty almost everywhere. And we have caused it. First, we have subsidized corn so much that Mexican corn farmers took a big dump. Much in the same way China is subsidizing solar panels and KILLED the solar panel manufacturing industry here in the States. Second, our drug policies fuel the cartels. Marijuana is the largest cash crop in the U.S. If we legalized it and taxed and regulated it as much as alcohol we would KILL the drug wars in Mexico. We would ship our LEGAL drugs to Mexico and make money! The cartels would die.
Anyway I went on a rant. That's why they come here. It's too dangerous for their families and they need to feed them. I personally can't blame them for something I've caused.
Now some also complain they are killing our economy by stealing our jobs and using our tax dollars.
Here's how I refute that.
They don't take the jobs that many are willing to do. See the other post about Illegals taking concrete work in this category for how I explain they aren't taking jobs in that industry. Many of the jobs they take are hard, labor intensive jobs. A lot of small business owners in the construction industry and farmers in the south can vouch for the fact they can never find good help, unless it is immigrants.
They aren't taking skilled labor jobs, technical jobs, engineering jobs, jobs that require higher education, public sector jobs like cops/firefighters/teachers/public works/etc.
Also, they aren't raping our tax system. They do pay taxes in fact. If they are here in the country illegally, they are here buying stuff. They buy all the same things we do. And guess what...they pay SALES TAX. A lot of it!
No they don't pay federal income tax, social security, or medicare. But guess what, they don't get those services! They don't get social security or medicare so guess what, they'll do that backbreaking hard work for as long as they can, and then get nothing when they "retire." (Or can't physically work anymore)
So that's just the way I look at. I personally don't have a problem with securing our borders. But if we do that then we need to fix the underlying cause of massive immigration. We caused it, we should fix it.
3 step approach.
1. Bring troops home from Afghanistan and the rest of our guys from Iraq and embassies abroad. Secure our borders across land and sea with the MASSIVE amounts of troops at our disposal. Use our defense money for DEFENSE and not world police.
2. Legalize marijuana. Tax it, Regulate it, Export it. Spend half the money were spending on the drug war now and use it to create rehab centers across the country, use the other half for the deficit.
3. Send aid to Mexico. Instead of giving billions to Egypt and other foreign countries with those in power who might not be our best interest. Send money to our closest neighbors!
Any supporters? Also I'd love to here why you wouldn't agree with this. Thanks!
