Why he won.

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    There are already warnings being issued by the losers in this election that if the new presidential administration tries to turn back the “progress” that has been made there will be consequences-In other words, gridlock and political impasse. The result of this election has pointedly displayed that the American people do not consider going in the wrong direction as progress. In fact the outcome was nothing short of a mass repudiation of the policies that have led us astray. The American people, particularly the working class just rejected following their leadership to a lower standard of living than their parents.


    We would all like to live in a globally pacified world where everyone shares the wealth and there are no wars but the working class here drew the line at turning back the clock to a time when half the population was without a full time job. This election wasn’t just a vote of no confidence for the Democrats it was a wholesale renunciation of the political establishment in the United States.


    No elected political leadership should walk so far in front of its own people that it loses sight of them. This is precisely what’s been happening in the United States since President Bill Clinton signed NAFTA into law on December 8, 1993. The North American Free Trade Agreement between the US, Canada and Mexico was the Pearl Harbor in the globalist assault on average working people in America. It was the first shot fired by the political establishment to snare blue collar citizens into the scorched earth of globalization. It should be noted here that these points were raised in 1992 by Ross Perot, a populist presidential candidate who lost to Clinton. Perot’s prediction that American corporations would abandon their own worker’s interests to exploit cheap labor in foreign countries was spot on.


    Wages, pensions, medical benefits and working conditions are the most expensive aspects of industrial participation in the US economy. As the impetus of globalization has increased American industry has fallen all over itself in a rush to regard its domestic workforce as a liability while it lavishes its resources on offshored ventures where the labor works for peanuts and working conditions are of no consideration. Hourly wages in the US have been essentially stagnant for twenty years as many employees are working more hours to make ends meet. Pensions and medical benefits are disappearing faster than phone booths-these are viewed as luxurious, unnecessary perks in India and China and American corporations agree.


    Documentary filmmaker Michael Moore who is hardly a conservative Republican had an interesting observation that was a harbinger to the outcome of this election. He accurately predicted that the President-Elect would win because of what he was hearing from the blue collar sector of the voting public in the ravaged industrialized areas of Michigan and Pennsylvania. He made this prediction in the face of overwhelming poll numbers that suggested the opposite.


    If anyone has any doubts about why the election unfolded the way it did they need to understand that it was not about ideology or racial and gender equality. It was about the right of every American to secure decent and dignified employment to work hard and find a place for themselves in the middle class. This and this alone is what put the chosen candidate for the opposition out of business because nothing was offered for change.


    The president-elect has made us a promise; he’s going to make America great again. He had the guts to get out there and voice what the people were thinking and feeling when many in the party he represents were too timid to do so. He stood his ground amid the crossfire of ridicule and the relentless attacks of a hostile press. Sometimes a leader can emerge from the most unpromising soil.


    It’s done. It will take hard work and fundamental changes. There is an emerging optimism because Americans welcome hard work, it’s in our history.
     
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    This is an excellent post! Thank you, Ray!
     
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    Spot on, I find it of particular interest that Micheal Moore, of all people, agrees. Identity politics has failed, the middle class has awoken. To quote Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto " I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant..." This is what the Left, and especially the Democrats SHOULD be telling themselves. Sadly, for them, I do not believe this is the message they have received.

    Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This election may well show that NAFTA was, indeed, the "Pearl Harbor" of the "globalist movement". I'm not sure one could point to any one event as such though, it seems to be more of a cumulative effect.
     
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    There is an argument out there that Clinton is ahead on the popular vote but that is moot for a host of reasons. Trump has already pointed out that if the election was to be decided without the electoral college he would have run his campaign differently. This gives me an idea for a piece on the electoral college and why it is important to keep it in place. But we must understand that the candidates knew what the rules of the game were before the election. When a game has rules the players play the game to win by abiding by those rules. Clinton apparently thought she could win by ignoring the rules which isn't surprising considering her history. She ended up bringing a knife to a gunfight as she dismissed battleground states.
     
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    I think the reason Trump won the election is because of misdirected rage. Sure, Trump Warriors can blame "X" for voting the way they did, but that doesn't mean it's the case.

    This vote was a victory for misinformation.

    And it wasn't even a victory. Hillary's up 1.7 million votes and counting. That's no small thing. She's nearing a landslide popular vote win with an electoral college theft.
     
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    Which means NOTHING!
     
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    Keep telling yourself that.

    What it means he has no mandate. None. He's skating on incredibly thin ice, and his inevitable spectacular failure will probably leave you avoiding this board for months.
     
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    A 2 million vote lead out of a 126 million total vote count is a landslide? (Hillary received 64 million votes. Trump 62 million) I think you should really research what the definition is of, and what constitutes, a "Landslide".

    A 1.6% lead does not a landslide make.
     
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    News Flash: We elect the POTUS via the Electoral College, get over it!!

    There is evidence the Absentee Ballots are far more than the 1.7MM and they are 63% Republican and 36% Democrat, in California alone at least 4MM have not been counted. Your argument is weak at best...
     
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