Why havent the terrorists done this?

[Waterrescuedude]

Why is it that the terrorists aren’t stealing gasoline tankers and driving them into elementary schools?

Is it because they're too stupid to think of it, or because we're doing a great job of stopping them?

terrorists get on the net too.. Why don't you just fill their heads with ideas....

Anyways I do think we are doing pretty good on our own soil at keeping an eye on them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

terrorists get on the net too.. Why don't you just fill their heads with ideas....

Quite honestly, if they havent thought of it by now, they need to be reminded to breathe...

 

[Gunny]

Quite honestly, if they havent thought of it by now, they need to be reminded to breathe...

Ummm ... why?

 

[tigerbob]

The IRA was not into mass casualties, they were into getting the Brits out of their part of a partitioned country and getting some rights. While their cause might have been ok, their methods weren't, many innocents did get hurt. Difference was, as said, that wasn't their goal, which is why they usually called minutes before a device was set to go. Very similar to ETA in Spain, which is why the RR bombings really never appeared to be that group. Nasty buggers, but not mass terrorists.

I remember being 2 minutes walk from Harrods in the early 1980's when the bomb went off there. I remember hearing the bomb go off in The Sussex pub, about 200 yards from where I worked, in the early 1990's. I remember seeing the devastation and blood, and hearing the screams of those who were injured or who had lost loved ones. I can't remember whether the IRA called in a warning before these 2 bombs or not, but I don't recall anyone at the time thinking that the IRA were not terrorists, just "nasty buggers".

The IRA set off bombs irrespective of the human cost. The IRA raised money via bank robberies and kidnapping. The IRA ordered punishment beatings (or worse) of people they considered undesirable. During what they rather disarmingly refer to as "The Troubles", the IRA killed over 1,000 members of the British Army and Police Force and about 600 civilians. These by the way are estimates from the low end of the scale - others indicate far higher loss of life. I shudder to think of the number of people that the IRA traumatised or maimed over the same period.

As to their "cause being OK", the Provisional IRA was formed when the IRA convention was agreed, in which the governments of the UK, Northern Ireland and The Republic were recognised by the IRA. Some didn't agree with this vote and broke away from the IRA to form the Provisional IRA (the "nasty buggers"). Essentially they were a minority then.

They are still a minority now. A 2005 poll found that about 60% of the population of Northern Ireland wanted to remain a part of the United Kingdom, while less that a quarter wanted a united Ireland.

I wouldn't know there to start to draw a line between "nasty buggers" and terrorists (other than to say that all terrorists are nasty buggers), but if you don't like the way a vote turned out and you decide to try and blow people up until the decision is reversed, that makes you a terrorist in my book.

 

[Annie]

I remember being 2 minutes walk from Harrods in the early 1980's when the bomb went off there. I remember hearing the bomb go off in The Sussex pub, about 200 yards from where I worked, in the early 1990's. I remember seeing the devastation and blood, and hearing the screams of those who were injured or who had lost loved ones. I can't remember whether the IRA called in a warning before these 2 bombs or not, but I don't recall anyone at the time thinking that the IRA were not terrorists, just "nasty buggers".

The IRA set off bombs irrespective of the human cost. The IRA raised money via bank robberies and kidnapping. The IRA ordered punishment beatings (or worse) of people they considered undesirable. During what they rather disarmingly refer to as "The Troubles", the IRA killed over 1,000 members of the British Army and Police Force and about 600 civilians. These by the way are estimates from the low end of the scale - others indicate far higher loss of life. I shudder to think of the number of people that the IRA traumatised or maimed over the same period.

As to their "cause being OK", the Provisional IRA was formed when the IRA convention was agreed, in which the governments of the UK, Northern Ireland and The Republic were recognised by the IRA. Some didn't agree with this vote and broke away from the IRA to form the Provisional IRA (the "nasty buggers"). Essentially they were a minority then.

They are still a minority now. A 2005 poll found that about 60% of the population of Northern Ireland wanted to remain a part of the United Kingdom, while less that a quarter wanted a united Ireland.

I wouldn't know there to start to draw a line between "nasty buggers" and terrorists (other than to say that all terrorists are nasty buggers), but if you don't like the way a vote turned out and you decide to try and blow people up until the decision is reversed, that makes you a terrorist in my book.

I don't know of the official definition of terrorist, but to my mind it's when an individual/group has their main focus on killing/maiming the largest possible number of civilians in order to force their agenda. The focus is on the means, not the ends. Timothy McVeigh fits my definition.

That was the point I was trying to make above. ETA and IRA in the main tried to keep civilian casualties down.

 

[tigerbob]

I don't know of the official definition of terrorist, but to my mind it's when an individual/group has their main focus on killing/maiming the largest possible number of civilians in order to force their agenda. The focus is on the means, not the ends. Timothy McVeigh fits my definition.

That was the point I was trying to make above. ETA and IRA in the main tried to keep civilian casualties down.

I understand the distinction, I just find it hard to agree that those who would prefer it if less people were killed but go ahead and detonate the bomb anyway are somehow less.......repugnant I guess is the word, than those who are unconcerned about civilian casualties.

It could be argued that if one has an understanding of the distress one is going to cause by bombing in civilian areas then one is almost more heartless than someone who places no value on any human life, including their own.

That's a philosophical argument however and I won't pretend to have thought about it at any great length.

 

[Annie]

I understand the distinction, I just find it hard to agree that those who would prefer it if less people were killed but go ahead and detonate the bomb anyway are somehow less.......repugnant I guess is the word, than those who are unconcerned about civilian casualties.

It could be argued that if one has an understanding of the distress one is going to cause by bombing in civilian areas then one is almost more heartless than someone who places no value on any human life, including their own.

That's a philosophical argument however and I won't pretend to have thought about it at any great length.

I agree and here in all likelihood those IRA members caught would have been facing the death penalty anyways.

 

[eots]

so the fact the IRA is white,,does not taint your opinion...right ?

 

[Annie]

so the fact the IRA is white,,does not taint your opinion...right ?

Not at all.

 

[steeliniraq]

lets see....because the whole Bogey man terrorist thing is for the most part a sham designed to limit freedoms and exploit foreign and domestic resources for their own profit and power ?

Lets see here. Somolia, Kenya, Iraq, Kuwait, Phill., countless airliners, U.S.S. Cole, Beruit, 9-11, ect. and the terrorist say every chance they get how they will kill us if given the chance and still it is so rich men can become richer and freedoms can be limited? WOW!!! Please never reproduce!!!!

During war rich men always become richer!! That is a fact but to say terrorism is for the most part a sham for the mentioned reasons is retarted! Did the rich men and I am just guessing you mean Bush and Co. make the terrorist crash planes into the WTC, pentagon, and PA? Yes or No? It's that simple!

 

[eots]

Lets see here. Somolia, Kenya, Iraq, Kuwait, Phill., countless airliners, U.S.S. Cole, Beruit, 9-11, ect. and the terrorist say every chance they get how they will kill us if given the chance and still it is so rich men can become richer and freedoms can be limited? WOW!!! Please never reproduce!!!!

During war rich men always become richer!! That is a fact but to say terrorism is for the most part a sham for the mentioned reasons is retarted! Did the rich men and I am just guessing you mean Bush and Co. make the terrorist crash planes into the WTC, pentagon, and PA? Yes or No? It's that simple!

to someone rasised on fox news sound bites its that simple....





Panel Prepares to Target Bogus "Homegrown Terror"
Kurt Nimmo | December 26, 2007

On December 25, Audrey Hudson wrote for the Washington Times :

A commission proposed by key senators would study the emergence of homegrown terrorists and how U.S. citizens become radicalized through ideologies to commit acts of violence.

The National Commission on the Prevention of Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism is the brainchild of Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut independent and chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, the ranking Republican member.

"The homeland security committee's extensive and ongoing investigation into homegrown terrorism has confirmed to our committee that this is a real and growing threat to our nation's security," Miss Collins said.

"The attacks in London and Madrid, as well as the recent thwarted attacks in the U.S., were the work of homegrown terrorists inspired by, but not directly linked, to al Qaeda," Miss Collins said. "But we do not yet fully understand what inspires someone to become a violent terrorist.

Senator Collins has absolutely no evidence of this and simply regurgitates the now official fairy tale version of events in regard to the attacks in London and Madrid.


In London, the so-called "homegrown terrorist," Mohammed Siddique Khan, allegedly behind the bombings was in fact working for MI5, as revealed by Charles Shoebridge, a 12-year veteran detective of the London Metropolitan Police. As the UK Independent noted soon after the bombings, the official story makes absolutely no sense. And yet another supposed homegrowner, Haroon Rashid Aswat, was an MI6 intelligence asset protected by British security, according to terror expert John Loftus .

It should serve as a big fat red flag that José Emilio Suárez Trashorras, a Spaniard accused of providing explosives for the Madrid attacks, had in his possession the telephone number of the Head of Tedax, Juan Jesus Sanchez Manzano. Tedax is Spain's Civil Guard bomb squad, a specialized division of the Spanish police. In addition, the Moroccan Jamal Zougam, said to be the leader of Spain's al-Qaida cell, was connected to Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri and London's Finsbury Park Mosque. Abu Hamza al-Masri admitted during his trial on terrorism charges that "he had met several times with police officers and members of the MI5 spy service," according to the Associated Press. As it turns out, al-Muhajiroun, and thus al-Masri, are connected to British, U.S., Pakistani, and German intelligence, and worked for NATO in Kosovo.

But not a word about any of this from the good senator. Instead we get the following: "If we have a better understanding of the origins of violent extremist behavior, we can disrupt terrorist plans."

If Collins really wants to understand "violent extremist behavior," she might do a bit of consulting with the CIA, FBI, MI5 and MI6, Israeli, Pakistani and German intelligence.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and others in the intelligence community have warned the committee that homegrown terrorism is a significant threat.

A bipartisan commission would provide "a better understanding of the radicalization process that leads to terrorist attacks, and ways that we can work to help prevent terror attacks before they occur," Miss Collins said.

The commission would examine how ideology can cause radicalization leading to violence and then report its findings and recommendations to the president and Congress.

In fact, the "significant threat" comes from the above mentioned "intelligence" and "security" organizations, not homegrowners inspired by al-Qaeda, itself a documented intelligence contrivance.

As if to underscore the bogus nature of the homegrown terrorist threat, consider the fact that a jury has acquitted one of the Liberty City 7, Lyglenson Lemorin, and failed to convict the other six.

"The judge declared a mistral on all unresolved charges," writes Emmanuel Lopez . The "seven men from the critically impoverished South Florida community of Liberty City were never connected to any maps, written plans or weapons that could back these overzealous claims." In fact, all of this "evidence" was arranged by the FBI and an agent provocateur. "The warehouse where the group allegedly was hatching their plot was paid for and provided by the FBI… It was a government informant who provided the initial suggestion that they join with Al-Qaeda. The informant provided them with a camera and car to photograph buildings in Miami… Two informants, who were paid $130,000 dollars to work on the case, have questionable pasts. One informant, a former snitch for the New York Police Department, promised to work against the Liberty City 7 to overcome charges of beating his girlfriend."

Obviously, the government should be setting up a national commission to investigate the criminal behavior of the FBI, not illusory homegrown terrorists inspired by a fictional terror organization named after a Mujahideen database.

But never mind. As we know, the real purpose of the National Commission on the Prevention of Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism, hatched by a known AIPAC operative, senator Joe Lieberman, is to investigate political activity frowned upon by the government, for instance the antiwar and patriot movements.

 

[Annie]

to someone rasised on fox news sound bites its that simple....





Panel Prepares to Target Bogus "Homegrown Terror"
Kurt Nimmo | December 26, 2007

On December 25, Audrey Hudson wrote for the Washington Times :

A commission proposed by key senators would study the emergence of homegrown terrorists and how U.S. citizens become radicalized through ideologies to commit acts of violence.

The National Commission on the Prevention of Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism is the brainchild of Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut independent and chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, the ranking Republican member.

"The homeland security committee's extensive and ongoing investigation into homegrown terrorism has confirmed to our committee that this is a real and growing threat to our nation's security," Miss Collins said.

"The attacks in London and Madrid, as well as the recent thwarted attacks in the U.S., were the work of homegrown terrorists inspired by, but not directly linked, to al Qaeda," Miss Collins said. "But we do not yet fully understand what inspires someone to become a violent terrorist.

Senator Collins has absolutely no evidence of this and simply regurgitates the now official fairy tale version of events in regard to the attacks in London and Madrid.


In London, the so-called "homegrown terrorist," Mohammed Siddique Khan, allegedly behind the bombings was in fact working for MI5, as revealed by Charles Shoebridge, a 12-year veteran detective of the London Metropolitan Police. As the UK Independent noted soon after the bombings, the official story makes absolutely no sense. And yet another supposed homegrowner, Haroon Rashid Aswat, was an MI6 intelligence asset protected by British security, according to terror expert John Loftus .

It should serve as a big fat red flag that José Emilio Suárez Trashorras, a Spaniard accused of providing explosives for the Madrid attacks, had in his possession the telephone number of the Head of Tedax, Juan Jesus Sanchez Manzano. Tedax is Spain's Civil Guard bomb squad, a specialized division of the Spanish police. In addition, the Moroccan Jamal Zougam, said to be the leader of Spain's al-Qaida cell, was connected to Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri and London's Finsbury Park Mosque. Abu Hamza al-Masri admitted during his trial on terrorism charges that "he had met several times with police officers and members of the MI5 spy service," according to the Associated Press. As it turns out, al-Muhajiroun, and thus al-Masri, are connected to British, U.S., Pakistani, and German intelligence, and worked for NATO in Kosovo.

But not a word about any of this from the good senator. Instead we get the following: "If we have a better understanding of the origins of violent extremist behavior, we can disrupt terrorist plans."

If Collins really wants to understand "violent extremist behavior," she might do a bit of consulting with the CIA, FBI, MI5 and MI6, Israeli, Pakistani and German intelligence.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and others in the intelligence community have warned the committee that homegrown terrorism is a significant threat.

A bipartisan commission would provide "a better understanding of the radicalization process that leads to terrorist attacks, and ways that we can work to help prevent terror attacks before they occur," Miss Collins said.

The commission would examine how ideology can cause radicalization leading to violence and then report its findings and recommendations to the president and Congress.

In fact, the "significant threat" comes from the above mentioned "intelligence" and "security" organizations, not homegrowners inspired by al-Qaeda, itself a documented intelligence contrivance.

As if to underscore the bogus nature of the homegrown terrorist threat, consider the fact that a jury has acquitted one of the Liberty City 7, Lyglenson Lemorin, and failed to convict the other six.

"The judge declared a mistral on all unresolved charges," writes Emmanuel Lopez . The "seven men from the critically impoverished South Florida community of Liberty City were never connected to any maps, written plans or weapons that could back these overzealous claims." In fact, all of this "evidence" was arranged by the FBI and an agent provocateur. "The warehouse where the group allegedly was hatching their plot was paid for and provided by the FBI… It was a government informant who provided the initial suggestion that they join with Al-Qaeda. The informant provided them with a camera and car to photograph buildings in Miami… Two informants, who were paid $130,000 dollars to work on the case, have questionable pasts. One informant, a former snitch for the New York Police Department, promised to work against the Liberty City 7 to overcome charges of beating his girlfriend."

Obviously, the government should be setting up a national commission to investigate the criminal behavior of the FBI, not illusory homegrown terrorists inspired by a fictional terror organization named after a Mujahideen database.

But never mind. As we know, the real purpose of the National Commission on the Prevention of Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism, hatched by a known AIPAC operative, senator Joe Lieberman, is to investigate political activity frowned upon by the government, for instance the antiwar and patriot movements.

Since that is a cut and paste, do you have a link?

 

[jillian]

Since that is a cut and paste, do you have a link?

He doesn't believe in links. They're a conspiracy to thwart his ability to plagarize. And, apparently, he doesn't much care for board rules about that. But whatever...

 

[eots]

He doesn't believe in links. They're a conspiracy to thwart his ability to plagarize. And, apparently, he doesn't much care for board rules about that. But whatever...

the date of the article and writer a clearly shown so where do you get off with your accusations of plagiarism you stupid...




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[Steerpike]

It is still copyright infringement to reproduce the article, whether the date and author are shown or not. I imagine that is what the web site terms of use are getting at.

 

[eots]

It is still copyright infringement to reproduce the article, whether the date and author are shown or not. I imagine that is what the web site terms of use are getting at.

still it has nothing to do with plagiarism