Why have a standing Army Policy?

[Sallow]

Allahu Fuckbar.

Are you mocking islam?

No, why would I mock the religion of peace?

Religion like racism is best kept personal.

Either is a terrible way to construct laws or govern.

 

[daveman]

It doesn't matter who runs for congress or whatever, Shariah is on its way. Once the US allows Shariah courts into their system it will spread throughout the country and engulf it in the warm grasp of Islam.

Sharia is incompatible with the Constitution, freedom, and civilization. You're going to be disappointed.

Correct which is why the Constitution, freedom and civilization will be pushed aside and America will feel the warm embrace of Shariah Islam.

You have no chance. Our women will kick your ass.

 

[Cain]

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Another part of this problem is most of the money is not spent in the United States, it goes to foreign corporations like Haliburton who deposit in Saudi Arabia banks, so their bankers can loan to Arab sheiks to build islands to stick houses on. When a welfare mama spends, it goes to a US store for food, etc., it circulates in the economy when the store uses the money to buy food, or goes into the bank so you can borrow it to build that pool in your back yard that put workers on the job. See the difference? Same when we hand out foreign aid, or corporate aid, etc. Corporations for instance run advertising in foreign countries at your expense, using foreigners, and not a dime is spent here. So that is why social programs for our own people is not as big a hit on us, and the money stays here. Take Obama stimulus that hires a worker for $20. an hour. He pays back in $7., so he actually only cost us $13. dollars. The overseas worker pays no US taxes, he pays Afghan taxes which doesn't stimulate anything at home.

This is the core reason, if we are going to make budget cuts, make it to items that are not benefitting the American people.

* Source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html & http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy11/pdf/budget/defense.pdf & Federal Budget Spending and the National Debt
** Source: DoD 101 An Introductory Overview of the Department of Defense - U.S. Department of Defense Official Website

#1: Hi Cain. The 2009 figure was prepared by the University of Berkeley, as well as the graph shown here.

#2: "Military embraces all it's spending, so homeland security, cia/fbi, VA & disabled & retirements, etc. If you are using that argument, it is insane. Murdering humans to save jobs? LMAO!!! sorry....."

#3: If we were the target, we would have already been hit. IMO. It takes more than a thought to justify 54% of the budget. And I left the militia & National Guard activated, so allowed -10% credit, and saying at 90% cut and more if possible. Further, the US has been cutting bases and military since George Bush Sr.. There is no way anyone could attack us by a major force, other than nuke, and they have that option now.

#4: Guess you didn't understand that US Troops means US Troops on US Soil. Let the UN do their job, and stop playing policeman at great expense of tax payers & US Troops. Just stand on the side line, keep your nose out of others affairs, and yell Go Man Go! Whenever you see the military budget for a given year, know tht the figure only represents about 1/3 or so of what is needed. They are always back at the trough in 3-4 months for more, just milking away.

To #1: Hmm, I am seeing other graphs shown that show differently, what exactly is the big X for? Also, do you have a graph for the 2010 budget?

To #2: No offense, but that isn't the mission of the US Military. Their mission is to protect and defend the Constutition. I had to take that oath, and I believe it, yes their is corruption, but that is life and its everywhere. I do not see how murdering people can create more jobs, war can create jobs, conflicts can, but the murder rate I do not see how that relates. I could see how a large war could cause a draft, which would create jobs, but not plain murder.

To #3: I am afraid to say I bet the US Government thought the same thing pre-ww2. Then the Japanese surprise attacked Pearl Harbor. We are a target, that is a fact of the world. 9/11 wasn't random, it was a target. Same for other terrorist attacks, and if those same people had the military backing, they would have been much larger scale I would think.

To #4: I am not arguing that the budget is a large sum to the DoD, but you do realize, if we leave NATO or the UN, that we would lose relationships within it, and also probably the credibility of many other nations? Also, you cannot just "pull" out troops, it takes planning, their are US Troops everywhere, I mean the Air Force alone has 13 bases outside of the US. Let's say that it's just 10,000 Airman per base, not counting civilian contractors, etc, that is 130,000 people to bring back to the US and then, if the 90% cut is done, laid off. That isn't counting the civilian employees laid off, which the US employees quite a amount of, even for security at bases.

The US Military does benefit the American people though. It sure benefits me. I get to do a job I have always wanted, I get my college paid for, and I have a career path set for the next 20 or more years. It does that for many others, gives them the ability to go to college, learn respect and discipline, to become better human beings.

#5.I understand the budget cut, to a extent. 90% sounds radical, I could see 10-25%, if that, but 90% would be basically laying off the largest employer in the US and making unemployment now look like a joke compared to then. I am not claiming to know everything, but laying off that many people, all of whom have signed contracts, sounds rough & a bad idea.

Also, it isn't easy to get in the military either. I had to go to MEPS and if you even whispered the word "hospital" or "injury" you where automatically sent to a doctor who would quiz you for no joke, at least a hour, on everything wrong ever happened to you. MEPS culls out a lot of people. I went to MEPS in Memphis, Tennessee, out of 105, 31 people where kicked out at MEPS alone. That isn't counting the drop-outs from the DEP, and the one's who fail Basic.

Please if you reply to my posts, don't quote over quote, it makes it impossible to quote yours on my quote button, I do not know why, rather strange. Thanks.

1.I suppose it is just more of the defense items, as you will see in several of these graphs and in the quote stating the military spends over 1/2 the budget.

Current Military
$965 billion:
• Military Personnel $129 billion
• Operation & Maint. $241 billion
• Procurement $143 billion
• Research & Dev. $79 billion
• Construction $15 billion
• Family Housing $3 billion
• DoD misc. $4 billion
• Retired Pay $70 billion
• DoE nuclear weapons $17 billion
• NASA (50%) $9 billion
• International Security $9 billion
• Homeland Secur. (military) $35 billion
• State Dept. (partial) $6 billion
• other military (non-DoD) $5 billion
• “Global War on Terror” $200 billion [We added $162 billion to the last item to supplement the Budget’s grossly underestimated $38 billion in “allowances” to be spent in 2009 for the “War on Terror,” which includes the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan]

Past Military,
$484 billion:
• Veterans’ Benefits $94 billion
• Interest on national debt (80%) created by military spending, $390 billion

Linked. The Military Receives 54% of the US Federal Budget


"The US Federal Budget for 2010 was released today, February 26,2009. This article focuses primarily on the discretionary spending. Of the discretionary budget, roughly half of spending goes to the US Department of Defense with the remaining money divided among 22 other departments."

2.I agree with you. The other guy was trying to say it is the national interest, so that he can argue a right to murder troops in the ME where we don't belong. It doesn't create jobs here, per say. It creates jobs in the ME for thousands of contractors. IF troops are dying outside of America, you can bet they are dying for corporations. It is just that clear and simple. I call it murder.

3.When you stop playing policeman and mind your own business, people will leave you alone. All countries are a target, but not for any large scale war that would require US Troops. You can deal with terrorists just like Clinton said, with the FBI. People can spend their lives in unwarranted paranoia, and spend all their money one to point the American are spending there way in debt, and we are the biggest debtor nation on the globe. Time to start thinking a new way, and enjoying life instead of death.

4.I don't argue to leave NATO or the UN. I argue to reduce our US troops to a 90% budget. So make the choice to reduce the budget & plan to leave for American soil. We can put them to work on several socialist plans I have lined up for them to benefit America and restart the economy. Let the civilians get a non-military job.You should be getting a free education and a clear career path, and that doesn't mean we need a military. Want power, go to work for the police department or a prison.

#5.It won't sound radical when your pocket is jingling with your own money again. We can bring them home and put them to work on socialist projects. Build a grand canal and fortified wall on our southern border, round up the illegals & deport them, build 300 nuclear & desaltination plants on our three coast lines, build a glass highway, build water ways across the most barren lands of America and start farm lands and citys. The military would make a good work crew for that, and later deploy them to guard the Southern wall and three beach heads of America.

Not sure why you are telling me about how hard it is to get in the military. When they want people, they let anyone in. ie. nam

Thanks for the graphs, although I do notice most of the links go back to anti-military spending websites it seems. Do you have any .gov sources? Just wondering, not asking to make you bring any, not trying to make you have to search for crap.

#2: Well, I seen a documentary on mercenaries, and they DO make a lot, but they also go in usually without a real backup plan. Such as, for example, let's say a contingency of Marines are sent in, and then suddenly pinned down by far from all sides, well they will send in help (probably from all branches, whomever is closest) to rescue them and help them defeat the enemy. Mercs go in, and usually do not have any backup.

#3: I would prefer to look at other things to cut beside defense budget, at least, 90% seems insane to me, no matter how you put it. The US Military has so many employees it is insane to think all of them suddenly getting "laid off" especially if it meant losing the benefits (MGI Bill, P9/11 GI Bill, etc).

#4: No offense, but you do realize projects only last so long, and the fact is, thousands upon thousands would be coming back? I mean, you can't just give them a temporary job and think that is going to solve their un-employment. Plus, what if they decide they don't agree with you? I mean, I don't know about you, but I'd hate to have a civil war because of a 90% cut, and yes I could see that happening, some people seriously want to be in the military as a lifer (me).

#5: A glass highway? What? Some of that sounds good, but do you realize how much would it cost to build these things, and how much crap you'd have to go through in politics to get even a few approved? It would take decades to get half that stuff done, if it ever gets done that is. I mean, I understand where your going, but it doesn't seem feasible to do this 90% cutt. 10-20% I can see, to an extent, but 90% is like saying we are going to get rid of, well a department of the US Government.

No, not true. I had a friend who was color-blind and played college football, and wanted to volunteer (he also got called fro the draft 3 days after volunteering haha) and they would not allow him in for being color-blind, no joke. I am sure they are way more lenient then, but to be honest, from what I have had to go through just to get into the DEP, right now, getting in is not near as easy as most think. You can't just "join" you "process" then if your health history is basically perfect, you get in the DEP, then you wait for your job (unless your US Army) and if you don't get it, tough shit you go to Basic in a general category where you could be Security Forces, Cyber Security, I mean it's insane.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Sharia is incompatible with the Constitution, freedom, and civilization. You're going to be disappointed.

Correct which is why the Constitution, freedom and civilization will be pushed aside and America will feel the warm embrace of Shariah Islam.

You have no chance. Our women will kick your ass.

I don't think she would need a gun to bring a man down.

 

[Bullfighter]

I think the best military policy for America right now is to bring all of our US troops home, and cut the Military budget by about 95%, just enough to keep the lights on and maintain equipment. The military represents over 50% of the budget (50-54%).

Then start depending on volunteer militia and National Guard from the states for any in country defense, and forget any outside country which is the jurisdiction of the UN.

Why not start billing countries that we saved in all the wars of the 20th Century? Hey! Did Russia pay us back for all the stuff we sent them to fight the Nazis? Did Latin America pay us for fighting their share of "WORLD" War 1 and 2?

Make em pay and we'll have enough to feed poor Americans.

 

[mudwhistle]

It doesn't matter who runs for congress or whatever, Shariah is on its way. Once the US allows Shariah courts into their system it will spread throughout the country and engulf it in the warm grasp of Islam.

Sharia is incompatible with the Constitution, freedom, and civilization. You're going to be disappointed.

Correct which is why the Constitution, freedom and civilization will be pushed aside and America will feel the warm embrace of Shariah Islam.

Which is exactly the reason we maintain a standing Army.

 

[editec]

Obviously we need to a standing military for defence.

And since we're about the business of building an empire for our corporate masters, and are defending a LOT of fireign soil in the process, we need a hell of a LOT more military than if our geopoltical mission was different.

So the question is: DO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TRULY BENEFIT FROM THE EMPIRE BUILDING THAT OUR MILITARY MOSTLY DEFENDS?

I think certainly to some extent we surely do.

I think we're paying WAY too much for what benefits we get, though.

And I think in the long run the costs cannot be justified from a purely nationalistic POV.

 

[daveman]

Correct which is why the Constitution, freedom and civilization will be pushed aside and America will feel the warm embrace of Shariah Islam.

You have no chance. Our women will kick your ass.

I don't think she would need a gun to bring a man down.

I'd say the enjoys her clitoris, and doesn't want any barbarians cutting it off.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You have no chance. Our women will kick your ass.

I don't think she would need a gun to bring a man down.

I'd say the enjoys her clitoris, and doesn't want any barbarians cutting it off.

I have no doubt about that.