why government should never perform private enterprise functions

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    Here's 2 real world concrete examples of why government sucks and should never perform private enterprise functions:

    World Trade Center Redevelopment. The NY and NJ Port Authority, an organization that outlived its usefulness after WWI has control of the redevelopment of the WTC site. Larry Silverstein, a private developer had control of a site immediately next door, he's built and fully occupied. But because unionized government workers benefit the longer it takes to build and the more it costs, the PA site is years late and billions overbudget. Who pays for it? Does the PA have to come out of its pocket to make up the difference? No! The suckers, that is the taxpayers, pay for it.

    The NY MTA controls Grand Central Station, one of the busiest commuter hubs on the planet. They are the landlord, they handle leasing the space. Apple computer just signed a lease there for $80/foot and no percentage rent, that's right NO percentage rent and less than half the going rate for the space. There is not a private real estate investor or landlord that would remain in business longer than a day if they operated like that, but because the MTA Commuter and the taxpayer make up the difference we get to pay for their criminal incompetence. Also, the commuter railroad run by the MTA, has no business class, no wifi, not even seats with cup holders and to top it off, because its run by morons in unions, half the seat face backward.

    PA and MTA should be privatized.

    True story.
     
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    wow... true story huh? Ok... where's the proof that it's because of "unionized" employees? First off, I call bullshit on that Premise because Unionized Public Employees get paid no matter what job they are doing. I'd blame the fucking contractors milking the job out to boost their profits.

    BTW... does the Port Authority do the construction, or do they contract it out to a PRIVATE SECTOR contractor, who is taking advantage of the PA and the Taxpayers? The PA does not have the personnel to work such a big project and do their regular duties.

    You sir, are dishonest.
     
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    :lol:

    Unions had very little to do with the WTC "speed". It was more the families of the victims..because they wanted to turn the whole site into a monument.

    And private organizations involved in transportation..don't do very well.

    SEE: American Airlines.
     
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    If any government entity is involved in something it simply becomes a matter of degree of the screwup(s).
     
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    No, honey, in the real world, the contractors are hired by the owner and they sign a contract that has a price and timeline. If the contractor fucks up it costs him.

    Larry Silverstein hired Tishman to build 7WTC, Darling heart, and he got it build on time and not years and years behind schedule and billions over budget
     
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    where's the proof that it's because of "unionized" employees? First off, I call bullshit on that Premise because Unionized Public Employees get paid no matter if they work or not.
     
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    Rode in today on the MTA and had the pleasure of sitting in the 3-across seats that face each other and are about 14 inches apart. Yes grown ups facing each other and having to arrange their legs like we're in a porno movie. Felt like the same seating plan you'd find in the old USSR.
     
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    Private enterprise operates (gasp) for profit. Therefore they have every incentive to be as efficient and cost-saving as possible.
    Public enterprise operates for political purposes. Therefore they have little to no incentive to be efficient and cost saving.
    If a manager in a private company screws up and costs the company millions, he gets fired.
    If a manager in a public entity screws up and costs them millions, he requests an increase in his budget for the next year.
     
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    "As in previous years, the 2010 Port Authority payroll reflects extraordinarily high pay levels, even by the standards of the region's quasi-autonomous public authorities. For example:
    • The 7,345 employees received average base salaries of $79,144. But overtime and other extras inflated the average total pay to over $90,000.
    • Fully 36 percent of the authority's employees were paid a total of more than $100,000.
    • The 100 highest-paid employees included 54 police officers, 24 of whom were paid over $200,000 each. "

    Port Authority of NY & NJ Among the Most Generous of the Region's Large Public-Sector Employers - Public Sector Inc. Forum
     
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    The PA works like Jon Corzines firm

    "For years, top management scrambled to cover up the budget-busting numbers.
    "Everybody knew that it wasn't the full numbers," one expert on PA finances said. "Everybody knew the numbers were off from the start."


    Read more: WTC cost overruns led to massive PA toll hike - NYPOST.com
     

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