Why GOP Is So Afraid Of Obama

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    Yes, they call him a commie, the most left senator even a Muslim, but what really scares these people is the fact that he will probably be a pretty good president. After Bush they do not want a competent, intelligent and energenic president to show the world how the job should really be done. They would rather sit and bitch and moan and complain about all politicians than admit that the clown they loved so much was such a collasial failure, and Obama is just more proof of that.

    Go Obama, show them what a real leader can do!
     
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    He's not a conservative so they shake in fear...
     
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    Actually as a republican, I'm not afraid of Obama at all. The only thing about Obama that makes me not want to vote for him , is his record does not match his image. His image is processed and packaged for YOU the voter . He takes no position other than ones that the polls say are the right ones to take. So in that respect, as a leader it just tells me he is a follower. We do not need " smooth talking followers" in the White House, that accept large amounts of cash from the very same people who he is calling for large tax increases on because he his one of you and feels your pain. I see Obama as a LOT like Jimmy Carter, in his policies and manner, and thats not surprising as one of his top economic advisors is a former Carter Administration official. Too many young people , do not remember Carter to well, but they soon will, dream fondly of the days of unemployment over 11.% and interests rates above 15% and inflation at 18% and a president that sat in the White House for over 400 days and did NOTHING while americans were paraded around on TV nightly as hostages in Iran. Carter, was a nice guy, but nice guys don't make nice presidents. and Obama is a lot like him in many respects. Populist message, great socialist giveaways, withdrawing from the world stage, and high taxation. So fear? no thats not the right word, it's more like, *laughter* that the democratic party would nominate someone like Obama, and if he does win, ceed the White House to the Republican Party for another 12 years after that. You think you would have learned you lesson by now, but I suppose not.
     
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    I think Obama's stated policies would spell economic disaster on a scale that will make our current problems seem like the good old days.

    And yes I am very afraid of that.
     
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    Oh, I am glad that McCain is so fucking consitant. What a dilbert remark.

    Hmm, maybe if I get a skirt to run with me, it will help. Get a life.


    And no, no one could screw up this country worse than the current Clown in Charge.
     
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    Don't like the remark, as I said , many times in the past ray, prove me wrong, prove how Obama has gone against his own party on an issue on a consistant basis because the Bill or idea before him was the right thing to do? Wait, thats right he voted with his own party 97% of the time. Oh, I almost forgot, what did he say the other day when asked about his policy on the economy? I'm going to wait and see what George Bush does first. Told you before, the truth maybe be hard to hear, for you as an Obama supporter, and I understand that, but it's hardly stupid. Oh and guess what your retort to come, about him voting with George Bush 90% of the time, guess what? He's been in the Senate a bit longer than George Bush has been president, so that retort doesn't work on me. The real number for him is 77%. As for George Bush himself, vs. Obama as a republican hopefully we will never get the chance, but if he does, I wouldn't count on that if I were you.
     
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    He's an intelligent man. That will be a refreshing change from Bush or McCain
     
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    we're ALL Democrats now.

    McCain has turned overnight into a champion of regulation and government oversight of corporations and wall street; McCain is railing against tax breaks and coddling of oil companies; McCain just gave a speech in Michigan favorably quoting Franklin Roosevelt- My jaw hit the floor-, a republican trying to link himself to FDR.

    The GOP is prentending that they don't know Bush, and neither bush nor cheney were invited to their convention
     
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    Total misrepresentation of Obama's views and Jimmy Carter. Carter had the misfortune to be president when Paul Voulker tried to stop inflation by raising interest rates. Carter tried to rescue the hostages, but the mission failed because two of the helicopters collided in the night.

    George Bush is the biggest socialist in the history of the United States. He just turned Wall Street into a publicly owned company.
     
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    I never said Obama was not intelligent, however if you measure intelligence by the fact that he is a Harvard Law Graduate, just remember we have a Harvard graduate in the White House right now. As for John McCain, the last time I checked, he was not the man sitting in the White House the last 7 1/2 years, and is in my opinion is on par with Obama if not a little more intelligent because his life experience is so vastly more in depth that Obama's. That's taking nothing away from Obama, but I don't feel that his decisions don't show any maturity and thought when he makes them, which is a sign of someone that is not experienced. Let me cite you an example, On Monday, you will agree that the stock market too a big dive, on that same day Obama, on the campaign trail was backing up Joe Biden's gaffe about having the wealthy pitch in with more taxes so that they can be more patriotic, knowing that or perhaps not, that a president on a word can effect the markets in this country. It shows a deep lack of understanding and maturity on his part, and as a president especially now, that is the NOT the kind of person that we need in the White House.
     
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    Bush and Cheney were both invited to the convention. They didn't attend due to the HURRICANE...Bush gave his speech via satellite TV.
    .....or did you convienintly forget that little fact :cuckoo:
     
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    Bush graduated from Yale and was an alcoholic for 20 years. He fried his brain.

    Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School and has no chemical dependencies.

    Big difference.
     
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    No it's not a misrepresentation of Obama at all, Obama and Carter a LOT a like in policy and proposals. and on Carter..

    During Carter's administration, the economy suffered double-digit inflation, coupled with very high interest rates, oil shortages, high unemployment and slow economic growth. Productivity growth in the United States had declined to an average annual rate of 1 percent, compared to 3.2 percent of the 1960s. There was also a growing federal budget deficit which increased to 66 billion dollars.

    Led by Volcker, the Federal Reserve raised the discount rate from 10 percent when Volcker assumed the chairmanship in August 1979 to 12 percent within two months.[38] The prime rate hit 21.5 percent in December 1980, the highest rate in U.S. history under any President.

    As for the Hostage rescue attempt, it was a CH-53 that hit a C-130 not two helicopters. When Carter was told that the mission could proceed , he aborted it.

    As for the comparison:

    Carter signed legislation greatly increasing the payroll tax for Social Security, and taxes for other social programs, sound like someone else? He and Obama are a LOT a like in many ways, domestically and foreign policy wise.

    Lets not forget some of his more notable highlights, like his pardon for Vietnam era draft dodgers, and his Panama Canal Giveaway. As well as the hostage crisis.

    Obama - raise taxes on energy, and high mean incomes to pay for social spending.

    Carter - same thing except he took it one step further and raised Social Security taxes as well.

    Obama - bottoms up review and cut military spending to pay for social spending.

    Carter - same thing, more notable efforts was canceling the B-1 Bomber and delaying the program for another 10 years.

    Obama - conserve energy as a one method to end our dependence on foreign oil

    Carter - same thing, implemented the 55 mph speed limit on US highways as well as many many other programs to try to accomplish the same goal.


    So You want me to continue , or do you see a pattern here?
     
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    Chris really? I'm not a fan of George W. Bush but seriously , George W. Bush has an MBA from Harvard. and Obama has a Law degree from Harvard.

    George W. Bush: A Who2 Profile

    Obama by his own admission is an admitted, drinker, pot smoker, and cocaine user. He was so for most of his undergraduate time at Columbia. In his book, he even said the only reason he didn't use heroin is because his dealer could not get it. So Chris, if I apply your logic to Obama then I suppose by that logic Obama would be fried too yes?
     
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    What about his opposition to the war in Iraq? That was VERY unpopular even in the Democratic party.
     
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    He's changed on that too Richard, want to know how? I'll tell you, In 2002 He said the War in Iraq was a mistake at a Chicago anti-war rally. While I will give you credit that he has always said that, his position on a timeline for withdrawal has been constantly moving. In 2005 in a house floor speech it was 2007, all throughout the democratic primaries it was 2009, after his trip to Iraq it was again changed to "the conditions on the ground" and will withdraw 1 or two brigades a month until we are out. , However it may not be until 2010. His last speech in Fl. indicated that Iraq was a quagmire that we will be out of hopefully after 7 1/2 years of war. there. Now initially within the democratic party with the exception of Ted Kennedy and a few others his stance was quite different admittedly. However, in the last 4 years since that night at the DNC in 2004 when he was crowned as the quote " NEW ROCK STAR" of the democratic party according to Howard Dean, it's been very much the same stance as the rest of the party as his voting record in the Senate indicates.
     
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    There's thing that your forgeting about in your comdemnation of Pres. Carter:

    First, the United States was transitioning from a war time economy to a peace time economy. That always brings recession.

    Second, we had been a nation divided during the Vietnam war and were as a nation recovering psychologically.

    Third, President Carter supported the Afgan rebels against the USSR and the solidarity movement in Poland, which were the primary cause of the fall of the USSR. Reagan may have picked up on these where Carter left off. But these policies were initiated by Carter.

    Finally, the Republicans always point to the recession that happened under Carter to condemn all Democratic economic policies, while ignoring those recessions that happened under Hoover, Reagan or Bush.

    The fact is that the economy has, on average, performed much better under Democrats than Republicans.
     
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    when republicans complain about carter's handling of a hostage crises, the irony is so thick you couldn't cut it with a knife.

    Dozens of americans were taken hostage in lebanon in the 80s, and in some cases held foe years. Reagan was totally ineffective in rescuing them, and then reagan did something carter never did. Reagan negotiated with terrorists and paid ransom for the hostages, by illegally giving arms the iranian regime.

    carter would have been run out of the country, if he had secretly and illegally given high tech arms to the iranians
     
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    You notice, I did not condemn Clinton? No I was simply comparing Carter to Obama and I think the two are very similar. The Vietnam War was over for several years before Carter came to Power as least as far as the US involvement. Carter was sworn into office in Jan. of 1977. As for crediting Carter with the fall of the Soviet Union thats a really big stretch. Do you know which two presidents in the last 30 years created the most jobs? One was a Republican and one was a Democrat. I will give Carter credit for a few things however, in that he did set the path for the initial rebuild of US Strategic Nuclear forces which were a factor during the Reagan buildup. One example would be the Ohio Class Ballistic Missile Submarine. However,domestically, and the rest of his foreign policy were a train wreck.

    I don't recall much fanfare over Johnson as being that great of a president as well. So we have been lucky and this is just an opinion, Reagan and Clinton both were good presidents domestically, but this country has had not shortage both democrats and republicans who would have better off had they stayed on that peanut farm.
     
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    You never stop wiggling, do you?:eusa_naughty:

    Obama opposed the war from the beginning and has never changed that.

    Nor has he changed his position on a withdrawl timeline. He has only stated that that timeline may be modified depending on the conditions on the ground.

    No responsible CIC would ever make an unconditional withdrawl policy.

    7 1/2 years would correspond pretty closely withdrawl plan starting at the beginning of his Presidency. Do the math.

    :wtf:
     
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