Why former Democrat Senator HATES Obamacare!!!

[Listening]

No such Pub horrors have happened with Romneycare, can't cost rises are sharply cut. Hell, Obamacare has already lowered cost rises from 15% to 4%/years.

You are brainwashed and full of Pubcrappe fear mongering. And Kerry knows he was wrong. Pfffft!!

The economy lowered it.

Moron.

 

[Obamanation]

No such Pub horrors have happened with Romneycare, can't cost rises are sharply cut. Hell, Obamacare has already lowered cost rises from 15% to 4%/years.

You are brainwashed and full of Pubcrappe fear mongering. And Kerry knows he was wrong. Pfffft!!

It hasn't lowered crap. lowered increases.... pfffffft...

A mighty accomplishment by any Obama standard!! ...while spending a trillion tax dollars...

How retarded are you guys???

EVERY DOLLAR the GOV'T SPENDS is a DOLLAR OF TAXATION!!!

 

[Obamanation]

No such Pub horrors have happened with Romneycare, can't cost rises are sharply cut. Hell, Obamacare has already lowered cost rises from 15% to 4%/years.

You are brainwashed and full of Pubcrappe fear mongering. And Kerry knows he was wrong. Pfffft!!

The economy lowered it.

Moron.

No doubt! lol

...and when we get Obama the economy destroyer out of office and the economy starts to rise - the cost of insurance will rise right along with it!

 

[Political Junky]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/h...andate-was-first-backed-by-conservatives.html
<excerpt>
The concept that people should be required to buy health coverage was fleshed out more than two decades ago by a number of conservative economists, embraced by scholars at conservative research groups, including the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, and championed, for a time, by Republicans in the Senate.

The individual mandate, as it is known, was seen then as a conservative alternative to some of the health care approaches favored by liberals &#8212; like creating a national health service or requiring employers to provide health coverage.
<more>

 

[francoHFW]

Every other modern country has universal health care, better results at less than 60% the cost, 80% plus approval, and you're brainwashed jackazzes. tyvm LOL!

 

[Obamanation]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/h...andate-was-first-backed-by-conservatives.html
<excerpt>
The concept that people should be required to buy health coverage was fleshed out more than two decades ago by a number of conservative economists, embraced by scholars at conservative research groups, including the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, and championed, for a time, by Republicans in the Senate.

The individual mandate, as it is known, was seen then as a conservative alternative to some of the health care approaches favored by liberals — like creating a national health service or requiring employers to provide health coverage.
<more>

That means nothing --- it is sooooo general that it doesn;t even describe anything....

I may consider a statewide approach to an individual mandate depending on what it looked like. The mandate is one tiny little aspect to Obamas first step in having the gov't take over health care.

 

[Obamanation]

Every other modern country has universal health care, better results at less than 60% the cost, 80% plus approval, and you're brainwashed jackazzes. tyvm LOL!

Yeah, working great for those western Europeans isn;t it??

These countries pay between 45%-55% in taxes, on the MIDDLE CLASS!!!!

You call us brainwashed..... lol

Well, I guess if the only thing you want in life is health-care -- put the gov't in charge... You can live in a tiny box, ride your bike to work, have health-care and enjoy spending what's left over to go to your monthly movie.

Gotta give the actors guild their cut to keep them, keeping you, vote for socialism!

 

[francoHFW]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/h...andate-was-first-backed-by-conservatives.html
<excerpt>
The concept that people should be required to buy health coverage was fleshed out more than two decades ago by a number of conservative economists, embraced by scholars at conservative research groups, including the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, and championed, for a time, by Republicans in the Senate.

The individual mandate, as it is known, was seen then as a conservative alternative to some of the health care approaches favored by liberals — like creating a national health service or requiring employers to provide health coverage.
<more>

And the mindless obstructionist a-holes call it MARXIST just because Obama decided to do it THEIR way!! Unbelievable. Does this prove Pubs would never actually change our incredibly profitable disgrace of a "system"?

 

[Listening]

Every other modern country has universal health care, better results at less than 60% the cost, 80% plus approval, and you're brainwashed jackazzes. tyvm LOL!

Why don't you immigrate to another country then ?

 

[Bfgrn]

“I hate the employer mandate,” Kerrey said. “I think it’s going to have a counterproductive impact. We don’t have any (insured employee) that costs us less than $7,000 (a year), and the fine’s $2,000. We’ll dump ’em off. We won’t call it dumping, we’ll say ... ‘Go get it from the exchange.’”
He said the employer mandate “will accelerate an already breaking-down employer-based system.” That portion of the law should be repealed, he said.
Of course, this is a feature, not a bug of ObamaCare. Getting more employees out of the private health insurance market and into highly-regulated government-run health insurance exchanges is an important step towards a single payer health care system.

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Several "operative" points here but specifically..
"Getting more employees out of the private health insurance market "
How many times have we heard the uninformed, uneducated comment FROM OBAMA no less!
Obama has said: "I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program."
Where does he think the over $100 billion in Federal/State/Local and property taxes will come from ?
Where does he think the 400,000 people employed by the 1,300 health insurance companies Kerrey describes will go?
How much will these 400,000 add to the payments of unemployment insurance?

For example NOT ONE person favoring the destruction of private health insurance has ANY understanding of how it works!
NOT ONE of them believe that under penalty of imprisonment.. people responsible for financial statements of these companies
state on average 80% of every premium dollar goes OUT to pay claims!
YET NOT ONE of the ignorant people in favor of supposedly the European model single payer systems (that are financially crushing)
seems to comprehend what the Institute of Medicine
Report: US health care system wastes $750B a year - Fort Lauderdale Business | Examiner.com


Here's yet another great reason to reform healthcare: According to a recent report by the Institute of Medicine, the U.S. health care system squanders $750 billion a year — roughly 30 cents of every medical dollar — through unneeded care, byzantine paperwork, fraud and other waste, the influential Institute of Medicine said Thursday in a report that ties directly into the presidential campaign.
More than 18 months in the making, the report identified six major areas of waste:

unnecessary services ($210 billion annually); (Defensive Medicine out of FEAR of LAWSUITS!!!)
inefficient delivery of care ($130 billion);
excess administrative costs ($190 billion); Do ANY of you know how much the 1996 HIPAA Clinton mandate has added to ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS?? Research &#64257;rm Gartner Group has estimated that HIPAA is expected to
cost the healthcare industry at least $3.8 billion between 2003 and 2008,
and potentially even 10 times that
inflated prices ($105 billion); (EMTALA a govt. mandate forces hospitals to "pad" sometimes by 6,000% their costs!!!)
prevention failures ($55 billion), and
fraud ($75 billion).
Adjusting for some overlap among the categories, the panel settled on an estimate of $750 billion.

$750 BILLION A YEAR

AND Medicare is OK with that.. Insurance companies just pay the claims and charge higher premiums!
BUT OBAMACARE IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!

As usual myth maker, your math skills are flawed. And so is your awareness. So I will start with an excerpt from a 1994 paper authored by Robert E. Moffit, PhD. Director of the Center for Health Policy Studies at the Heritage Foundation.

In another context, Reinhardt proposes perhaps the best single reform idea to date. He suggests a simple financial disclosure on the part of the nation’s employers, requiring every employer to put periodically on the pay stub of every worker in America something like the following: “We have paid you X thousand dollars in health benefits. This has reduced your wages by X thousand dollars.” We would add: “Have a nice day!„5

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/13/2/101.full.pdf

“I hate the employer mandate,” Kerrey said. “I think it’s going to have a counterproductive impact. We don’t have any (insured employee) that costs us less than $7,000 (a year), and the fine’s $2,000. We’ll dump ’em off. We won’t call it dumping, we’ll say ... ‘Go get it from the exchange.’”

THUS:
$7,000
-$2,000
$5,000 is the RAISE each employee has a right to demand.

No, you stupid spams**ting lemming.

That 5000 is going to come from somewhere.

That was the point of the entire OP. It's going to push more of it into a general tax based system.

Can you, for once, in your rush to post your stupid assed talking points, just read and comprehend.....for once ?

Why don't you try reading before you emote and blurt out your ignorance? You right wing turds are so obtuse when it comes to understanding how things REALLY work.

From your beloved Heritage Foundation:

He suggests a simple financial disclosure on the part of the nation’s employers, requiring every employer to put periodically on the pay stub of every worker in America something like the following: “We have paid you X thousand dollars in health benefits. This has reduced your wages by X thousand dollars.”

Here is the whole section with heading:

A Snare And A Delusion
Employer-based health insurance in this country is the product of wartime economic and tax policy of the 1940s. There is no reason why health reform in the 1990s should be governed by those unique circumstances and outdated tax policies.

Uwe Reinhardt and Alan Krueger tell us that the tax treatment of employment-based health insurance now is sharply regressive. And, Mark Pauly confirms, it contributes to market distortions, high costs, and lack of portability in health insurance. Americans today get tax relief for health insurance on only one condition: that they get it from their employer. This has tied health insurance to the workplace in a way that no other insurance is treated. It means that if we lose or change a job, we lose our health coverage.

Pauly also tells us that employer-based insurance hides the true costs of health care. Thus, there is no normal collision between the forces of supply and demand on even the most basic level. Most workers do not purchase health insurance; it is purchased by somebody else, usually the company. For most workers, it is a “free good,” an extra, that automatically comes with the job. At least, we live with that comfortable illusion. But, in fact, it is not free at all, and the employer gives us nothing. Because too many people think that the employer’s contribution is the employer’s money and not theirs, the consumer’s perception is distorted (as is the provider’s), and health spending is not subject to market discipline. Likewise, because too many people still do not understand this reality, “hidden taxes” through the employer mandate are politically attractive. Such a mandate thus serves as a psychological snare and an economic delusion.

Karen Davis and Cathy Schoen suggest a payroll tax to finance reform, whereby the employer pays 8 percent and the employee pays 2 percent. If one of our tasks is to make the true costs transparent, this suggestion does not help very much.

In his otherwise enlightening paper, Reinhardt calls attention to the virtues of a “mandated purchase” of health insurance. And he warns that calling an employer’s “mandated purchase” a “tax” comes close to debasing the English language. But, in a similar context, Reinhardt uses the word contribution to describe suspiciously similar functions. Suffice it to say, the campaign for linguistic precision is hardly advanced by using the word contibution to describe the state’s forcible extraction of citizens’ money.

In another context, Reinhardt proposes perhaps the best single reform idea to date. He suggests a simple financial disclosure on the part of the nation’s employers, requiring every employer to put periodically on the pay stub of every worker in America something like the following: “We have paid you X thousand dollars in health benefits. This has reduced your wages by X thousand dollars.” We would add: “Have a nice day!„5

 

[francoHFW]

Every other modern country has universal health care, better results at less than 60% the cost, 80% plus approval, and you're brainwashed jackazzes. tyvm LOL!

Yeah, working great for those western Europeans isn;t it??

These countries pay between 45%-55% in taxes, on the MIDDLE CLASS!!!!

You call us brainwashed..... lol

Well, I guess if the only thing you want in life is health-care -- put the gov't in charge... You can live in a tiny box, ride your bike to work, have health-care and enjoy spending what's left over to go to your monthly movie.

Gotta give the actors guild their cut to keep them, keeping you, vote for socialism!

Total Pubcrappe. They pay no more in all taxes than we do, and their houses last for CENTURIES, we have to change their car suspensions to last on our shytty roads, and they're ALL happier than us. And they have 6 week vacations after a year, paid parental leave and great cheap day care, etc etc etc IDIOT. See sig PP#1. And Americans CAN"T go and live there. LOL

 

[Political Junky]

Every other modern country has universal health care, better results at less than 60% the cost, 80% plus approval, and you're brainwashed jackazzes. tyvm LOL!

Why don't you immigrate[sic] to another country then ?

Many of us would like Americans to have the advantages of universal health care right here instead of emigrating to another country.

 

[francoHFW]

We'd also like to stop screwing our countrymen in order to pander to our greedy a-hole rich. Pub dupes!!

 

[Obamanation]

ALways goes back to that, huh? life isn;t fair. they have more than me...

They EARNED more than you... deal with it --- go earn more!

 

[francoHFW]

Idiot. LOL. They should pay more in taxes. Rich Dems agree, because they're not greedy a-holes. LOL

 

[Obamanation]

Idiot. LOL. They should pay more in taxes. Rich Dems agree, because they're not greedy a-holes. LOL

They already do pay more in taxes. WAAAAAAAAY More....

Don't know what you think it would accomplish by making them pay any more...

lol ...you just want them to pay!! pay for your success you dirty scum!!!

 

[francoHFW]

More %wise. IDIOT.

 

[francoHFW]

Under Reaganist tax rates, the richest are now paying the same %wise as the poorest, less than the middle class, in ALL taxes and fees, and have tripled or quadrupled their wealth while the nonrich and the country go to hell. Read something, dupe. See sig.

 

[Obamanation]

More %wise. IDIOT.

I love it ---

lib - I'm angry!! so you pay for it!!!

conservative - come over and watch the football game

lib - on your fancy TV?? Never!! who did you abuse to get that anyway?

conservative - why are you so angry?

lib - because of all your hate!!!

conservative - no really, we can grill burgers.

lib - you hate cows too!!!! HATER!!!

conservative - I think you might benefit from religion. You know God loves you!

lib - Damn Hater!!! Screw your neighbor out of everything!! I should burn your house down you are such a HATER!!!!

 

[healthmyths]

Every other modern country has universal health care, better results at less than 60% the cost, 80% plus approval, and you're brainwashed jackazzes. tyvm LOL!

Yeah, working great for those western Europeans isn;t it??

These countries pay between 45%-55% in taxes, on the MIDDLE CLASS!!!!

You call us brainwashed..... lol

Well, I guess if the only thing you want in life is health-care -- put the gov't in charge... You can live in a tiny box, ride your bike to work, have health-care and enjoy spending what's left over to go to your monthly movie.

Gotta give the actors guild their cut to keep them, keeping you, vote for socialism!

Total Pubcrappe. They pay no more in all taxes than we do, and their houses last for CENTURIES, we have to change their car suspensions to last on our shytty roads, and they're ALL happier than us. And they have 6 week vacations after a year, paid parental leave and great cheap day care, etc etc etc IDIOT. See sig PP#1. And Americans CAN"T go and live there. LOL

AND THEY ARE GOING BROKE.. you F..king Idiot!!