Discussion in 'Israel and Palestine' started by pbel, Dec 19, 2012.
Best thread in history.
The Palestinians don't give in for two reasons. . One is Political, and the second is Economic.
First, the Palestinians are simply pawns in a struggle between East and West. This struggle of the Arabs to free themselves from Western powers has been ongoing since the middle ages, and now for control of the oil fields which are the Economic life-line of the Western Powers...
Its not support for Israel as the recent UN votes indicate not a great love of Israel...I believe the Israelis know this so that most of their land confiscations are for future security measures, because they know their safety will be in great risk when the oil runs out in sixty years, not to mention Green development.
Israel knows that once the oil goes, the strategic interests, of the Military shield that the Western Powers afford her, will too vanish.
The second reason the Palestinians dare to not surrender is Economic…they live in dire poverty so that life is not as scared…their land has been confiscated, all they have left is a battered honor. They are the sacrificial lambs in the greater struggle between East and West.
The Arab spring, ragging around all Israel’s borders are a direct result of this struggle…All US and Western allies are disappearing one by one as we speak.
The only way for Israel in the long-run is not by Military Power but by Political accommodation and Economic cooperation. She needs to support a two State solution near the 67 borders and share E. Jerusalem near what the Arab League offered in 2002, and become part of the fabric of the ME with offers of Recognition, Peace and Trade…
Any other options will lead to more wars.
Phillip, you keep on repeating yourself with the same old stuff. Do you really think the Muslim world wants to see any piece of land, no matter how small it is, governed by any Jews? Do you really think that a Muslim in say Pakistan or one in Malaysia really cares about the Palestinians, but the thought that Jews are governing land that should be governed by Muslims is anathema to them? Since we appear to be feeding so much of the world, what happens when the food isn't sent to those Muslims who are starving? Can they eat oil? Why do you think there are those in the Gulf States buying farmland outside of their own countries? And, Phillip, there are many Muslim countries who are in much worse shape than you think the Palestinians are. Don't forget to send in a contribution via UNICEF or C.A.R.E. to help these unfortunate Muslims. After all, the Somalis are dropping likes flies in their roads due to starvation, and you certainly don't want to see this keep going on. As for the Arab Spring, time will only tell whether these countries will actually become democratic or if they turn Islamist with the people living under Sharia Law. So far, it appears that the Islamists are winning.
I know you are correct in most of what you say, except that the Arab League and the Palestinians have accepted Israel'ls right to exist as a Jewish state with defined borders. It seems to me you keep repeating the same reasons for not supporting peace. Israel by repeating your excuses for war is isolating her from all her friends in the world. Eventualy the weight of Islamist gains will come to bear. To think this can go on forever in a state of undelared war with the immediate 400 million hostile neighbors is not a good gamble.
How can philistines quit, if their occupation makes money?
Peeballs----you are lying again-----the FACT is that the islamic teaching WORLD WIDE is that the entire middle east is and must remain ---forever--- MUSLIM LAND ----in order for the ummah to end the filth it perpetuated----hundreds of thousands of IMAMS would have to stand up in mosques and announce "WE WERE WRONG"---<<< and even then it would not work
The Israelis won't quit, because they already won. The Arabs aren't attacking in all out invasions any time soon. The Arab, Persian and Pakistani countries have as many problems dealing with civil strife, stagnate economies, no growth economies, secular infighting, Islamist terrorism, that the destroying Israel isn't a top priority.
As much as the Arabs and left try to destroy Israel, Israel thrives 100 fold as an economy and stable society and has become a WORLD leader in science, healthcare, military weaponry, software, hardware etc.
Israel doesn't give up, because they already won.
The Palestinians won't give in to logic, because they truly don't want to stand on their own two feet. Their economy is better than much of the Arab world, their incomes are higher, their healthcare is better etc. If they give in to logic and reason, then they will stand on their own two feet and fail all by themselves.
As any warrior king will note: It's much easier to fight a war to rule of the kingdom, then it is to rule the kingdom after you have won it!
Rose, I know you shoot from the hip faster than Wyatt Earp, can you provide some evidence on where I lie? Many Arab countries have helped Israel use their airspace to attack its enemies. Even Saudi Arabia the religious heart of Islam has supported a comprehensive two state solution and recognition of Israel as a Jewish state. By not accepting this world wide support for that case only gives the radical Islamists the power to eliminate these moderate states and insures future conflicts.
wrong Saudi arabia HAS NOT agreed to recognize Israel as a "JEWISH STATE"----it has agreed that there can be a state there-----which will not be attacked FOR NOW. you are lying again
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