Why doesn't Canada

[Ravi]

On another note, this little nugget was in the news today and it is also on wikipedia:

However, in 2011 it was reported that the U.S., for the first time since 1949, had become a net fuel exporter, and fuels (including gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel) were the top export. This leads many to question the validity of the energy security argument, since it seems that additional Alberta tar sands oil processed in the Gulf region is likely to be exported to foreign nations with ease through the Gulf of Mexico. As stated in a USA Today article, "...analysts say those [overseas fuel] sales are likely generating higher profits per gallon than they would have generated in the U.S. Otherwise, they wouldn't occur."

We don't seem to need Canada's oil so why are the Republicans so eager to get it?

While the media fixates on the political spin around the Obama government’s rejection of TransCanada’s Keystone XL pipeline, there’s another, more important element to this story that has been grossly underplayed: growing domestic U.S. oil production, which will slash U.S. dependence on imported oil in the years ahead.

After decades of decline, U.S. oil output is growing rapidly again, thanks to the use of fracking (hydraulic fracturing) technology to open up previously untapped tight oil or shale oil deposits. (So much for Peak Oil theory.)

Some analysts say North Dakota’s Bakken field alone — where output has doubled to more than 500,000 barrels a day over the past two years — could produce as much as one million barrels a day in a few short years.

That’s nearly as much oil as the U.S. now imports from Mexico (its third-largest source of foreign crude, behind Canada and Saudi Arabia), and almost half as much as the 2.3 million barrels a day the U.S. currently imports from The Great White North, the top foreign supplier.

Growing U.S. energy output a threat to Canada | Edmonton Journal

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Ravi the US oil producing states stand to gain. That was the point of Phase III. Everyone could link in and get their product to the Gulf Refineries.

Ezra Levant wrote a great book about Ethical oil. Do you really want to keep working with and getting your oil from dictators who starve their own or work with a country who has been your friend since both our inceptions?

How do we work this out? If you really want to keep getting oil from dictators, well hell's bells that changes our relationship doesn't it?

you didnt read my post

 

[Robodoon]

build its own refineries if they think their oil sands are so valuable?

Central and Eastern Canada tend to buy oil from outside the country rather than from the oilsands.

Harper says pipeline debate should be left to Canadians - Politics - CBC News

CA just like the USA are under the same thumbs, more as well.

Canada is of the crown, and so are we, and they play games to move the masses.
There is enough for everyone all over the world, but the ruling elite, don't think about people all over the world, only themselves.

The ruling elite will be the ones hiding in caves from the face of God. For to long they have claimed godhood over man, while their only power has been doing evil against man and God. They follow their father...all of those will burn in flames, but before that, they will try and hide from the evil they have done in the open in the view of all mankind.

 

[Toro]

build its own refineries if they think their oil sands are so valuable?

Central and Eastern Canada tend to buy oil from outside the country rather than from the oilsands.

Harper says pipeline debate should be left to Canadians - Politics - CBC News

Because it is more economic to transport unrefined product than to refine it.

It's funny. The Leftists in Canada often ask the same question.

 

[Toro]

I'll take a guess and suggest that they may not have any population centers dense enough for it to make economic sense.

I told you it was guess.

^^^^^
This.

There is a general rule in economics that the more value-added the product, the more likely the product will be developed near population centers simply because the infrastructure and transportation make it much less economic to develop it near the source. It's why they don't make furniture in northern British Columbia where there is a lot of wood either.

 

[Charles_Main]

On another note, this little nugget was in the news today and it is also on wikipedia:



We don't seem to need Canada's oil so why are the Republicans so eager to get it?



Growing U.S. energy output a threat to Canada | Edmonton Journal

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Ravi the US oil producing states stand to gain. That was the point of Phase III. Everyone could link in and get their product to the Gulf Refineries.

Ezra Levant wrote a great book about Ethical oil. Do you really want to keep working with and getting your oil from dictators who starve their own or work with a country who has been your friend since both our inceptions?

How do we work this out? If you really want to keep getting oil from dictators, well hell's bells that changes our relationship doesn't it?

you didnt read my post

You don't Understand the first thing about this Issue. Clearly, Anyone who says why doesn't Canada build their own Refineries, and Why do we need their Oil. Is clearly completely Ignorant of the Issue.

The Real Reason for Opposition to the Plan is not because they don't want another Pipe Line, The Area is Criss Crossed with them already. The Left does not want the Pipe line Built because it lays the Foundation for States like Montana, Colorado, The Dakota's to Develop their own Oil Sands fields. The Left Wants to make sure it never happens. Period. They are Using the Excuse of Objecting to a Pipe Line In an Area Covered with them, that has had 3 Years of Study, But their Real Goal is to stop the US from Developing Shale, and Oil Sands.

 

[Toro]

I,m just guessing here but it would probably be a problem shipping fuel to Asia if a port is iced in during the winter.

I see Harper's threat as pretty empty. The cost of shipping to Asia for refining would be even more energy inefficient than shipping to Texas. Especially if we were footing the bill for the pipeline.

I never realized Harper was such a shit.

The Canadians are going to sell it to whomever buys it. They'd rather sell it to the Americans because its closer and easier, but if the Americans don't want it, they'll sell it to China. That will happen.

China is buying from the Brazilians and Venezuelans. Why wouldn't they buy it from the Canadians?

 

[Zander]

The pipe line is going to be built one way or another. Sorry leftist wingnuts- Freedom wins - you lose.
TransCanada May Shorten Keystone XL - Bloomberg

 

[Charles_Main]

I,m just guessing here but it would probably be a problem shipping fuel to Asia if a port is iced in during the winter.

I see Harper's threat as pretty empty. The cost of shipping to Asia for refining would be even more energy inefficient than shipping to Texas. Especially if we were footing the bill for the pipeline.

I never realized Harper was such a shit.

You say some incredibly Ignorant shit RAVI. Canada would not be paying the Shipping Costs. They would Pump the Oil to their Coast, and SELL IT to China. China would then Pay to ship it home and Refine it. The Pipe Line would even be shorter that way, The only reason they were going south with it, is they rather sell it to us, and it allows us to Develop our own Fields and tie into an Existing Pipe line.

At every Turn you demonstrate massive Ignorance of this issue, Why do you insist on continuing to make a fool of yourself.

 

[Middleoftheroad]

build its own refineries if they think their oil sands are so valuable?

Central and Eastern Canada tend to buy oil from outside the country rather than from the oilsands.

Harper says pipeline debate should be left to Canadians - Politics - CBC News

Because it makes much more Economic Sense to sell it to us. Of course. If they are looking to export, why would they build refineries? Do you even understand how it works? You don't Refine the stuff and then ship it to market. Costs way to much that way. That's why even countries that have no Oil have Refineries. So they can buy Crude and make gas.
lol

My response is to the part I bolded in his quote.
Actually this is NOT how it works at all. If there wasn't a profit to be made by refining it and exporting it, then we wouldn't be doing it. Or did you miss the part were we import tons of oil and export tons of gas. We even import unfinished gas and refine that, just to ship it away.
The real problem is that it takes years to build a refinery, especially a large refinery.

 

[Ravi]

I,m just guessing here but it would probably be a problem shipping fuel to Asia if a port is iced in during the winter.

I see Harper's threat as pretty empty. The cost of shipping to Asia for refining would be even more energy inefficient than shipping to Texas. Especially if we were footing the bill for the pipeline.

I never realized Harper was such a shit.

You say some incredibly Ignorant shit RAVI. Canada would not be paying the Shipping Costs. They would Pump the Oil to their Coast, and SELL IT to China. China would then Pay to ship it home and Refine it. The Pipe Line would even be shorter that way, The only reason they were going south with it, is they rather sell it to us, and it allows us to Develop our own Fields and tie into an Existing Pipe line.

At every Turn you demonstrate massive Ignorance of this issue, Why do you insist on continuing to make a fool of yourself.

Sure they would because it would make them the most money in the easiest way.

We are not obligated to take it nor does it appear that we need it.

 

[Sallow]

I see Harper's threat as pretty empty. The cost of shipping to Asia for refining would be even more energy inefficient than shipping to Texas. Especially if we were footing the bill for the pipeline.

I never realized Harper was such a shit.

#1 you aren't footing the bill for the pipeline. Our west coast ports aren't iced in ever. You guys look so stupid in this thread it's really funny.

And we will be selling to China. And making mega bucks.

Who's we? The profits made by a few are not necessarily a good reason to do a damned thing.

Yeah really.

Who is "we"?

Generally on most public/private investments..the winner is usually a small group of folks. Since they get the public to invest heavily in their private enterprise then reap the profits like crazy.

How many times does the public need this sort of bamboozling?

 

[uscitizen]

On another note, this little nugget was in the news today and it is also on wikipedia:

However, in 2011 it was reported that the U.S., for the first time since 1949, had become a net fuel exporter, and fuels (including gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel) were the top export. This leads many to question the validity of the energy security argument, since it seems that additional Alberta tar sands oil processed in the Gulf region is likely to be exported to foreign nations with ease through the Gulf of Mexico. As stated in a USA Today article, "...analysts say those [overseas fuel] sales are likely generating higher profits per gallon than they would have generated in the U.S. Otherwise, they wouldn't occur."

We don't seem to need Canada's oil so why are the Republicans so eager to get it?

While the media fixates on the political spin around the Obama government’s rejection of TransCanada’s Keystone XL pipeline, there’s another, more important element to this story that has been grossly underplayed: growing domestic U.S. oil production, which will slash U.S. dependence on imported oil in the years ahead.

After decades of decline, U.S. oil output is growing rapidly again, thanks to the use of fracking (hydraulic fracturing) technology to open up previously untapped tight oil or shale oil deposits. (So much for Peak Oil theory.)

Some analysts say North Dakota’s Bakken field alone — where output has doubled to more than 500,000 barrels a day over the past two years — could produce as much as one million barrels a day in a few short years.

That’s nearly as much oil as the U.S. now imports from Mexico (its third-largest source of foreign crude, behind Canada and Saudi Arabia), and almost half as much as the 2.3 million barrels a day the U.S. currently imports from The Great White North, the top foreign supplier.

Growing U.S. energy output a threat to Canada | Edmonton Journal

ll

Ravi the US oil producing states stand to gain. That was the point of Phase III. Everyone could link in and get their product to the Gulf Refineries.

Ezra Levant wrote a great book about Ethical oil. Do you really want to keep working with and getting your oil from dictators who starve their own or work with a country who has been your friend since both our inceptions?

How do we work this out? If you really want to keep getting oil from dictators, well hell's bells that changes our relationship doesn't it?

You might want to research that a bit.
The tar sand oil must be refined seperately from the other "regular" oil.

 

[code1211]

I,m just guessing here but it would probably be a problem shipping fuel to Asia if a port is iced in during the winter.

I see Harper's threat as pretty empty. The cost of shipping to Asia for refining would be even more energy inefficient than shipping to Texas. Especially if we were footing the bill for the pipeline.

I never realized Harper was such a shit.

You must be right. Shipping oil long distances to have it refined is a fools errand.

Where is the oil drilled in the Middle East refined?

 

[code1211]

who would make mega bucks?

Hopefully, as many people as possible.

Where do I line up to buy stock in this pipeline after President Donothing loses the election?

 

[code1211]

I see Harper's threat as pretty empty. The cost of shipping to Asia for refining would be even more energy inefficient than shipping to Texas. Especially if we were footing the bill for the pipeline.

I never realized Harper was such a shit.

#1 you aren't footing the bill for the pipeline. Our west coast ports aren't iced in ever. You guys look so stupid in this thread it's really funny.

And we will be selling to China. And making mega bucks.

Who's we? The profits made by a few are not necessarily a good reason to do a damned thing.

You're right. We should have outlawed the electric light, the computer and the automobile decades ago.

Who are these people who think they have the right to make money?

 

[code1211]

On another note, this little nugget was in the news today and it is also on wikipedia:

However, in 2011 it was reported that the U.S., for the first time since 1949, had become a net fuel exporter, and fuels (including gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel) were the top export. This leads many to question the validity of the energy security argument, since it seems that additional Alberta tar sands oil processed in the Gulf region is likely to be exported to foreign nations with ease through the Gulf of Mexico. As stated in a USA Today article, "...analysts say those [overseas fuel] sales are likely generating higher profits per gallon than they would have generated in the U.S. Otherwise, they wouldn't occur."

We don't seem to need Canada's oil so why are the Republicans so eager to get it?

While the media fixates on the political spin around the Obama government’s rejection of TransCanada’s Keystone XL pipeline, there’s another, more important element to this story that has been grossly underplayed: growing domestic U.S. oil production, which will slash U.S. dependence on imported oil in the years ahead.

After decades of decline, U.S. oil output is growing rapidly again, thanks to the use of fracking (hydraulic fracturing) technology to open up previously untapped tight oil or shale oil deposits. (So much for Peak Oil theory.)

Some analysts say North Dakota’s Bakken field alone — where output has doubled to more than 500,000 barrels a day over the past two years — could produce as much as one million barrels a day in a few short years.

That’s nearly as much oil as the U.S. now imports from Mexico (its third-largest source of foreign crude, behind Canada and Saudi Arabia), and almost half as much as the 2.3 million barrels a day the U.S. currently imports from The Great White North, the top foreign supplier.

Growing U.S. energy output a threat to Canada | Edmonton Journal

ll

Ravi the US oil producing states stand to gain. That was the point of Phase III. Everyone could link in and get their product to the Gulf Refineries.

Ezra Levant wrote a great book about Ethical oil. Do you really want to keep working with and getting your oil from dictators who starve their own or work with a country who has been your friend since both our inceptions?

How do we work this out? If you really want to keep getting oil from dictators, well hell's bells that changes our relationship doesn't it?

The dictators you cite are Leftists.

 

[code1211]

build its own refineries if they think their oil sands are so valuable?

Central and Eastern Canada tend to buy oil from outside the country rather than from the oilsands.

Harper says pipeline debate should be left to Canadians - Politics - CBC News

Because it is more economic to transport unrefined product than to refine it.

It's funny. The Leftists in Canada often ask the same question.

I know almost nothing about how oil is brought to market, but what you say sounds reasonable. When pittsburgh was a steel town, it was cheaper to bring the ore to Pittsburgh
to be processed than it was to make steel in Minnesota.

Drilling or mining and processing and packaging are probably distinct and separate industries that can be combined but don't seem to need to be combined.

Obviously, that is what the people who do the production have concluded.

 

[code1211]

#1 you aren't footing the bill for the pipeline. Our west coast ports aren't iced in ever. You guys look so stupid in this thread it's really funny.

And we will be selling to China. And making mega bucks.

Who's we? The profits made by a few are not necessarily a good reason to do a damned thing.

Yeah really.

Who is "we"?

Generally on most public/private investments..the winner is usually a small group of folks. Since they get the public to invest heavily in their private enterprise then reap the profits like crazy.

How many times does the public need this sort of bamboozling?

How incisive you are. Pity those poor fools who invested in stocks and got rich. We need to disband out great corporations and do it the way the Soviets did.

I gots to get me one of them Soviet Limos!

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[Sirkarl101]

FYI we've been exporting to China for years.

Alberta, Canada - China

So why do you noy refine the crap there? Is it the fact that Canadian environmentalist to not care for the pollutants that are emitted during the process. Is it the three gallons of water required to produce 1 gallon of refined product? Is it the fact that the Canadian people in general do not want the crap processed there? I suggest that the American people look at the periodicals from previous years regarding this product and the actions now being taken by the Canadian government to pressure the U.S to move on the XL. The Canadians are not going to sell this fuel to the U.S exclusively. It is going on the open market which is fair. Most Americans think this XL project will create a lot of jobs etc. No it will not. According to your oil companies figures it will create 15 thousand jobs that will last 2 years to pump very toxic sludge through our country. Keep it. It is not worth the risk, unless the Canadian company and the country of Canada is willing to be held liable for all damages in the event of a spill, leak etc. I say The country Canada because a spill or leak so far has no proven method to be cleaned up. If ten thousand acres of U.S land is destroyed by your oil sand product can the U.S pick out ten thousand acres of Canadian land to compensate for the destruction? Money does not help as they are not making land anymore. I thought not. Also I have been reading about the statements coming from Canadians officials and the veiled threats. Please!

I tell you what, lets make a deal. The U.S will send Canada our nuclear waste which will create jobs for Canadians and we will take your oil sands. Lets just poison each other as brothers and sisters of the continent we share.

 

[Toro]

I see Harper's threat as pretty empty. The cost of shipping to Asia for refining would be even more energy inefficient than shipping to Texas. Especially if we were footing the bill for the pipeline.

I never realized Harper was such a shit.

You say some incredibly Ignorant shit RAVI. Canada would not be paying the Shipping Costs. They would Pump the Oil to their Coast, and SELL IT to China. China would then Pay to ship it home and Refine it. The Pipe Line would even be shorter that way, The only reason they were going south with it, is they rather sell it to us, and it allows us to Develop our own Fields and tie into an Existing Pipe line.

At every Turn you demonstrate massive Ignorance of this issue, Why do you insist on continuing to make a fool of yourself.

Sure they would because it would make them the most money in the easiest way.

We are not obligated to take it nor does it appear that we need it.

The United States imports about half its oil consumption. The only way the US wouldn't need it if it were self-sufficient in oil, which even with the shale plays, is many years away, if ever.