Why Does US support Saudia Arabia??

[eagleseven]

Not seeing the bigger picture are you. One more time... The world's , not just the USA, the world's economy is highly if not solely dependent on the free flow of petroleum.

The spice must flow.

 

[GWV5903]

Europe will collapse without ME Oil.....

 

[eagleseven]

Europe will collapse without ME Oil.....

Global economy will collapse without ME oil...remember, ME oil reduces the price of oil in all markets. Eliminate ME oil, and prices will skyrocket for all nations.

In our fragile state, we wouldn't survive $10/gallon gas.

 

[Possible]

Indeed oil is the reason why US economy and indeed the world economy is suffering, look at the margins and profits of listed oil exploration and production companies, they are making supernormal profits, they pump in money to speculate in the oil futuress market and keep price of oil artifically high. Natural price should be around USD50 or USD60 and still theyd be making profits.

The high oil prices mean cost of production is higher and consequently product prices are higher, consumers have less to spend causing little demand and hence less jobs and a slow economy.

As for ME oil Saudi promotes sectarian conflcit in Iraq to destablise it, hence Iraq which has the second largest oil deposits dosent come on line, if they did prices of oil would come down.

 

[Possible]

okay in what way is this a conspiracy theory? dosent US support Saudi Arabia? Isnt Saudia Arabia the source of terrorism? so whats the conspiracy, Im not saying this is delibrate, maybe this is just a bungling blindsighted foreign policy mistake.

 

[Possible]

Is this a conspiracy theory too?

A Saudi bombmaker believed to be working with al Qaeda's Yemen-based wing is a key suspect in the parcel bomb plot against the United States, a U.S. official said on Saturday. Skip related content
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Enlarge photo .Ibrahim Hassan al-Asiri, who tops a Saudi Arabian terrorism list, is the brother of a suicide bomber killed in an attempt to kill Saudi counter-terrorism chief Prince Mohammed bin Nayef last year.

That attack, as well as another attempt on a U.S.-bound airliner on Christmas Day 2009, involved the use of pentaerythritol trinitrate (PETN) -- a highly potent explosive that appears to be the weapon of choice of al Qaeda's Yemeni branch, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP).

At least one of the two U.S.-bound parcel bombs sent from Yemen addressed to synagogues in Chicago and intercepted in Dubai and Britain on Friday employed PETN.

The U.S. official, speaking to Reuters on condition of anonymity, said Asiri was being closely looked at by authorities in view of his experience with explosives.

There were also indications he may have been the bombmaker behind the Christmas Day attempt and the failed attack on Prince Nayaf last year, the official added.

Saudi Arabia, which provided intelligence that helped identify the parcel bomb threat, put Asiri at the top of its terrorism list in 2009. A version of the list can be seen here:

Authorities are scrambling to track down any AQAP operatives behind the latest plot. Yemeni police earlier on Saturday arrested a medical student believed to be in her 20s in Sanaa, but her lawyer told Reuters he feared she had been unwittingly used by others.

MOST "ACTIVE" AQ BRANCH

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said the parcel bombs sent from Yemen had the hallmarks of al Qaeda, and in particular AQAP.

White House counter-terrorism advisor John Brennan has called AQAP "the most active operational franchise" of al Qaeda outside its traditional Pakistani and Afghan base.

The Obama administration has been increasingly focussed on the al Qaeda wing, which authorities have said was behind the failed attempt to blow up a U.S. jetliner on Christmas Day last year with a bomb that a Nigerian man hid in his underwear.

AQAP is headed by Nasser al-Wahayshi, a Yemeni former associate of Osama bin Laden. But it's Anwar al-Awlaki, an American Islamist preacher of Yemeni ancestry, who is now drawing considerable attention in Washington.

Awlaki, who argues al Qaeda's extremist views using Western ideas and the Internet, has called the Christmas Day bomber one of his "students" and he traded emails with the U.S. Army psychiatrist who went on a shooting rampage at a military base in Texas last year that killed 13 soldiers

U.S. officials have said Washington has authorized the CIA to kill or capture Awlaki, a rare act against a U.S. citizen that shows the degree of threat he is believed to pose.

They have also said the United States will likely increase strikes against al Qaeda in Yemen, seeking to apply the same degree of pressure there as covert drone attacks in Pakistan have had on the core group.

 

[JiggsCasey]

Europe will collapse without ME Oil.....

Global economy will collapse without ME oil...remember, ME oil reduces the price of oil in all markets. Eliminate ME oil, and prices will skyrocket for all nations.

In our fragile state, we wouldn't survive $10/gallon gas.

^^ I approve this message

 

[JiggsCasey]

Because for some reason our left leaning politicians have decided it's better for us to import oil from dangerous operations overseas than to drill at home safely.

Makes no sense to me either.

this false claim continues to get trotted out, over and over again, by people who have absolutely no idea what they're ever talking about when it comes to global flow rates.

there is no "it" here at home to drill... not in any capacity that would EVER satisfy our 21 million barrel per day appetite.

Just stop. We've been over this a half dozen times all over this forum, and NO ONE can link to any significant discovery off our shores. No one.

Even all the little finds added up together don't amount to jack squat.

We make sure those ships keep running from the Middle East for a reason. Because we'd be absolutely fvcked without it. The time to change our ways was 30 years ago. But then the Hollywood cowboy took office, and that became an impossibility.

 

[Possible]

As for ME oil Saudi promotes sectarian conflcit in Iraq to destablise it, hence Iraq which has the second largest oil deposits dosent come on line, if they did prices of oil would come down.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Indeed oil is the reason why US economy and indeed the world economy is suffering, look at the margins and profits of listed oil exploration and production companies, they are making supernormal profits, they pump in money to speculate in the oil futuress market and keep price of oil artifically high. Natural price should be around USD50 or USD60 and still theyd be making profits.

The high oil prices mean cost of production is higher and consequently product prices are higher, consumers have less to spend causing little demand and hence less jobs and a slow economy.

As for ME oil Saudi promotes sectarian conflcit in Iraq to destablise it, hence Iraq which has the second largest oil deposits dosent come on line, if they did prices of oil would come down.

Ok... I should not have to remind you that without a link or two ,your post is merely conjecture.
FactCheck.org: Does the government really make more in taxes from the sale of a gallon of gasoline than the oil companies do?
Snipperoo..
you can find this by reading down a few paragrphs....
On closer examination, however, that 8.3 percent earnings figure turns out to be after-tax income. The pre-tax profit margin would be considerably higher. And that’s only an average. The profits of any particular oil company could be higher or lower. For example, in 2007, ExxonMobil's after-tax earnings were 10.4 percent, much higher than the industry average. Furthermore, any particular gallon of gasoline might have passed through several companies as the product moved from the oil well to the refiner to the retailer that owns the pump.
It is posssible that oil companies bet on the price of oil. However they cannot leagally do that directly. And even if the oil co's were doing this, they are subject to market conditions that could cause those futures to LOSE money.
And if what you claim is true, what is stopping ol companies from driving the prices to higher levels? What's stopping them? If they can as you imply control the market price by pumping money into the commodities exchanges, why is oil not far more pricey?

 

[rdean]

Because for some reason our left leaning politicians have decided it's better for us to import oil from dangerous operations overseas than to drill at home safely.

Makes no sense to me either.

Left leaning?

The second-largest holder of voting stock in News Corp. is Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, a nephew of the Saudi king. And through his philanthropies, Waleed has given generously to initiatives pursued by the imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf.

The prince and Rupert Murdoch. Fox news anyone?

The Saudi Prince, The Mosque And Fox News : NPR

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No one shows more love for the Saudis than the right wing. No one.

 

[Obamerican]

Because for some reason our left leaning politicians have decided it's better for us to import oil from dangerous operations overseas than to drill at home safely.

Makes no sense to me either.

this false claim continues to get trotted out, over and over again, by people who have absolutely no idea what they're ever talking about when it comes to global flow rates.

there is no "it" here at home to drill... not in any capacity that would EVER satisfy our 21 million barrel per day appetite.

Just stop. We've been over this a half dozen times all over this forum, and NO ONE can link to any significant discovery off our shores. No one.

Even all the little finds added up together don't amount to jack squat.

We make sure those ships keep running from the Middle East for a reason. Because we'd be absolutely fvcked without it. The time to change our ways was 30 years ago. But then the Hollywood cowboy took office, and that became an impossibility.

YOU are clueless. People like you act like there is NO oil on the North American continent. Get an education.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Because for some reason our left leaning politicians have decided it's better for us to import oil from dangerous operations overseas than to drill at home safely.

Makes no sense to me either.

Left leaning?

The second-largest holder of voting stock in News Corp. is Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, a nephew of the Saudi king. And through his philanthropies, Waleed has given generously to initiatives pursued by the imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf.

The prince and Rupert Murdoch. Fox news anyone?

The Saudi Prince, The Mosque And Fox News : NPR

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No one shows more love for the Saudis than the right wing. No one.

What the hell does the ownership of FNC have to do with political leanings and energy policy here in the US? Answer: not a friggin thing.
You lefites know damned well it is yourside that plays the "gas prices are too high it's the GOP's fault" nonsense. And then you march to the drumbeat of "no drilling" when that IS the solution to our energy issues. It is democrats who crawl into bed with the enviro-wacko lobby looking for their unconditional support while agreeing to do whatever it takes to keep domestic oil production to a minimum. Some game you lefites are playing...
BTW, try checking Rupert MUrdoch's politcal leanings and which political ideology he like to donate to.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Because for some reason our left leaning politicians have decided it's better for us to import oil from dangerous operations overseas than to drill at home safely.

Makes no sense to me either.

this false claim continues to get trotted out, over and over again, by people who have absolutely no idea what they're ever talking about when it comes to global flow rates.

there is no "it" here at home to drill... not in any capacity that would EVER satisfy our 21 million barrel per day appetite.

Just stop. We've been over this a half dozen times all over this forum, and NO ONE can link to any significant discovery off our shores. No one.

Even all the little finds added up together don't amount to jack squat.

We make sure those ships keep running from the Middle East for a reason. Because we'd be absolutely fvcked without it. The time to change our ways was 30 years ago. But then the Hollywood cowboy took office, and that became an impossibility.

YOU are clueless. People like you act like there is NO oil on the North American continent. Get an education.

People like this guy above apparently like to shoot off their "keyboard" while carrying the knowledge of the plastic their keybaord is made of..
The US is the number three largest oil producer. Top World Oil Producers, Exporters, Consumers, and Importers, 2006 — Infoplease.com
There is more untapped oil reserves under nearby waters and on land then in the Arabian Peninsula.
Actually if Russia had the will to do have their oil companies do so, Russia could surpass ALL other OPEC nations combined in oil production.

 

[Obamerican]

this false claim continues to get trotted out, over and over again, by people who have absolutely no idea what they're ever talking about when it comes to global flow rates.

there is no "it" here at home to drill... not in any capacity that would EVER satisfy our 21 million barrel per day appetite.

Just stop. We've been over this a half dozen times all over this forum, and NO ONE can link to any significant discovery off our shores. No one.

Even all the little finds added up together don't amount to jack squat.

We make sure those ships keep running from the Middle East for a reason. Because we'd be absolutely fvcked without it. The time to change our ways was 30 years ago. But then the Hollywood cowboy took office, and that became an impossibility.

YOU are clueless. People like you act like there is NO oil on the North American continent. Get an education.

People like this guy above apparently like to shoot off their "keyboard" while carrying the knowledge of the plastic their keybaord is made of..
The US is the number three largest oil producer. Top World Oil Producers, Exporters, Consumers, and Importers, 2006 — Infoplease.com
There is more untapped oil reserves under nearby waters and on land then in the Arabian Peninsula.
Actually if Russia had the will to do have their oil companies do so, Russia could surpass ALL other OPEC nations combined in oil production.

Exactly

 

[JiggsCasey]

YOU are clueless. People like you act like there is NO oil on the North American continent. Get an education.

People like this guy above apparently like to shoot off their "keyboard" while carrying the knowledge of the plastic their keybaord is made of..
The US is the number three largest oil producer. Top World Oil Producers, Exporters, Consumers, and Importers, 2006 — Infoplease.com
There is more untapped oil reserves under nearby waters and on land then in the Arabian Peninsula.
Actually if Russia had the will to do have their oil companies do so, Russia could surpass ALL other OPEC nations combined in oil production.

Exactly

Hey there denial duo... I'll put the same challenge to you two that I did every other "drill baby drill" con who ran from it.

Please support your argument and show a link that asserts proven reserve totals off our shores. Then divide whatever total you THINK you have by 85 million per day in global consumption. They are not finding any significant reserves anywhere on God's green earth, and haven't for over 30 years. Before you say it, heavy oil (sand and shale) is not light crude, and does not count, because it is not economically viable to sustain. This is about net energy, or EROEI.

What we produce now is not what is what we will produce next year, and will not sustain an economic model utterly dependent on infinite growth going forward. You understand this, yes? Well, probably not, but there it is. This is all well-documented, and confirmed by our Joint Chiefs and Dept. of Energy. The U.S. may be No. 3 currently, but is in terminal decline, while its demand continues to grow. You see how this might be a problem, no?

Energy IS growth. Energy IS liquid capital, and the promise of more tomorrow. It dictates lending and credit and expansion, as well as fuels our corporate food conveyor belt every day. WIthout cheap energy, things begin to break down. This is currently the case -- in its initial stages. It does not occur overnight. It has NOTHING to do with liberal law makers. If oil was under our shores in any significant quantity, it would be extracted... PERIOD.

A 2:1 EROEI ratio for extracting 50 million barrels (2 hours worth), such as what was under Deepwater Horizon, doesn't make a hill of difference. If you know of a pool found recently in excess of 5 billion barrels in our waters, please bring it forward. Shell, BP, Exxon and all the others are desperate to hear of your "find."

Again, show the data that proves we have "plenty", or STFU.

We don't, or else we'd drill it and not spend trillions occupying other nations. Use the logical side of your brain for once, instead of hope-based grand standing. In absence of that, rely on the math. Where is it?

 

[thereisnospoon]

People like this guy above apparently like to shoot off their "keyboard" while carrying the knowledge of the plastic their keybaord is made of..
The US is the number three largest oil producer. Top World Oil Producers, Exporters, Consumers, and Importers, 2006 — Infoplease.com
There is more untapped oil reserves under nearby waters and on land then in the Arabian Peninsula.
Actually if Russia had the will to do have their oil companies do so, Russia could surpass ALL other OPEC nations combined in oil production.

Exactly

Hey there denial duo... I'll put the same challenge to you two that I did every other "drill baby drill" con who ran from it.

Please support your argument and show a link that asserts proven reserve totals off our shores. Then divide whatever total you THINK you have by 85 million per day in global consumption. They are not finding any significant reserves anywhere on God's green earth, and haven't for over 30 years. Before you say it, heavy oil (sand and shale) is not light crude, and does not count, because it is not economically viable to sustain. This is about net energy, or EROEI.

What we produce now is not what is what we will produce next year, and will not sustain an economic model utterly dependent on infinite growth going forward. You understand this, yes? Well, probably not, but there it is. This is all well-documented, and confirmed by our Joint Chiefs and Dept. of Energy. The U.S. may be No. 3 currently, but is in terminal decline, while its demand continues to grow. You see how this might be a problem, no?

Energy IS growth. Energy IS liquid capital, and the promise of more tomorrow. It dictates lending and credit and expansion, as well as fuels our corporate food conveyor belt every day. WIthout cheap energy, things begin to break down. This is currently the case -- in its initial stages. It does not occur overnight. It has NOTHING to do with liberal law makers. If oil was under our shores in any significant quantity, it would be extracted... PERIOD.

A 2:1 EROEI ratio for extracting 50 million barrels (2 hours worth), such as what was under Deepwater Horizon, doesn't make a hill of difference. If you know of a pool found recently in excess of 5 billion barrels in our waters, please bring it forward. Shell, BP, Exxon and all the others are desperate to hear of your "find."

Again, show the data that proves we have "plenty", or STFU.

We don't, or else we'd drill it and not spend trillions occupying other nations. Use the logical side of your brain for once, instead of hope-based grand standing. In absence of that, rely on the math. Where is it?

all you post does is give you comfort with the "no more oil" crowd.
U.S. Offshore Oil Reserves | FactCheck.org
4.3 billion barels in just the Bakken reserves.
800 billion in fully recoverable reserves in shale oil.
That does not include conventional and offshore reserves.
USGS Release: 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate— (4/10/2008 2:25:36 PM)
I bypassed all thge blogs which all insist to be THE course of facts...
The NYT article is narrow in it's scope and appears to have an anti-domestic energy production bias.

In any event, I want to know what you , a member of the no more oil club have as an idea as to what to do to replace oil as not only an energy source but as a major product in nearly every product one can place their hands on.
I find it laughable how you tree hugging dirt eaters think a magic wand can be waved to make petroleum simply go away.
Ethanol is a bust. Pres Bush needed to placate the GOP voting midwest so he made is infamous "Switchgrass" speech. Not one Presidential admin is without the knowledge that there are no viable and inexpensive alterantives to petroleum.
Obama is pushing these 100 mile per charge idiotic battery powered cars. At close ot $45k no one will buy a battery powered box in four wheels that they cannot use for normal travel. These hybrid cars are probably the best thing as far as an around town car. However, they are expensive.
One other thing about battery powered and hybrid cars. Those batteries have a lifespan. At a certain point, batteries will no longer accept a charge. Those batteries have to be either disposed of or recycled. The battery recycling process uses more energy and produces air and ground water pollution. Disposal is something the pro hybrid/ battery enviro-wackos conveniently like to ignore.
Now, unless you have some facts to counter, I suggest you take your room temperature IQ over to Special Ed class... The Short bus is outside at the end of the hall.

 

[JiggsCasey]

all you post does is give you comfort with the "no more oil" crowd.
U.S. Offshore Oil Reserves | FactCheck.org
4.3 billion barels in just the Bakken reserves.
800 billion in fully recoverable reserves in shale oil.
That does not include conventional and offshore reserves.
USGS Release: 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate— (4/10/2008 2:25:36 PM)
I bypassed all thge blogs which all insist to be THE course of facts...
The NYT article is narrow in it's scope and appears to have an anti-domestic energy production bias.

Like clockwork, utter failure.

I asked for light crude finds. Bakken is shale, and thus, not economically viable. Further, 4.3 billion barrels is not "significant" by any definition of the word when considering modern consumption rates. Do better, because you sound like an arrogant, ignorant fool.

From your own link, genius:

The Bakken Formation touted in a chain e-mail isn’t the world’s largest oil reserve. The amount of oil it contains, according to the U.S. Geological Survey, is less than one one-hundredth of the estimate cited in the e-mail.
​

"Technically recoverable reserves" are nothing more than an accounting gimmick to boost stock price. They are a myth, and all that matters when discussing reserve totals are "proven reserves." However, if you're willing to strip mine the Rockies for an energy source that returns about 1.5:1 on investment, you're an enemy of humanity. Even if you got your wish, con man, shale oil would NEVER sustain 5-7% growth, such as our economy depends on. It can't.

Again, where is the proven reserve discovery totals of conventional light crude off our shores? How much? You've alluded to one pool with about 50 days of energy in it. Wow.

In any event, I want to know what you , a member of the no more oil club have as an idea as to what to do to replace oil as not only an energy source but as a major product in nearly every product one can place their hands on.

Nothing will.

I'm no member of any club, you ass. I'm telling you the score here, and you're failing to counter it. Nothing will replace what light crude provides for modern society. And it is beginnning to run out. Period, end of story. I've accepted it, you appear in utter denial.

Focus on what I actually say, not what you think I mean.

I find it laughable how you tree hugging dirt eaters think a magic wand can be waved to make petroleum simply go away.

Who is saying that, besides you in your made-up rationalization? Simple-minded much?

Ethanol is a bust. Pres Bush needed to placate the GOP voting midwest so he made is infamous "Switchgrass" speech. Not one Presidential admin is without the knowledge that there are no viable and inexpensive alterantives to petroleum.

Straw man much? Of course there are no viable alternatives. That does nothing to prove that we haven't reached peak. Because we have, as confirmed by the Pentagon, the DoE, the IEA, and Oxford Univ.

The only option right now is conservation (something you CONSERVatives are strangely AGAINST), and a Manhattan Project-like initiative towards technological innovation for alternatives.

Obama is pushing these 100 mile per charge idiotic battery powered cars. At close ot $45k no one will buy a battery powered box in four wheels that they cannot use for normal travel. These hybrid cars are probably the best thing as far as an around town car. However, they are expensive.

I find far more cons advocating electronic cars than the ONE you can mention. Electricity isn't an energy source, it is a transfer of energy. They still require hydrocarbon energy to make, as does the infrastructure to power the "batteries." They will never sustain our paradigm.

One other thing about battery powered and hybrid cars. Those batteries have a lifespan. At a certain point, batteries will no longer accept a charge. Those batteries have to be either disposed of or recycled. The battery recycling process uses more energy and produces air and ground water pollution. Disposal is something the pro hybrid/ battery enviro-wackos conveniently like to ignore.

Who are you arguing with, moron? You're excellent at creating straw men. This exchange was about you running your mouth about "plenty" of our off our shores. There isn't. Try and stick to the debate at hand, if at all possible for your limited scope.

Now, unless you have some facts to counter, I suggest you take your room temperature IQ over to Special Ed class... The Short bus is outside at the end of the hall.

And yet, you can't even follow the exchange, you flacid dick.

Again, where is the conventional crude off our shores? How much? You're full of shit, and you know it. Because if it was out there to show, you would have showed it.

4.3 billion barrels? LOL. ... We use 86 million barrels every single day.

Do better, or run along, clown.

 

[thereisnospoon]

all you post does is give you comfort with the "no more oil" crowd.
U.S. Offshore Oil Reserves | FactCheck.org
4.3 billion barels in just the Bakken reserves.
800 billion in fully recoverable reserves in shale oil.
That does not include conventional and offshore reserves.
USGS Release: 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate— (4/10/2008 2:25:36 PM)
I bypassed all thge blogs which all insist to be THE course of facts...
The NYT article is narrow in it's scope and appears to have an anti-domestic energy production bias.

Like clockwork, utter failure.

I asked for light crude finds. Bakken is shale, and thus, not economically viable. Further, 4.3 billion barrels is not "significant" by any definition of the word when considering modern consumption rates. Do better, because you sound like an arrogant, ignorant fool.

From your own link, genius:

The Bakken Formation touted in a chain e-mail isn’t the world’s largest oil reserve. The amount of oil it contains, according to the U.S. Geological Survey, is less than one one-hundredth of the estimate cited in the e-mail.
​

"Technically recoverable reserves" are nothing more than an accounting gimmick to boost stock price. They are a myth, and all that matters when discussing reserve totals are "proven reserves." However, if you're willing to strip mine the Rockies for an energy source that returns about 1.5:1 on investment, you're an enemy of humanity. Even if you got your wish, con man, shale oil would NEVER sustain 5-7% growth, such as our economy depends on. It can't.

Again, where is the proven reserve discovery totals of conventional light crude off our shores? How much? You've alluded to one pool with about 50 days of energy in it. Wow.

In any event, I want to know what you , a member of the no more oil club have as an idea as to what to do to replace oil as not only an energy source but as a major product in nearly every product one can place their hands on.

Nothing will.

I'm no member of any club, you ass. I'm telling you the score here, and you're failing to counter it. Nothing will replace what light crude provides for modern society. And it is beginnning to run out. Period, end of story. I've accepted it, you appear in utter denial.

Focus on what I actually say, not what you think I mean.



Who is saying that, besides you in your made-up rationalization? Simple-minded much?



Straw man much? Of course there are no viable alternatives. That does nothing to prove that we haven't reached peak. Because we have, as confirmed by the Pentagon, the DoE, the IEA, and Oxford Univ.

The only option right now is conservation (something you CONSERVatives are strangely AGAINST), and a Manhattan Project-like initiative towards technological innovation for alternatives.



I find far more cons advocating electronic cars than the ONE you can mention. Electricity isn't an energy source, it is a transfer of energy. They still require hydrocarbon energy to make, as does the infrastructure to power the "batteries." They will never sustain our paradigm.

One other thing about battery powered and hybrid cars. Those batteries have a lifespan. At a certain point, batteries will no longer accept a charge. Those batteries have to be either disposed of or recycled. The battery recycling process uses more energy and produces air and ground water pollution. Disposal is something the pro hybrid/ battery enviro-wackos conveniently like to ignore.

Who are you arguing with, moron? You're excellent at creating straw men. This exchange was about you running your mouth about "plenty" of our off our shores. There isn't. Try and stick to the debate at hand, if at all possible for your limited scope.

Now, unless you have some facts to counter, I suggest you take your room temperature IQ over to Special Ed class... The Short bus is outside at the end of the hall.

And yet, you can't even follow the exchange, you flacid dick.

Again, where is the conventional crude off our shores? How much? You're full of shit, and you know it. Because if it was out there to show, you would have showed it.

4.3 billion barrels? LOL. ... We use 86 million barrels every single day.

Do better, or run along, clown.

First...go fuck a duck.
You are a cluless enviro-wacko bone smuggler.
You arew full of sewage effluent you room temperature IQ short bus riding dog following catfucking necropheliac..
You NEVER made the stipulation about conventional oil or any other oil.
You are pissed off because you got busted on a weak assed argument.
You are useless pile of oraganic matter.
You are now on ignore. Kiesh meir tookus. Pillow banger.

 

[JiggsCasey]

First...go fuck a duck.
You are a cluless enviro-wacko bone smuggler.
You arew full of sewage effluent you room temperature IQ short bus riding dog following catfucking necropheliac..
You NEVER made the stipulation about conventional oil or any other oil. (yes I most certainly did, you illiterate loser... read post #36 again, slower this time)
You are pissed off because you got busted on a weak assed argument.
You are useless pile of oraganic matter.
You are now on ignore. Kiesh meir tookus. Pillow banger.

LOL... in other words, you can't meet the challenge. That's OK. Far better posters than you have slinked away. Your white flag is accepted, arrogant fool.

Run along now.