why does the right unquestionably trust big business?

[NoNukes]

So you think that sitting on your couch in front of the television instead of being out doing something relevant is the way to live?

My couch and TV were bought because I get a paycheck for doing something relevent you dumbass.

What is it you do that is relevant?

In the world 50 years ago a far greater proportion of the population was paid by customers, not employers, and a far greater portion of employees worked in small and medium businesses where they were treated like family instead of cattle. And many of those remaining who worked for big business had unions to ensure they were treated more like family and less like cattle.

And I take that pay in exchange for my 40 hours of work, and go buy shit so I can sit in front of my TV and enjoy it.

See how that works?

Wow. So your entire life purpose is to do what your boss says so that you can sit in front of a television. That's PERFECT!!!!

Sure beats pissing in a tent in a park demanding someone else pay for my stuff doesnt it?

I guess those are the only two choices in life - pissing in a tent in a park, or working all week just so you can watch television. If that's the case, I think I'll just kill myself.

I teach and create.

 

[Neotrotsky]

This would happen because of greedy, selfish Conservatives.

Warren Buffett, Ted Turner, Jeff Immelt are all greedy selfish Cons??? Because they did just that. The Whole Foods CEO, a liberal, did just that.

Get a job you loser.

Yes, these guys can be as bad as conservatives because money is involved.

You mean these guys can be as bad as liberals because money is involved


Seriously, when it comes to protecting their profits
Big business prefer working with politicians who promote big government
intrusion into the market place

 

[mudwhistle]

A better question would be is why are some people reflexively closing ranks around the banking/financial industry? They have become a clear threat to our economic well being, they openly buy our politicians of both parties, they control our economic policy for their benefit alone. I think it is Stockholm syndrome, we have been at their mercy for so long that some of the hostages are starting to identify with them.

Before you tear down any system it would help if you had another one ready to replace it. Furthermore, and this is very important, it also helps that you have another system that historically worked better then the one you're tearing down before you tear down the current system. *Duh*

I'm sure if you put any system under a microscope, you can find flaws in it. If you're warped enough and have enough imagination it's easy to dream up compelling arguments on how screwed up that system is. That's what's going on here. Using well publicized misdeeds of Enron and other popular examples the left has presented to us over the last 10 years or so, you are attempting to prove your point, failing to see that the system we've had in place for the last 100 years or more has worked better than any other in history.

Perhaps that is why the left hates it.

Course that won't detour those who want to destroy a highly successful economy.

Using preposterous arguments like profit is evil, thus the American Dream is evil, they attempt to tear down a thriving economy so that hedgefunders can make billions off of the collapse that is soon to follow.

What's wrong with Capitalism isn't really at issue here. What we have here is an attempt by some to profit off of the suffering of others. Class-warfare is just another way of doing it, using pawns like yourself of course. It's small wonder that the gap between the rich and the poor is widening. The poor and the middle-class are who suffers in any economic upheaval.

When you attack job creators you destroy jobs.

No shit??????

It's amazing that the Democrats to this day are publically scratching their heads about the struggling economy. They try desperately to blame it all on anyone but the real perps. They don't want us to know that Nancy Pelsoi and her lot caused the very thing you and others like you are protesting.
Folks like Pelosi, Reid, and even establishment Repugs like Boehner are quietly working to make money for themselves and their donors while the debt mounts. They act like they're in opposition but in fact they're working together to builk us out of our excess cash. The difference between Obama and Congress is at least they aren't so obvious about it.
Getting back to the purpose of the OP.........We don't love job creators. We just know by using our own common-sense that nothing positive comes from trying to get rid of them. It's as simple as that.

I'm extremely frustrated with the crap that continues to go on in Washington. I have to put my retirement off indefinently because of it. Anyone who claims that I'm happy with that is foolish. I'm at the point that if some protestor were to yell this in my face does so at their own peril. By the time I get done with them the only thing that will beat them to a hospital is the headlights of the ambulance that carries them there. I feel most of us feel the same frustration. This is the only violence your average Tea Party member is capable of, not the crap that we're seeing from the OWS.

 

[AVG-JOE]

When you're dealing with a businessman, you know exactly where he stands. His goal is to improve his position and make a profit.

Since you know this you can deal with a businessman and come to a workable arrangement or not.

When dealing with a politician (government), he'll tell you what he thinks you want to hear so he can improve his own position while trying to convince you that he is improving yours.

See the difference?

I see it opposite - when it comes to large scale bureaucracies.

Like health insurance: Medicare is a pain in the ass, but if you are covered at the time and see a doc in the system, Medicare pays. All the employee making the decision about the claim cares about is how closely the rules were followed, then he takes a government holiday.

A bureaucrat in a private health insurance organization gets bonuses for denying claims.

 

[AVG-JOE]

When you're dealing with a businessman, you know exactly where he stands. His goal is to improve his position and make a profit.

Since you know this you can deal with a businessman and come to a workable arrangement or not.

When dealing with a politician (government), he'll tell you what he thinks you want to hear so he can improve his own position while trying to convince you that he is improving yours.

See the difference?

And I will definitely grant you that talking to a politician is NOTHING like talking to a career federal bureaucrat who knows what the fuck he's talking about. (That's the subject of another thread.)

 

[mudwhistle]

When you're dealing with a businessman, you know exactly where he stands. His goal is to improve his position and make a profit.

Since you know this you can deal with a businessman and come to a workable arrangement or not.

When dealing with a politician (government), he'll tell you what he thinks you want to hear so he can improve his own position while trying to convince you that he is improving yours.

See the difference?

And I will definitely grant you that talking to a politician is NOTHING like talking to a career federal bureaucrat who knows what the fuck he's talking about. (That's the subject of another thread.)

If the left wonders why someone who does talk the normal garbage seems refreshing just listen to one of the outsider candidates. We're tired of listening to politicians that talk out of their faces.

 

[pvsi.]

We dont.

But....we know that most of us work for them. And without them, most of us would be unemployed. And we'd like to keep them HERE, instead of overseas. Especially if you lefties continue to demand the mass importation of foreign workers.

And we know crippling business would cripple jobs. And taking money from them, to give to the government, will not do anything but create a gov't middle man between corporate money and individual workers.

But dont worry....I dont expect much comprehension of that common sense answer from you. So my standard expectations for your response aren't that high.

Honest to god, I was going to respond to OP with a "good question" but then I thought I should read at least one answer... good answer!!!

 

[pvsi.]

When Business becomes part of a federal government that's is what is called fascism. I thought my conservatives brothers and sisters believed in smaller government that want to the states...

What about when government becomes part of the big business?

 

[Oldstyle]

hmmmm....?

Well....?

The one thing that I know to be true, Marc...is that if you want something to cost three times as much and take twice as long to get done...you let the government do it.

It's not that I trust businesses unquestionably...it's that I KNOW that government is inept.

 

[mudwhistle]

We dont.

But....we know that most of us work for them. And without them, most of us would be unemployed. And we'd like to keep them HERE, instead of overseas. Especially if you lefties continue to demand the mass importation of foreign workers.

And we know crippling business would cripple jobs. And taking money from them, to give to the government, will not do anything but create a gov't middle man between corporate money and individual workers.

But dont worry....I dont expect much comprehension of that common sense answer from you. So my standard expectations for your response aren't that high.

Honest to god, I was going to respond to OP with a "good question" but then I thought I should read at least one answer... good answer!!!

You're not gonna get a "good answer" if you insist on asking stupid questions.

 

[Truthmatters]

regulations well constructed do not strangle business.

Regulations allow us to police business.

 

[mudwhistle]

regulations well constructed do not strangle business.

Regulations allow us to police business.

My guess is you've never owned a business, because I've seen state and local public officials stomp all over businesses out of spite.

I had to close mine because the county screwed up one of my licenses and the state came down on me like a ton o bricks.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I am not worried about big business, if it does something I don't like I can stop using it's product. If the government does something you don't like you either have to start a war or take it. So fuck all you left whiners guberment loving bitches. I will stick with the thing I trust and can get rid of if it does something I don't like.

 

[Wiseacre]

Not many unquestionably trust big biz, not sure why you would assume the right unquestionably trusts them. I think the vast majority, including most conservatives, are aware that there has to be some oversight and regulation of big biz. Maybe we're only arguing about the degree of regulation that is required. We've gotta find the happy medium between cost and effectiveness, unfortunately we seem to swing wildly from one extreme to the other.

 

[occupied]

A better question would be is why are some people reflexively closing ranks around the banking/financial industry? They have become a clear threat to our economic well being, they openly buy our politicians of both parties, they control our economic policy for their benefit alone. I think it is Stockholm syndrome, we have been at their mercy for so long that some of the hostages are starting to identify with them.

Before you tear down any system it would help if you had another one ready to replace it. Furthermore, and this is very important, it also helps that you have another system that historically worked better then the one you're tearing down before you tear down the current system. *Duh*

I'm sure if you put any system under a microscope, you can find flaws in it. If you're warped enough and have enough imagination it's easy to dream up compelling arguments on how screwed up that system is. That's what's going on here. Using well publicized misdeeds of Enron and other popular examples the left has presented to us over the last 10 years or so, you are attempting to prove your point, failing to see that the system we've had in place for the last 100 years or more has worked better than any other in history.

Perhaps that is why the left hates it.

Course that won't detour those who want to destroy a highly successful economy.

Using preposterous arguments like profit is evil, thus the American Dream is evil, they attempt to tear down a thriving economy so that hedgefunders can make billions off of the collapse that is soon to follow.

What's wrong with Capitalism isn't really at issue here. What we have here is an attempt by some to profit off of the suffering of others. Class-warfare is just another way of doing it, using pawns like yourself of course. It's small wonder that the gap between the rich and the poor is widening. The poor and the middle-class are who suffers in any economic upheaval.

When you attack job creators you destroy jobs.

No shit??????

It's amazing that the Democrats to this day are publically scratching their heads about the struggling economy. They try desperately to blame it all on anyone but the real perps. They don't want us to know that Nancy Pelsoi and her lot caused the very thing you and others like you are protesting.
Folks like Pelosi, Reid, and even establishment Repugs like Boehner are quietly working to make money for themselves and their donors while the debt mounts. They act like they're in opposition but in fact they're working together to builk us out of our excess cash. The difference between Obama and Congress is at least they aren't so obvious about it.
Getting back to the purpose of the OP.........We don't love job creators. We just know by using our own common-sense that nothing positive comes from trying to get rid of them. It's as simple as that.

I'm extremely frustrated with the crap that continues to go on in Washington. I have to put my retirement off indefinently because of it. Anyone who claims that I'm happy with that is foolish. I'm at the point that if some protestor were to yell this in my face does so at their own peril. By the time I get done with them the only thing that will beat them to a hospital is the headlights of the ambulance that carries them there. I feel most of us feel the same frustration. This is the only violence your average Tea Party member is capable of, not the crap that we're seeing from the OWS.

That's an awful lot of angry typing and empty threats to just prove my point, no one is trying to destroy our economic system on the left unless of course it cannot function without corruption and fraud. If it is indeed dependent on underhanded behavior then there is a fatal flaw in our system that will eventually destroy it without anyone doing anything. When a banker buys off a politician BOTH are guilty of bribery and BOTH must be dealt with. This blindspot the right has concerning the Wall Street casino is almost pathological in it's severity.

 

[Oldstyle]

A better question would be is why are some people reflexively closing ranks around the banking/financial industry? They have become a clear threat to our economic well being, they openly buy our politicians of both parties, they control our economic policy for their benefit alone. I think it is Stockholm syndrome, we have been at their mercy for so long that some of the hostages are starting to identify with them.

Before you tear down any system it would help if you had another one ready to replace it. Furthermore, and this is very important, it also helps that you have another system that historically worked better then the one you're tearing down before you tear down the current system. *Duh*

I'm sure if you put any system under a microscope, you can find flaws in it. If you're warped enough and have enough imagination it's easy to dream up compelling arguments on how screwed up that system is. That's what's going on here. Using well publicized misdeeds of Enron and other popular examples the left has presented to us over the last 10 years or so, you are attempting to prove your point, failing to see that the system we've had in place for the last 100 years or more has worked better than any other in history.

Perhaps that is why the left hates it.

Course that won't detour those who want to destroy a highly successful economy.

Using preposterous arguments like profit is evil, thus the American Dream is evil, they attempt to tear down a thriving economy so that hedgefunders can make billions off of the collapse that is soon to follow.

What's wrong with Capitalism isn't really at issue here. What we have here is an attempt by some to profit off of the suffering of others. Class-warfare is just another way of doing it, using pawns like yourself of course. It's small wonder that the gap between the rich and the poor is widening. The poor and the middle-class are who suffers in any economic upheaval.

When you attack job creators you destroy jobs.

No shit??????

It's amazing that the Democrats to this day are publically scratching their heads about the struggling economy. They try desperately to blame it all on anyone but the real perps. They don't want us to know that Nancy Pelsoi and her lot caused the very thing you and others like you are protesting.
Folks like Pelosi, Reid, and even establishment Repugs like Boehner are quietly working to make money for themselves and their donors while the debt mounts. They act like they're in opposition but in fact they're working together to builk us out of our excess cash. The difference between Obama and Congress is at least they aren't so obvious about it.
Getting back to the purpose of the OP.........We don't love job creators. We just know by using our own common-sense that nothing positive comes from trying to get rid of them. It's as simple as that.

I'm extremely frustrated with the crap that continues to go on in Washington. I have to put my retirement off indefinently because of it. Anyone who claims that I'm happy with that is foolish. I'm at the point that if some protestor were to yell this in my face does so at their own peril. By the time I get done with them the only thing that will beat them to a hospital is the headlights of the ambulance that carries them there. I feel most of us feel the same frustration. This is the only violence your average Tea Party member is capable of, not the crap that we're seeing from the OWS.

That's an awful lot of angry typing and empty threats to just prove my point, no one is trying to destroy our economic system on the left unless of course it cannot function without corruption and fraud. If it is indeed dependent on underhanded behavior then there is a fatal flaw in our system that will eventually destroy it without anyone doing anything. When a banker buys off a politician BOTH are guilty of bribery and BOTH must be dealt with. This blindspot the right has concerning the Wall Street casino is almost pathological in it's severity.

Blind spot the right has? May I remind you that Barack Obama got FAR more money from Wall Street in 2008 then McCain? Could your blind spot be that the Democrats are just as bad about taking bribe money from Wall Street as the Republicans?

 

[occupied]

Blind spot the right has? May I remind you that Barack Obama got FAR more money from Wall Street in 2008 then McCain? Could your blind spot be that the Democrats are just as bad about taking bribe money from Wall Street as the Republicans?
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See how you automatically attacked the crooked cops and left the mobsters out of it wiseguy?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Blind spot the right has? May I remind you that Barack Obama got FAR more money from Wall Street in 2008 then McCain? Could your blind spot be that the Democrats are just as bad about taking bribe money from Wall Street as the Republicans?
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See how you automatically attacked the crooked cops and left the mobsters out of it wiseguy?

That's not a blind spot you idiot it's a known fact.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

Getting back to the purpose of the OP.........We don't love job creators. We just know by using our own common-sense that nothing positive comes from trying to get rid of them. It's as simple as that.

No one's TRYING to get rid of them, dumbass, what we're TRYING to do is get all of their money OUT of our government (unions too). Them buying legislature and sitting on regulatory boards and effectively passing legislation that benefits ONLY them is what is destroying this country, and we need to stop it NOW. This is precisely what OWS is protesting and asking for.

Like I said before, no one but an individual should be able give to the election process (and corporations are NOT PEOPLE), and cap that at $100. No PAC's, no lobbyists, no more buying our government and selling out this country to the highest bidder. Until this happens, nothing will change and our decline will be irreversable. We will become a 3rd world country run by corporations disguised as government. Read up on Monsanto and the other big agra monopolies if you don't believe me.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

point, failing to see that the system we've had in place for the last 100 years or more has worked better than any other in history.

Um. No, it isn't better than any other in history - obviously it has been a disaster - plutocracy will never create a "better system". Ever. Just look around you. Jesus H Christ...