Why do you support liberalism?

[Oddball]

Paranoid much?

 

[rightwinger]

Paranoid much?

He is absolutely correct.

"Moral, fair and honest" is used to say..... I want you to believe as I do

 

[Shorebreak]

I'm getting in this discussion kinda late, but I support liberalism because it's what gave us the Bill of Rights and is the basis of individual liberty.

I certainly don't support socialism or centralised government - both of which are the bane of a system that is centered upon the liberties and the voice of each individual. But I'm in full favor of a liberal system of representative government that places each persons liberty and voice ahead of the desires of government, and which (when applied honestly) places the will of the citizens above the will of government officials.

When it comes to how individuals choose to live their lives, I lean quite far to the conservative side of the spectrum in hopes that people would choose moral, fair, and honest lifestyles. In terms of government, I prefer a government that basically keeps its hands off my stack and lets us live as we choose.

There was a time when I wished that the government would take a stand for conservative morality and lifestyle, but I've since begun to understand that pundits and others who blast that horn are only using it to create political division and distraction from the liberty framework in our constitution so that we turn away from liberty and towards a system that seeks to control many of our daily activities.

That understanding helps me to remain aware of left/right and liberal/conservative ideological traps that are used to keep us separated and to keep us bickering about non-productive issues rather than focusing on maintaining the foundational structure of our LIBERAL Constitution.

And that's why I support liberalism.

Those are usually code words. Fair and honest - fine.

Moral? To me, discrimination against the gays is "immoral". To many right wingers, moral would be "killing the gays".

So how did "gays" come up? "Lifestyle" for the right wing is code for gays. As if their "lifestyle" included eating babies or having moonlight blood orgies. Worse, many conservatives don't even know where gays come from. They think they might be "immigrants".

All I said is that I'm against legislating morality. Your response is completely out of context.

Lifestyle to me is how I choose to live my life. It might mean I like to live near the beach and have a low-pressure job. Or not. No codes. Gay or straight has nothing to do with it.

When it comes to gay or straight, I personally prefer straight. I teach my children that gay is immoral, but if someone chooses gay, the government should have zero say in the matter. I also teach my children that although someone may act immorally in one way or another, our role is not to judge them, but to love and accept them as a child of God who is imperfect - just like we are.

But that's a personal decision, not a government decision. I have friends who are gay. They know that I'm opposed to a gay lifestyle, but they also know that they are welcome and valued by me as unique individuals who are equal in my eyes and in the eyes of God.

The government has no business legislating morality unless the issues have a measurable impact on the Constitutional rights of others.

 

[Shorebreak]

Paranoid much?

He is absolutely correct.

"Moral, fair and honest" is used to say..... I want you to believe as I do

To me those are used to say "This is how I choose to live".

If you choose otherwise, I really don't give a hang. And neither should the government, so long as the rights of others aren't being violated.

 

[Oddball]

Paranoid much?

He is absolutely correct.

"Moral, fair and honest" is used to say..... I want you to believe as I do

Golly...Where do I get one o' them moonbat secret agent decoder rings?

 

[Papa Jack]

"Why do you support liberalism?"

Although I proudly admit to being a life long Democrat, I would not think of myself as strictly a "liberal." I consider myself to be, much like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barrack Obama, to be very much a "middle-of-the-roader. But, since many others who are so into labels would consider me, Carter, Clinton, and Obama to be wild-eyed radical liberals, then I'll gladly answer the question.

I support Liberalism because it is the only political entity today who is willing to work on solving problems. You don't have to agree with us, and I know many of you will fight, tooth and nail, against anything we propose..............but, we are still the only hope for starting the debate on the issues that are going to cause us to follow in the footsteps of Greece unless solved.

Our opponents had years and years to work on health care reform, Green Technology, energy independence, Medicare, and social security reform. No one can deny they choose to punt the ball instead of doing any heavy lifting on those causes. Whether the proposals we put forth would make things better, or worse..........we're still willing to try to work on 'em.

The second reason many of you would call me a "Liberal" is because my party WILL work with the GOP on key issues. Not to say I approve of all of it, but no one can deny that Democrats gave the Republicans great support on things like Bush's tax cuts, Part "D" Medicare Reform, No Child Left Behind, his decision to invade both Afghanistan, and Iraq, and his TARP bailout. This is something that is lacking in today's GOP because, for whatever reason, they refuse to work seriously to solve what we will have to address if we are going to continue to function as a nation!

 

[Shorebreak]

"Why do you support liberalism?"

Although I proudly admit to being a life long Democrat, I would not think of myself as strictly a "liberal." I consider myself to be, much like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barrack Obama, to be very much a "middle-of-the-roader. But, since many others who are so into labels would consider me, Carter, Clinton, and Obama to be wild-eyed radical liberals, then I'll gladly answer the question.

I support Liberalism because it is the only political entity today who is willing to work on solving problems. You don't have to agree with us, and I know many of you will fight, tooth and nail, against anything we propose..............but, we are still the only hope for starting the debate on the issues that are going to cause us to follow in the footsteps of Greece unless solved.

Our opponents had years and years to work on health care reform, Green Technology, energy independence, Medicare, and social security reform. No one can deny they choose to punt the ball instead of doing any heavy lifting on those causes. Whether the proposals we put forth would make things better, or worse..........we're still willing to try to work on 'em.

The second reason many of you would call me a "Liberal" is because my party WILL work with the GOP on key issues. Not to say I approve of all of it, but no one can deny that Democrats gave the Republicans great support on things like Bush's tax cuts, Part "D" Medicare Reform, No Child Left Behind, his decision to invade both Afghanistan, and Iraq, and his TARP bailout. This is something that is lacking in today's GOP because, for whatever reason, they refuse to work seriously to solve what we will have to address if we are going to continue to function as a nation!

Seems to be a textbook case of believing in the left/right paradigm that's promoted by the White House and by the mainstream propagandists from ABCNNPBSFOXMSNBCBS disinformation network.

My advice: Get Help.

 

[Papa Jack]

"Why do you support liberalism?"

Although I proudly admit to being a life long Democrat, I would not think of myself as strictly a "liberal." I consider myself to be, much like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barrack Obama, to be very much a "middle-of-the-roader. But, since many others who are so into labels would consider me, Carter, Clinton, and Obama to be wild-eyed radical liberals, then I'll gladly answer the question.

I support Liberalism because it is the only political entity today who is willing to work on solving problems. You don't have to agree with us, and I know many of you will fight, tooth and nail, against anything we propose..............but, we are still the only hope for starting the debate on the issues that are going to cause us to follow in the footsteps of Greece unless solved.

Our opponents had years and years to work on health care reform, Green Technology, energy independence, Medicare, and social security reform. No one can deny they choose to punt the ball instead of doing any heavy lifting on those causes. Whether the proposals we put forth would make things better, or worse..........we're still willing to try to work on 'em.

The second reason many of you would call me a "Liberal" is because my party WILL work with the GOP on key issues. Not to say I approve of all of it, but no one can deny that Democrats gave the Republicans great support on things like Bush's tax cuts, Part "D" Medicare Reform, No Child Left Behind, his decision to invade both Afghanistan, and Iraq, and his TARP bailout. This is something that is lacking in today's GOP because, for whatever reason, they refuse to work seriously to solve what we will have to address if we are going to continue to function as a nation!

Seems to be a textbook case of believing in the left/right paradigm that's promoted by the White House and by the mainstream propagandists from ABCNNPBSFOXMSNBCBS disinformation network.

My advice: Get Help.

Thanks for the offer of "getting help." I can't deny I need all that I can get.

Be that as it may, it doesn't escape the fact that our nation is facing dire problems. These problems, if not faced, will very rapidly take us down the same road we now see Greece heading. But, in our case there is one huge difference..............there will be NO ONE to bail us out!

Now, these problems we face can ONLY be addressed in the Halls of Congress. There is no where else for a solution to be found for what is around the road in Social Security, Medicare, energy dependence, and health care.

As much as many of you enjoy the "political game" of gotcha, and one-upmanship, and hurling political insults...............the only thing that lunacy is doing is making it harder and harder for the dwindling number of legislators who are willing to work on major solutions to do their job.

For those who love their politics like they enjoy their wrestling..........have at it. I'm old enough that I'll likely outlive the collapse that political climate guarantees you. Go ahead and laugh all the way to the cliff!

 

[peach174]

Why does 40 or 44% of americans want so much government control?
We are supposed to have fredom from government.
Why do so many hate our constisution? Because if it was followed we wounld not be in this financial perdiciment in the first place

 

[Oddball]

It's not even that many.

The progressive/socialist left is 20% of the population, tops.

 

[Shorebreak]

"Why do you support liberalism?"

Although I proudly admit to being a life long Democrat, I would not think of myself as strictly a "liberal." I consider myself to be, much like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barrack Obama, to be very much a "middle-of-the-roader. But, since many others who are so into labels would consider me, Carter, Clinton, and Obama to be wild-eyed radical liberals, then I'll gladly answer the question.

I support Liberalism because it is the only political entity today who is willing to work on solving problems. You don't have to agree with us, and I know many of you will fight, tooth and nail, against anything we propose..............but, we are still the only hope for starting the debate on the issues that are going to cause us to follow in the footsteps of Greece unless solved.

Our opponents had years and years to work on health care reform, Green Technology, energy independence, Medicare, and social security reform. No one can deny they choose to punt the ball instead of doing any heavy lifting on those causes. Whether the proposals we put forth would make things better, or worse..........we're still willing to try to work on 'em.

The second reason many of you would call me a "Liberal" is because my party WILL work with the GOP on key issues. Not to say I approve of all of it, but no one can deny that Democrats gave the Republicans great support on things like Bush's tax cuts, Part "D" Medicare Reform, No Child Left Behind, his decision to invade both Afghanistan, and Iraq, and his TARP bailout. This is something that is lacking in today's GOP because, for whatever reason, they refuse to work seriously to solve what we will have to address if we are going to continue to function as a nation!

Seems to be a textbook case of believing in the left/right paradigm that's promoted by the White House and by the mainstream propagandists from ABCNNPBSFOXMSNBCBS disinformation network.

My advice: Get Help.

Thanks for the offer of "getting help." I can't deny I need all that I can get.

Be that as it may, it doesn't escape the fact that our nation is facing dire problems. These problems, if not faced, will very rapidly take us down the same road we now see Greece heading. But, in our case there is one huge difference..............there will be NO ONE to bail us out!

Now, these problems we face can ONLY be addressed in the Halls of Congress. There is no where else for a solution to be found for what is around the road in Social Security, Medicare, energy dependence, and health care.

As much as many of you enjoy the "political game" of gotcha, and one-upmanship, and hurling political insults...............the only thing that lunacy is doing is making it harder and harder for the dwindling number of legislators who are willing to work on major solutions to do their job.

For those who love their politics like they enjoy their wrestling..........have at it. I'm old enough that I'll likely outlive the collapse that political climate guarantees you. Go ahead and laugh all the way to the cliff!

Belive it or not, you and i share many of the same sentiments.

While I agree with you that we need some serious fixes, my opinion is that most of the mess that our government has worked so hard to intentionally create - and I include ole Slick, the Nut Planter, the bona fide actor who played President, Bush 41 and his progeny, and the current PR disaster named Obama - all of whom were placed in office by private finance interests - as direct contributors to the creation and compounding of our problems.

My response to you may have seemed to discard the problems that we face, but trust me, I do not discard them. What I discard is ANY and ALL credibility that any gullible fool might attribute to any resident of the White House over the last 30+ years.

 

[Papa Jack]

Why does 40 or 44% of americans want so much government control?We are supposed to have fredom from government.
Why do so many hate our constisution? Because if it was followed we wounld not be in this financial perdiciment in the first place

Why do so may, especially those in the GOP and the Tea Party movement, equate working on solutions to major problems as "government control?"

Do you not agree that there are issues that, if not addressed, will completely cripple this country? Do you honestly think a resolution to those problems can be found any where else but in Congress?

I agree with you that had we done things differently over the past 30 years we would not be facing these problems. That has absolutely nothing to do with where we now are! We've made a ton of mistakes in the past! Now, we either let those mistakes wreck us, or we act like grownups and work to correct 'em.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Why does 40 or 44% of americans want so much government control?We are supposed to have fredom from government.
Why do so many hate our constisution? Because if it was followed we wounld not be in this financial perdiciment in the first place

Why do so may, especially those in the GOP and the Tea Party movement, equate working on solutions to major problems as "government control?"

Do you not agree that there are issues that, if not addressed, will completely cripple this country? Do you honestly think a resolution to those problems can be found any where else but in Congress?

I agree with you that had we done things differently over the past 30 years we would not be facing these problems. That has absolutely nothing to do with where we now are! We've made a ton of mistakes in the past! Now, we either let those mistakes wreck us, or we act like grownups and work to correct 'em.

What problems has the government ever fixed?

 

[Oddball]

Why does 40 or 44% of americans want so much government control?We are supposed to have fredom from government.
Why do so many hate our constisution? Because if it was followed we wounld not be in this financial perdiciment in the first place

Why do so may, especially those in the GOP and the Tea Party movement, equate working on solutions to major problems as "government control?"

Do you not agree that there are issues that, if not addressed, will completely cripple this country? Do you honestly think a resolution to those problems can be found any where else but in Congress?

I agree with you that had we done things differently over the past 30 years we would not be facing these problems. That has absolutely nothing to do with where we now are! We've made a ton of mistakes in the past! Now, we either let those mistakes wreck us, or we act like grownups and work to correct 'em.

Most of those "mistakes" have been caused by misguided do-gooder/moral preening gubmint policies.

How do you expect to trust the arsonist to put out the fire?

 

[KMAN]

"Why do you support liberalism?"

Although I proudly admit to being a life long Democrat, I would not think of myself as strictly a "liberal." I consider myself to be, much like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barrack Obama, to be very much a "middle-of-the-roader. But, since many others who are so into labels would consider me, Carter, Clinton, and Obama to be wild-eyed radical liberals, then I'll gladly answer the question.

I support Liberalism because it is the only political entity today who is willing to work on solving problems. You don't have to agree with us, and I know many of you will fight, tooth and nail, against anything we propose..............but, we are still the only hope for starting the debate on the issues that are going to cause us to follow in the footsteps of Greece unless solved.

Our opponents had years and years to work on health care reform, Green Technology, energy independence, Medicare, and social security reform. No one can deny they choose to punt the ball instead of doing any heavy lifting on those causes. Whether the proposals we put forth would make things better, or worse..........we're still willing to try to work on 'em.

The second reason many of you would call me a "Liberal" is because my party WILL work with the GOP on key issues. Not to say I approve of all of it, but no one can deny that Democrats gave the Republicans great support on things like Bush's tax cuts, Part "D" Medicare Reform, No Child Left Behind, his decision to invade both Afghanistan, and Iraq, and his TARP bailout. This is something that is lacking in today's GOP because, for whatever reason, they refuse to work seriously to solve what we will have to address if we are going to continue to function as a nation!

I'm sorry but locking Republicans out of health care meetings is not really WORKING with the opposing party...

And as far as heading towards Greece... What do you think spending ungodly amounts of money is going to do to our country if it's not going to bankrupt us like Greece????

 

[Bern80]

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then ... we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal." [JFK September 14, 1960]

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Captured perfectly.

Yes, yes, rah, rah, blah, blah. If you think todays liberals have much in common with JFK, you are sadly mistaken. Actions speak louder than words and in the case of our elected officials one only needs to look at the legislation has been passed by them to see the true face of liberalism today. It is bigger, centralized government. It is an entitlement mentality and a rejection of personal responsibility. Far different than what Kennedy stood for. I would be extremely surprised, were he alive today, if he would have favored the recent health care reform.

 

[Papa Jack]

Seems to be a textbook case of believing in the left/right paradigm that's promoted by the White House and by the mainstream propagandists from ABCNNPBSFOXMSNBCBS disinformation network.

My advice: Get Help.

Thanks for the offer of "getting help." I can't deny I need all that I can get.

Be that as it may, it doesn't escape the fact that our nation is facing dire problems. These problems, if not faced, will very rapidly take us down the same road we now see Greece heading. But, in our case there is one huge difference..............there will be NO ONE to bail us out!

Now, these problems we face can ONLY be addressed in the Halls of Congress. There is no where else for a solution to be found for what is around the road in Social Security, Medicare, energy dependence, and health care.

As much as many of you enjoy the "political game" of gotcha, and one-upmanship, and hurling political insults...............the only thing that lunacy is doing is making it harder and harder for the dwindling number of legislators who are willing to work on major solutions to do their job.

For those who love their politics like they enjoy their wrestling..........have at it. I'm old enough that I'll likely outlive the collapse that political climate guarantees you. Go ahead and laugh all the way to the cliff!

Belive it or not, you and i share many of the same sentiments.

While I agree with you that we need some serious fixes, my opinion is that most of the mess that our government has worked so hard to intentionally create - and I include ole Slick, the Nut Planter, the bona fide actor who played President, Bush 41 and his progeny, and the current PR disaster named Obama - all of whom were placed in office by private finance interests - as direct contributors to the creation and compounding of our problems.

My response to you may have seemed to discard the problems that we face, but trust me, I do not discard them. What I discard is ANY and ALL credibility that any gullible fool might attribute to any resident of the White House over the last 30+ years.

I also, if given my "druthers," would willingly throw out all the bums and start from scratch.

Sadly, such an option is not a possibility.

As I said in another post, I agree that the damage we've done to ourselves is self inflicted. For myself, saying "we're here because so many idiots did so many idiotic things in the past" is no reason to give up on working to correct those earlier idiotic decisions.

We are either going to solve our national problems with some of the idiots who got us in the pickle we now find ourselves, or we throw up our hands and give in.

 

[Papa Jack]

Why does 40 or 44% of americans want so much government control?We are supposed to have fredom from government.
Why do so many hate our constisution? Because if it was followed we wounld not be in this financial perdiciment in the first place

Why do so may, especially those in the GOP and the Tea Party movement, equate working on solutions to major problems as "government control?"

Do you not agree that there are issues that, if not addressed, will completely cripple this country? Do you honestly think a resolution to those problems can be found any where else but in Congress?

I agree with you that had we done things differently over the past 30 years we would not be facing these problems. That has absolutely nothing to do with where we now are! We've made a ton of mistakes in the past! Now, we either let those mistakes wreck us, or we act like grownups and work to correct 'em.

What problems has the government ever fixed?

When "government" has gotten serious about working on really major issues, it has done a remarkable job! Just to name a few.................got us out of The Great Depression, won a couple of World Wars, brought the veterans home from World war II and created the greatest middle class in the history of the world, built an interstate highway system which was the envy of the world, did the same by building a great public school system.

"Government" can work............most of the reason it no longer does so is because of us! Too many of us now prefer our politics to be more like professional wrestling instead of a method of working on the problems we face.

 

[Papa Jack]

Why does 40 or 44% of americans want so much government control?We are supposed to have fredom from government.
Why do so many hate our constisution? Because if it was followed we wounld not be in this financial perdiciment in the first place

Why do so may, especially those in the GOP and the Tea Party movement, equate working on solutions to major problems as "government control?"

Do you not agree that there are issues that, if not addressed, will completely cripple this country? Do you honestly think a resolution to those problems can be found any where else but in Congress?

I agree with you that had we done things differently over the past 30 years we would not be facing these problems. That has absolutely nothing to do with where we now are! We've made a ton of mistakes in the past! Now, we either let those mistakes wreck us, or we act like grownups and work to correct 'em.

Most of those "mistakes" have been caused by misguided do-gooder/moral preening gubmint policies.

How do you expect to trust the arsonist to put out the fire?

As I've said several times before, I totally agree we are now in the shape we're in because of past political mistakes. I don't know how many other ways to say "I AGREE!"

But, with that being said, what is the alternative to agreeing we screwed up in the past and working on a solution to turn it around?

I cannot fathom this attitude of "they messed up yesterday, so let's not do squat about it tomorrow!"

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Why do so may, especially those in the GOP and the Tea Party movement, equate working on solutions to major problems as "government control?"

Do you not agree that there are issues that, if not addressed, will completely cripple this country? Do you honestly think a resolution to those problems can be found any where else but in Congress?

I agree with you that had we done things differently over the past 30 years we would not be facing these problems. That has absolutely nothing to do with where we now are! We've made a ton of mistakes in the past! Now, we either let those mistakes wreck us, or we act like grownups and work to correct 'em.

What problems has the government ever fixed?

When "government" has gotten serious about working on really major issues, it has done a remarkable job! Just to name a few.................got us out of The Great Depression, won a couple of World Wars, brought the veterans home from World war II and created the greatest middle class in the history of the world, built an interstate highway system which was the envy of the world, did the same by building a great public school system.

"Government" can work............most of the reason it no longer does so is because of us! Too many of us now prefer our politics to be more like professional wrestling instead of a method of working on the problems we face.

That all you got? The war got us out of the great depression, it wasn't nothing the government did.

The rest of your examples are rather lame. Setting aside the World Wars, please show the problems in the interstate highway system and public schools that the government fixed.

I asked a simple question. What problems has the government fixed?

First identify the problem then show how the government fixed it. Pretty simple task.