Why do you support illegal immigration?

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    FYI - Illegal Immigration is a crime. Lawyer, Lawyers, Attorney, Attorneys, Law, Legal Information - FindLaw


    So why do you support illegal immigration?



    United States Code
    TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
    CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
    SUBCHAPTER II - IMMIGRATION
    PART VIII - GENERAL PENALTY PROVISIONS


    U.S. Code as of: 01/03/05
    Section 1325. Improper entry by alien

    (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
    misrepresentation and concealment of facts
    Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
    at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
    officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
    officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
    States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
    willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
    commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
    imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
    commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
    imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
    (b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
    Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
    enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
    designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
    penalty of -
    (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
    attempted entry); or
    (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
    an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
    this subsection.

    Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
    in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
    imposed.
    (c) Marriage fraud
    Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
    purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
    imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
    $250,000, or both.
    (d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
    Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
    for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
    shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
    with title 18, or both.
     
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    So is smoking pot. So was anal sex between consenting adults in some states until 4 seconds ago. So was spitting on the sidewalk. So was being black and drinking from the wrong water fountain not all that long ago in some places. All laws.

    So I'm going to change your question from the misnomer you presented. Why does illegal immigration not concern me?

    In my view the talking points about expenses to government is overblown. Largely,we are talking about education and healthcare services.

    Everyone should be allowed access to institutions of education. In my view, not even building a wall (that no one wants to pay for) will stop the majority of illegal immigration. Its just too big of a land border. If thats the case, then we don't want to force these people into dependency and poverty and enable them to be self dependent. Education is the single greatest investment government can make, and it should be denied to no one. In my view, denying education to illegals only encourages the social problems that come with immigrants from what is basically a third world country.

    On healthcare, I'm just never going to support turning people away from the emergency room, I don't care who they are.

    So those two expenses are acceptable to me.

    With that said, these people really do provide needed services in many industries. These people can't go collect welfare or other public assistance, so they are forced into these below wage jobs. Kicking illegals out of the country en masse sounds great to some, until their cost to have their offices cleaned increases x5.

    And my overriding principle is simple. If I'm standing in a third world country looking over a fence at the richest country in the world with the most jobs in the world, I'm going, not standing around thinking about the morality of the issue. These people simply are trying to get theirs, just like we all wake up and do every day.
     
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    So are you saying that if the whole country of Mexico wants to come to the US that American citizens should pay for it? Currently there are about 20 million illegals here (estimate obviously differ) but if they are made legal and let's say they bring just 2 of their family members to the US, that's 60 million new citizens just like that. We currently have roughly 300 million people in this country so we will be adding 20% to the population. With our economy the way it is right now do you think this country could survive?

    I assume you would not have a problem if an illegal immigrant broke into your house because he was looking for a new place to live, no? Or would you rather they ask your permission?
     
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    And if they all brought 10 family members, that would be 220 million. Is this really your argument? You fear that the entire population of Mexico is going to cross the border?
     
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    No, I want to know why you are for illegal immigration. So why are you for it?
     
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    I think Reality pretty much conveys my sentiments as well.
     
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    Reasonable fear. 20 percent of Mexico is ALREADY here illegally. Why? Because the 80's our idiot Government had an amnesty and granted a slew of illegals the right to stay. Now they want to do the EXACT same thing for 20 million more.

    In a couple years when we have another 20 MILLION illegal Mexicans in the country we can all give them an amnesty too. AT this rate Mexico will be part of the use soon enough.
     
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    Ok so I ask you the same questions....

    So are you saying that if the whole country of Mexico wants to come to the US that American citizens should pay for it? Currently there are about 20 million illegals here (estimate obviously differ) but if they are made legal and let's say they bring just 2 of their family members to the US, that's 60 million new citizens just like that. We currently have roughly 300 million people in this country so we will be adding 20% to the population. With our economy the way it is right now do you think this country could survive?

    I assume you would not have a problem if an illegal immigrant broke into your house because he was looking for a new place to live, no? Or would you rather they ask your permission?
     
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    Great. Manifest Destiny going south. We get Mexico and then Canada and there is no stopping us. Pretty soon we also have the sweet beaches of Costa Rica.
     
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    Illegal ALIENS should be deported, they should be hunted down, rounded up and evicted from this country. And the border should be made secure so they can not just walk back in.

    Anyone that makes a habit of hiring them should be fined until they get the idea it does not pay to hire them. Anyone caught smuggling them in should be jailed for 10 years and if not an American citizen deported when the term is up.

    That you dumb shits think it is nothing to pay for 20 MILLION illegals schooling and medical care is amazing. They do NOT pay taxes, no property tax and no income tax. They pay nothing into the school system they pay nothing into the medical system, they are a complete dead weight. And there are 20 MILLION of them. 20 percent of Mexico is in the US illegally. 1 in 5. There are about 300 million American citizens that means for 15 Americans there is an illegal Mexican in this country. With the potential to climb even higher.

    And you dipsticks want amnesty. Amnesty did not work before, it made it WORSE. Ever hear the one about learning from history not to make the same mistakes over and over?
     

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