Why do the libs still blame Bush? And How far off Is A.P.s poll?

[yota5]

How long did people keep talking about Clinton during Bush's term? Did you think we wouldn't remember?

No I do not remember, there was this little event called 9-11 that changed the world

JRK, the poll results shouldn't really surprise you. If you look at the polling results the margin between approval and disapproval narrows dramatically when only likely voters are polled. I question the poll results too. How can job approval be at 52% when over 60% of the country thinks that the President is moving this great nation in the wrong direction?

Obama's, Achilles heel is the economy. I predict that when gas prices pass $5.00/ gal this summer the outrage of the American public will bring the Socialist in Chief to his political knees. Little things such as his giving 5 Billion dollars of borrowed money to Brazil, and Columbia to develop their oil industry while strangling domestic oil exploration isn't going to set well with people paying over $100.00/ fill up. Some Americans commute over 100 miles/ day to their jobs. This is going to hurt them the most.

Komrad, America was talking about slick willies sexual scandals, and propensity for prevarication. Chester the molester was in the White House. You can't show me one reference to President Bush blaming Clinton for anything. Obama, is like a little boy. He can't accept responsibility for anything. But the lib's did everything that they could to undermine President Bush, didn't they? Now go crawl back under your communist rock.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBchVE&feature=related]YouTube - Democrats Hypocrisy Over The Iraq War[/ame]

The last half of this video contrasts sharply with the first half. The bottom line is that liberals can not be trusted. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBchVE&feature=related]YouTube - Democrats Hypocrisy Over The Iraq War[/ame]

 

[JRK]

Everyone knows The agreement beetween Iraq and the US to end the war in Iarq was signed in 2008
US, Iraq agree on date for pullout - The Boston Globe

On October 16, 2008, after several more months of negotiations, U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice briefed senior U.S. lawmakers on the draft SOFA, and Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki prepared to circulate it with Iraq's Political National Security Council before going on to the Council of Ministers and the Iraqi parliament. Despite a compromise on the issue of jurisdiction over off-duty U.S. troops who commit crimes under Iraqi law, issues related to the timeline for U.S. withdrawal and Iraqi insistence on "absolute sovereignty" remained.[25]
Approval process

On November 16, Iraq's Cabinet approved the agreements; on November 27, the Iraqi Parliament ratified them; on December 4, Iraq's presidential council approved the security pacts.[26]
Approval by Iraqi Cabinet
On November 16, 2008, Iraq's Cabinet approved the agreement, which cited the end of 2009 for the pull out of US troops from Iraqi cities, and 2011 as the fixed deadline for removal of US military presence in country. US concessions involved a ban on U.S. forces searching and raiding homes without Iraqi approval, the right of Iraqis to search shipments of weapons and packages entering the country for U.S. recipients, and the right of Iraq's justice system to prosecute American troops for serious crimes under some circumstances. The vote was passed by 27 of the 37-member cabinet, of which nine members were absent and one opposing. The agreement then went before Parliament.[27] However, on November 19 the Iraqi Parliament was adjourned for a day after lawmakers loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr shouted down the second reading of the agreement's text. Speaker Mahmoud al-Mashhadani adjourned the session after Sadrist MP Ahmed al-Massoudi aggressively approached a lawmaker from the ruling coalition, who was reading aloud the text of the agreement.[28]
The Aswat al-Iraq news agency reported a mixed reaction among the Iraqi population at large to news of cabinet approval of the agreement. Residents of Sadr City in Baghdad, a stronghold of Muqtada al-Sadr, said they believed the agreement was signed too quickly[29], while a broader 'vox pop' of Iraqis around the country said they thought the agreement would become a point of contention[30]
The same day, Secretaries Gates and Rice held classified briefings for U.S. lawmakers behind closed doors, and neither official commented to reporters. Democratic Representative William Delahunt said: "There has been no meaningful consultation with Congress during the negotiations of this agreement and the American people for all intents and purposes have been completely left out." And Oona Hathaway, Professor Law at the University of California at Berkeley called the lack of consultation with United States Congress unprecedented, asserting that aspects of the accord exceed the independent constitutional powers of the President of the United States.[31]
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki warned Iraq would not seek to extend the UN mandate of U.S. troops and they would pull out immediately if the Iraqi parliament failed to approve a pact.[32] Tariq al Hashimi, the country's Sunni Muslim vice president, complained the U.S. would cease providing many "wide-scale services" if Iraq did not approve the pact. Hashimi said many Iraqis looked "to this attitude as a matter of blackmailing."[33]
First signing of the agreement
On November 17, 2008, the Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari and U.S. ambassador Ryan Crocker signed the agreement in an official ceremony.[34]
Ratification by Iraqi Parliament
On November 27, 2008, the Iraqi Parliament ratified a Status of Forces Agreement with the United States, establishing that U.S. combat forces will withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011, but allowing for further negotiation if the Iraqi Prime Minister believes Iraq is not stable enough. The pact requires criminal charges for holding prisoners over 24 hours, and requires a warrant for searches of homes and buildings that are not related to combat.[3] U.S. contractors will be subject to Iraqi criminal law. If U.S. forces commit still undecided "major premeditated felonies" while off-duty and off-base, they will be subject to the still undecided procedures laid out by a joint U.S.-Iraq committee if the U.S. certifies the forces were off-duty.[4][5][6][3] A referendum of Iraqis will be held in mid-2009 on the pact, which may require Coalition forces to leave by the middle of 2010.[1] Parliament also passed another U.S.-Iraqi bilateral pact called the Strategic Framework Agreement, aimed at ensuring minority Sunni interests and constitutional rights.[9]
In Iraq's Parliament, the pact was supported by 149 of 275 members (~54%) from SCIRI, Dawa, the two Kurdish parties and members of the Sunni-based Iraqi Accord Front.[35] The pact was opposed by 35 members, mostly from the Sadrist bloc.[36] 91 members did not vote, fearing for their future if they said yes, others fearing the same if they said no.[11]
Approval by Presidency Council
Further information: Presidency Council of Iraq
The Presidency Council of Iraq consists of one President and two deputies, or Vice-Presidents.[37] The Council currently consists of Kurdish President Jalal Talabani, Shi'a Vice President Adel Abdul Mahdi, and Sunni Vice President Tariq Al-Hashimi. The Council must agree to all decisions unanimously.[37]
On December 4, 2008 Iraq's presidential council approved the security pact. "Nothing has been changed (in the accord)", presidency secretary Nasir al-Ani said after it was reviewed by the body. The council decision marks the final hurdle for the pact in terms of Iraqi government or legislative approval.[26]

AND everyone knows that before Obama promised to bring our troops home, while McCain was wanting to keep them there for 100 years or more, Bush had NO exit "strategery". This plan was implemented by Bush because it was becoming apparent that McCain could not beat Obama by promising to keep our troops in Iraq indefinitely.

Bottom line is, dork: our troops are still in Iraq. And Afghanistan. And now we're meddling in other internal ME conflicts that we weren't before.

You're too stupid to be in this thread.

What gets me is the exit strategy for Iraq is going right on schedule as the link I gave him and he says there was none
as far as Afghanistan goes, it will never be in a place we can just walk away from it, we are just going to have to do it

And your right
Mr peace prize winner sure loves those drone attacks

 

[MarcATL]

The question isn't why are "libs" still blaming Bush, the question should be; Why don't Republicans blame him more?

KA-POW!!!

What should we blame Bush for?
allowing me to keep 24,000 dollars more of my income than Clinton did?
for tarp?
for doing the right thing when it came to protecting this country?

Let's START with ALLOWING the WORST attack in American soil in history.

Let's then move on to SPENDING the country into damn-near bankruptcy with 2 false wars.

Let's throw in putting our troops in HARMS WAY with said false war.

If you'd like to include, torture, besmirching America's name abroad, embarrassing the country and FAILING to find, capture and/or kill Bin Laden...please feel free.

Capice?

 

[Ernie S.]

LOL of course AP's poll must be off, it disagrees with you.

No it dis agrees with every other poll out there.
Look its obvious that Obama is the golden child. If I was a supporter of Obama that would bother me
Name one campaign promise he kept?

He got our troops out of Iraq.

And how that working out for you? April was the deadliest month for US troop in Iraq in a year and a half. It's strange I can only find that information on websites you'd consider too right leaning to be reliable.
Maybe a British Islamic political parties website will do???

April was the deadliest month

 

[JRK]

How long did people keep talking about Clinton during Bush's term? Did you think we wouldn't remember?

No I do not remember, there was this little event called 9-11 that changed the world

JRK, the poll results shouldn't really surprise you. If you look at the polling results the margin between approval and disapproval narrows dramatically when only likely voters are polled. I question the poll results too. How can job approval be at 52% when over 60% of the country thinks that the President is moving this great nation in the wrong direction?

Obama's, Achilles heel is the economy. I predict that when gas prices pass $5.00/ gal this summer the outrage of the American public will bring the Socialist in Chief to his political knees. Little things such as his giving 5 Billion dollars of borrowed money to Brazil, and Columbia to develop their oil industry while strangling domestic oil exploration isn't going to set well with people paying over $100.00/ fill up. Some Americans commute over 100 miles/ day to their jobs. This is going to hurt them the most.

Komrad, America was talking about slick willies sexual scandals, and propensity for prevarication. Chester the molester was in the White House. You can't show me one reference to President Bush blaming Clinton for anything. Obama, is like a little boy. He can't accept responsibility for anything. But the lib's did everything that they could to undermine President Bush, didn't they? Now go crawl back under your communist rock.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBchVE&feature=related]YouTube - Democrats Hypocrisy Over The Iraq War[/ame]

The last half of this video contrasts sharply with the first half. The bottom line is that liberals can not be trusted. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBchVE&feature=related]YouTube - Democrats Hypocrisy Over The Iraq War[/ame]

It is getting worse
The fact you added as well as in a 2012 race Obama vs anybody is a toss up
A.P. has become so desperate
they run a story that the story about the agreement between Afghanistan and W 10 years ago to do what did was ok was not true the second it broke, instead of trying to find out the truth an do some re search
They just asked Molikey like he was going to say yes

 

[LilOlLady]

How long did people keep talking about Clinton during Bush's term? Did you think we wouldn't remember?

No I do not remember, there was this little event called 9-11 that changed the world

9-11 did not change the world, It was not that big. We could have sent in Navy Seals after 9-11 and got OBl, but Bush invaded Afghanistan and then invaded Iraq changing the middle east and draining our economy. The biggerst blame is on Bush because he started this mess. 9-11 did not change anything, Bush did.

 

[Dr.Drock]

BushBots still to this day blame Clinton for 9/11, so you guys should give the same courtesy to ObamaBots and give him the same window that you've given yourselves.

Which probably means it'll be going on until the sun cools down.

 

[VaYank5150]

No it dis agrees with every other poll out there.
Look its obvious that Obama is the golden child. If I was a supporter of Obama that would bother me
Name one campaign promise he kept?

He got our troops out of Iraq.

And how that working out for you? April was the deadliest month for US troop in Iraq in a year and a half. It's strange I can only find that information on websites you'd consider too right leaning to be reliable.
Maybe a British Islamic political parties website will do???

April was the deadliest month

Anf this has WHAT to do with Obama keeping his campaign promise?

 

[rightwinger]

Is there a statute of limitation on Bush's decisions?

Seems he will be catching shit for generations. As well he should

 

[uscitizen]

Who needed an exit strategy for Iraq? Remember it was only going to last 6 months and cost maybe 40 billion anyway.

 

[MarcATL]

Radical RW Reactionary: "I broke my fingernail....I blame Obama!!"


CLASSIC!!!

 

[VaYank5150]

Who needed an exit strategy for Iraq? Remember it was only going to last 6 months and cost maybe 40 billion anyway.

Besides, the oil revenues would MORE than pay for the war, and oh, our troops would be greeted as liberators....

 

[uscitizen]

Who needed an exit strategy for Iraq? Remember it was only going to last 6 months and cost maybe 40 billion anyway.

Besides, the oil revenues would MORE than pay for the war, and oh, our troops would be greeted as liberators....

Ahh the selective memories of some.

 

[MarcATL]

Is there a statute of limitation on Bush's decisions?

Seems he will be catching shit for generations. As well he should

Exactly!!!

 

[signelect]

It is in our jeans to blame the other guy. Bush was not a great president but he is far better than Obama. Our problem is that Obama did not win we lost. We failed to provide leadership with Cain/Palin and the people chose Obama. We are still doing it. Trump is a joke, I love to watch the apprentice but no way is he a president of this country. Where is the conservative leader. I can't find him.

 

[Claudette]

It will be very interesting to see how history view the Obama presidency.

I have a few ideas but think I'll just wait and see.

 

[rdean]

Every week, we see another promise Obama kept.

Funny, wasn't there like "6 years" Republicans had all three branches of government? They could have spent more than 5 minutes on immigration but didn't. Oh, because they were so busy with Iraq? Well, they had time to pass a 2.4 trillion dollar tax cut through reconciliation and a "drugs for votes" bill costing trillions, again through reconciliation. Seems when it came to "borrowing and spending", they had all the time in the world.

 

[rdean]

It will be very interesting to see how history view the Obama presidency.

I have a few ideas but think I'll just wait and see.

Why wait? You can start here:

What the fuck has Obama done so far?

and end with "Killing Bin Laden".

 

[JRK]

It is in our jeans to blame the other guy. Bush was not a great president but he is far better than Obama. Our problem is that Obama did not win we lost. We failed to provide leadership with Cain/Palin and the people chose Obama. We are still doing it. Trump is a joke, I love to watch the apprentice but no way is he a president of this country. Where is the conservative leader. I can't find him.

It is hard to remove the want a bees from the real thing
I see a bunch of bull shit above about Iraq, I get so sick of hearing the same lies over and over
your right about the status of the conservative movement

 

[konradv]

How long did people keep talking about Clinton during Bush's term? Did you think we wouldn't remember?

No I do not remember, there was this little event called 9-11 that changed the world

What does that have to do with talking about Bush? Maybe your world changed, but to me it's the same as it ever was, good and evil.