Why do the God-haters persist?

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The answer to your question is, Prophecy.
How did David know about crucifixion? About piercing of hands and feet? An act that wouldn't exist for a thousand years? That Israel would be born in a day? That all nations would come against Israel? The countries that would invade Israel? That Christians would be beheaded?
1/4 of the Bible is prophesy. Accurate prophesy.
The Bible is the most accurate source of antiquity ever written. Those who make that claim use the Bible as the starting point to uncover our ancient past. IT HAS NEVER , REPEAT, NEVER BEEN FOUND INACCURATE. To the contrary, it is spot on. Archeologists depend on it.

Did you know that King David, a key player in the Bible, could have been described as a figment of Bible believers imagination? There was no evidence that He ever existed. Atheists had a field day with that one. Until they unearthed an ancient tablet describing a King's battle against the House of David.

Whether you believe in the word of God or the diggers, the Bible is sound.

This is even better:

A very simple flaw in the prophecy-fulfillment argument is that foreseeing the future doesn't necessarily prove divine guidance. Psychics have existed in every generation, and some of them have demonstrated amazing abilities to predict future events. Their "powers," although mystifying to those who witness them, are not usually considered divine in origin. If, then, Old Testament prophets did on occasions foresee the future (a questionable premise at best), perhaps they were merely the Nostradamus of their day. Why would it necessarily follow that they were divinely inspired? Even the Bible recognizes the possibility that uninspired prophets can sometimes accurately predict the future:

Usually, Bible "prophecies" turn out to be prophecies only because imaginative Bible writers arbitrarily declared them to be prophecies. The same can be said of their alleged fulfillments: the fulfillments are fulfillments only because obviously biased New Testament writers arbitrarily declared them to be fulfillments.

It must involve... specific details--not vague generalities or remote possibilities

And I'm sorrry, but to say one day that he people who live in what is now called Russia are going to start the big war is not that much of a prophecy. Everyone probably knew one day those barbarians were going to be trouble. BFD.

I have also heard from theists that the Beast is going to come from Europe & America. Which is it? I've also heard them claim the middle east is where all the trouble starts, then Europe, then Russia. I guess if you make enough prophecies some of them are going to come true.

LOL!

So prophecy is fiction too and this universe is the only universe and anyone who says otherwise is a lunatic?

Poor Neil deGrasse Tyson, whose 'prophecies' suggest otherwise, and himself an atheist.

Yes. If men made up the Jewish, Christian & Muslim faiths then it is very possible they made up these prophecies too.

These prophecies don't prove your god just like other religions prophecies don't prove their gods are real either.

10 prophecies predicted in the Bible fulfilled in history Sun Shield

Really, the more I look into prophecies the more I am sure no they do not prove anything. They are just another way the churches con you into believing the unbelievable. Congrats on being gullible. Ignorance is bliss.

The prophecies only point to the means for the human mind to perceive future events. That proves that future events are predictable, which proves that within nature exist laws which provide for such. And since within our observable universe, there is no means to make such predictions (beyond actuarial science, which works upon the law of large numbers) that the species is somehow connected to other dimensions, which provides for the possibility that where such 'other dimensions' exist and, where humanity can tap into such, that there exists the further possibility that life beyond our own understanding exists and, it follows that such life would be characteristically common to God.

That such does not prove "God" to you is irrelevant, as you have clearly closed off you mind to the possibility that there exist life, beyond your means to comprehend.

The coolest part of this, is that as science advances, the existence of God becomes more certain.

 

[sealybobo]

The answer to your question is, Prophecy.
How did David know about crucifixion? About piercing of hands and feet? An act that wouldn't exist for a thousand years? That Israel would be born in a day? That all nations would come against Israel? The countries that would invade Israel? That Christians would be beheaded?
1/4 of the Bible is prophesy. Accurate prophesy.
The Bible is the most accurate source of antiquity ever written. Those who make that claim use the Bible as the starting point to uncover our ancient past. IT HAS NEVER , REPEAT, NEVER BEEN FOUND INACCURATE. To the contrary, it is spot on. Archeologists depend on it.

Did you know that King David, a key player in the Bible, could have been described as a figment of Bible believers imagination? There was no evidence that He ever existed. Atheists had a field day with that one. Until they unearthed an ancient tablet describing a King's battle against the House of David.

Whether you believe in the word of God or the diggers, the Bible is sound.

This is even better:

A very simple flaw in the prophecy-fulfillment argument is that foreseeing the future doesn't necessarily prove divine guidance. Psychics have existed in every generation, and some of them have demonstrated amazing abilities to predict future events. Their "powers," although mystifying to those who witness them, are not usually considered divine in origin. If, then, Old Testament prophets did on occasions foresee the future (a questionable premise at best), perhaps they were merely the Nostradamus of their day. Why would it necessarily follow that they were divinely inspired? Even the Bible recognizes the possibility that uninspired prophets can sometimes accurately predict the future:

Usually, Bible "prophecies" turn out to be prophecies only because imaginative Bible writers arbitrarily declared them to be prophecies. The same can be said of their alleged fulfillments: the fulfillments are fulfillments only because obviously biased New Testament writers arbitrarily declared them to be fulfillments.

It must involve... specific details--not vague generalities or remote possibilities

And I'm sorrry, but to say one day that he people who live in what is now called Russia are going to start the big war is not that much of a prophecy. Everyone probably knew one day those barbarians were going to be trouble. BFD.

I have also heard from theists that the Beast is going to come from Europe & America. Which is it? I've also heard them claim the middle east is where all the trouble starts, then Europe, then Russia. I guess if you make enough prophecies some of them are going to come true.

LOL!

So prophecy is fiction too and this universe is the only universe and anyone who says otherwise is a lunatic?

Poor Neil deGrasse Tyson, whose 'prophecies' suggest otherwise, and himself an atheist.

Yes. If men made up the Jewish, Christian & Muslim faiths then it is very possible they made up these prophecies too.

These prophecies don't prove your god just like other religions prophecies don't prove their gods are real either.

10 prophecies predicted in the Bible fulfilled in history Sun Shield

Really, the more I look into prophecies the more I am sure no they do not prove anything. They are just another way the churches con you into believing the unbelievable. Congrats on being gullible. Ignorance is bliss.

The prophecies only point to the means for the human mind to perceive future events. That proves that future events are predictable, which proves that within nature exist laws which provide for such. And since within our observable universe, there is no means to make such predictions, that the species is connected to other dimensions, which provides for the possibility that where such other dimensions exist and where humanity can tap into such, that there exists the further possibility that life beyond our own understanding exists and, it follows that such life would be characteristic of God.

That such does not prove "God" to you is irrelevant, as you have clearly closed off you mind to the possibility that there exist life, beyond your means to comprehend.

The coolest part of this, is that as science advances, the existence of God becomes more certain.

1. Predict 1000 prophecies and 10 come true does not prove anything.

The future can not be accurately predicted, unless you are predicting things that are easily predictable like "god told you that one day the USA would no longer be the worlds superpower". That's not so far fetched to believe that one day we might lose that title. So predicting babylon will beat up Israel one day doesn't prove anything either. Who knows if that is even true. Your church might have made those stories of prophecy up. I wouldn't put it past them. And even if they did make 1000 prophecies and 10 came true, bfd.

How come every other religion have prophecies too? Please don't tell me you are a chrstian light who believes in Christianity but doesn't believe Jesus said he was the ONLY WAY.

I have a prophecy. When you die you won't wake up on the other side but don't worry you won't feel it because you'll be dead just like a fish is when you chop its head off. No after life. No heaven. No god or dead relatives waiting to hug you. Sorry. Wishful thinking. Sad and pathetic really that you need this god story.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The answer to your question is, Prophecy.
How did David know about crucifixion? About piercing of hands and feet? An act that wouldn't exist for a thousand years? That Israel would be born in a day? That all nations would come against Israel? The countries that would invade Israel? That Christians would be beheaded?
1/4 of the Bible is prophesy. Accurate prophesy.
The Bible is the most accurate source of antiquity ever written. Those who make that claim use the Bible as the starting point to uncover our ancient past. IT HAS NEVER , REPEAT, NEVER BEEN FOUND INACCURATE. To the contrary, it is spot on. Archeologists depend on it.

Did you know that King David, a key player in the Bible, could have been described as a figment of Bible believers imagination? There was no evidence that He ever existed. Atheists had a field day with that one. Until they unearthed an ancient tablet describing a King's battle against the House of David.

Whether you believe in the word of God or the diggers, the Bible is sound.

This is even better:

A very simple flaw in the prophecy-fulfillment argument is that foreseeing the future doesn't necessarily prove divine guidance. Psychics have existed in every generation, and some of them have demonstrated amazing abilities to predict future events. Their "powers," although mystifying to those who witness them, are not usually considered divine in origin. If, then, Old Testament prophets did on occasions foresee the future (a questionable premise at best), perhaps they were merely the Nostradamus of their day. Why would it necessarily follow that they were divinely inspired? Even the Bible recognizes the possibility that uninspired prophets can sometimes accurately predict the future:

Usually, Bible "prophecies" turn out to be prophecies only because imaginative Bible writers arbitrarily declared them to be prophecies. The same can be said of their alleged fulfillments: the fulfillments are fulfillments only because obviously biased New Testament writers arbitrarily declared them to be fulfillments.

It must involve... specific details--not vague generalities or remote possibilities

And I'm sorrry, but to say one day that he people who live in what is now called Russia are going to start the big war is not that much of a prophecy. Everyone probably knew one day those barbarians were going to be trouble. BFD.

I have also heard from theists that the Beast is going to come from Europe & America. Which is it? I've also heard them claim the middle east is where all the trouble starts, then Europe, then Russia. I guess if you make enough prophecies some of them are going to come true.

LOL!

So prophecy is fiction too and this universe is the only universe and anyone who says otherwise is a lunatic?

Poor Neil deGrasse Tyson, whose 'prophecies' suggest otherwise, and himself an atheist.

Yes. If men made up the Jewish, Christian & Muslim faiths then it is very possible they made up these prophecies too.

These prophecies don't prove your god just like other religions prophecies don't prove their gods are real either.

10 prophecies predicted in the Bible fulfilled in history Sun Shield

Really, the more I look into prophecies the more I am sure no they do not prove anything. They are just another way the churches con you into believing the unbelievable. Congrats on being gullible. Ignorance is bliss.

The prophecies only point to the means for the human mind to perceive future events. That proves that future events are predictable, which proves that within nature exist laws which provide for such. And since within our observable universe, there is no means to make such predictions, that the species is connected to other dimensions, which provides for the possibility that where such other dimensions exist and where humanity can tap into such, that there exists the further possibility that life beyond our own understanding exists and, it follows that such life would be characteristic of God.

That such does not prove "God" to you is irrelevant, as you have clearly closed off you mind to the possibility that there exist life, beyond your means to comprehend.

The coolest part of this, is that as science advances, the existence of God becomes more certain.

1. Predict 1000 prophecies and 10 come true does not prove anything.

The future can not be accurately predicted, unless you are predicting things that are easily predictable like "god told you that one day the USA would no longer be the worlds superpower". That's not so far fetched to believe that one day we might lose that title. So predicting babylon will beat up Israel one day doesn't prove anything either. Who knows if that is even true. Your church might have made those stories of prophecy up. I wouldn't put it past them. And even if they did make 1000 prophecies and 10 came true, bfd.

How come every other religion have prophecies too? Please don't tell me you are a chrstian light who believes in Christianity but doesn't believe Jesus said he was the ONLY WAY.

I have a prophecy. When you die you won't wake up on the other side but don't worry you won't feel it because you'll be dead just like a fish is when you chop its head off. No after life. No heaven. No god or dead relatives waiting to hug you. Sorry. Wishful thinking. Sad and pathetic really that you need this god story.

LOL!

That is ADORABLE!

There is no end, in my own experiences, wherein dreams have come identically true; meaning that events unfolded identically as they occurred in my dreams, years later. Events which I could not have possibly 'predicted'... as the individuals in the dream, while in the dream itself felt familiar or 'known' to me, I in fact had not met them yet and never been to the places where the events occurred.

Now I cannot do this at will... but it has happened in sufficient examples that I dam' well know, that my mind saw the future events. What's more, I told others about the dreams, the following day and years later when the 'deja vu' occurred, I called them and asked them if they remember me telling them about that dream and they recalled it.

Now you're saying that because that cannot be done at will, that it is not possible, or that because it cannot be measured or otherwise analyzed that such is not credible.

To which I say: Fine. Adding a quick: So what? It happened... deal with it.

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Now with that said, nature, as I noted above has laws which readily provide for the prediction of future events in fairly specific terms.

For instance, if a teenager engages in the abuse of alcohol and illicit drugs, they will most likely fail to gather marketable skills and suffer a life of chronic poverty.

The female variants who follow this path will likely be lulled into sexual intercourse and either be forced to murder her own child, causing her to suffer life long depression, further irritating her abuse of alcohol and drugs... irritating her circumstances in chronic poverty.

If she bears the responsibility for her CHOICE... she will likely raise that child to become just like her and PRESTO... the origins of socialism are reborn!

Just as, where a teenager is taught to reason soundly and to discipline their biological appetites... learns to humble themselves before their Creator, to focus their mind on that energy of nature which represents good, it will likely make sound choices, avoid alcohol and drug abuse, thus learn marketable skills and enjoy a life of happiness and prosperity.

See how that works?

 

[sealybobo]

The answer to your question is, Prophecy.
How did David know about crucifixion? About piercing of hands and feet? An act that wouldn't exist for a thousand years? That Israel would be born in a day? That all nations would come against Israel? The countries that would invade Israel? That Christians would be beheaded?
1/4 of the Bible is prophesy. Accurate prophesy.
The Bible is the most accurate source of antiquity ever written. Those who make that claim use the Bible as the starting point to uncover our ancient past. IT HAS NEVER , REPEAT, NEVER BEEN FOUND INACCURATE. To the contrary, it is spot on. Archeologists depend on it.

Did you know that King David, a key player in the Bible, could have been described as a figment of Bible believers imagination? There was no evidence that He ever existed. Atheists had a field day with that one. Until they unearthed an ancient tablet describing a King's battle against the House of David.

Whether you believe in the word of God or the diggers, the Bible is sound.

This is even better:

A very simple flaw in the prophecy-fulfillment argument is that foreseeing the future doesn't necessarily prove divine guidance. Psychics have existed in every generation, and some of them have demonstrated amazing abilities to predict future events. Their "powers," although mystifying to those who witness them, are not usually considered divine in origin. If, then, Old Testament prophets did on occasions foresee the future (a questionable premise at best), perhaps they were merely the Nostradamus of their day. Why would it necessarily follow that they were divinely inspired? Even the Bible recognizes the possibility that uninspired prophets can sometimes accurately predict the future:

Usually, Bible "prophecies" turn out to be prophecies only because imaginative Bible writers arbitrarily declared them to be prophecies. The same can be said of their alleged fulfillments: the fulfillments are fulfillments only because obviously biased New Testament writers arbitrarily declared them to be fulfillments.

It must involve... specific details--not vague generalities or remote possibilities

And I'm sorrry, but to say one day that he people who live in what is now called Russia are going to start the big war is not that much of a prophecy. Everyone probably knew one day those barbarians were going to be trouble. BFD.

I have also heard from theists that the Beast is going to come from Europe & America. Which is it? I've also heard them claim the middle east is where all the trouble starts, then Europe, then Russia. I guess if you make enough prophecies some of them are going to come true.

LOL!

So prophecy is fiction too and this universe is the only universe and anyone who says otherwise is a lunatic?

Poor Neil deGrasse Tyson, whose 'prophecies' suggest otherwise, and himself an atheist.

Yes. If men made up the Jewish, Christian & Muslim faiths then it is very possible they made up these prophecies too.

These prophecies don't prove your god just like other religions prophecies don't prove their gods are real either.

10 prophecies predicted in the Bible fulfilled in history Sun Shield

Really, the more I look into prophecies the more I am sure no they do not prove anything. They are just another way the churches con you into believing the unbelievable. Congrats on being gullible. Ignorance is bliss.

The prophecies only point to the means for the human mind to perceive future events. That proves that future events are predictable, which proves that within nature exist laws which provide for such. And since within our observable universe, there is no means to make such predictions, that the species is connected to other dimensions, which provides for the possibility that where such other dimensions exist and where humanity can tap into such, that there exists the further possibility that life beyond our own understanding exists and, it follows that such life would be characteristic of God.

That such does not prove "God" to you is irrelevant, as you have clearly closed off you mind to the possibility that there exist life, beyond your means to comprehend.

The coolest part of this, is that as science advances, the existence of God becomes more certain.

1. Predict 1000 prophecies and 10 come true does not prove anything.

The future can not be accurately predicted, unless you are predicting things that are easily predictable like "god told you that one day the USA would no longer be the worlds superpower". That's not so far fetched to believe that one day we might lose that title. So predicting babylon will beat up Israel one day doesn't prove anything either. Who knows if that is even true. Your church might have made those stories of prophecy up. I wouldn't put it past them. And even if they did make 1000 prophecies and 10 came true, bfd.

How come every other religion have prophecies too? Please don't tell me you are a chrstian light who believes in Christianity but doesn't believe Jesus said he was the ONLY WAY.

I have a prophecy. When you die you won't wake up on the other side but don't worry you won't feel it because you'll be dead just like a fish is when you chop its head off. No after life. No heaven. No god or dead relatives waiting to hug you. Sorry. Wishful thinking. Sad and pathetic really that you need this god story.

LOL!

That is ADORABLE!

There is no end, in my own experiences, wherein dreams have come identically true; meaning that events unfolded identically as they occurred in my dreams, years later. Events which I could not have possibly 'predicted'... as the individuals in the dream, while in the dream itself felt familiar or 'known' to me, I in fact had not met them yet and never been to the places where the events occurred.

Now I cannot do this at will... but it has happened in sufficient examples that I dam' well know, that my mind saw the future events. What's more, I told others about the dreams, the following day and years later when the 'deja vu' occurred, I called them and asked them if they remember me telling them about that dream and they recalled it.

Now you're saying that because that cannot be done at will, that it is not possible, or that because it cannot be measured or otherwise analyzed that such is not credible.

To which I say: Fine. Adding a quick: So what? It happened... deal with it.

Yea it's called De Ja Voo silly.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The answer to your question is, Prophecy.
How did David know about crucifixion? About piercing of hands and feet? An act that wouldn't exist for a thousand years? That Israel would be born in a day? That all nations would come against Israel? The countries that would invade Israel? That Christians would be beheaded?
1/4 of the Bible is prophesy. Accurate prophesy.
The Bible is the most accurate source of antiquity ever written. Those who make that claim use the Bible as the starting point to uncover our ancient past. IT HAS NEVER , REPEAT, NEVER BEEN FOUND INACCURATE. To the contrary, it is spot on. Archeologists depend on it.

Did you know that King David, a key player in the Bible, could have been described as a figment of Bible believers imagination? There was no evidence that He ever existed. Atheists had a field day with that one. Until they unearthed an ancient tablet describing a King's battle against the House of David.

Whether you believe in the word of God or the diggers, the Bible is sound.

This is even better:

A very simple flaw in the prophecy-fulfillment argument is that foreseeing the future doesn't necessarily prove divine guidance. Psychics have existed in every generation, and some of them have demonstrated amazing abilities to predict future events. Their "powers," although mystifying to those who witness them, are not usually considered divine in origin. If, then, Old Testament prophets did on occasions foresee the future (a questionable premise at best), perhaps they were merely the Nostradamus of their day. Why would it necessarily follow that they were divinely inspired? Even the Bible recognizes the possibility that uninspired prophets can sometimes accurately predict the future:

Usually, Bible "prophecies" turn out to be prophecies only because imaginative Bible writers arbitrarily declared them to be prophecies. The same can be said of their alleged fulfillments: the fulfillments are fulfillments only because obviously biased New Testament writers arbitrarily declared them to be fulfillments.

It must involve... specific details--not vague generalities or remote possibilities

And I'm sorrry, but to say one day that he people who live in what is now called Russia are going to start the big war is not that much of a prophecy. Everyone probably knew one day those barbarians were going to be trouble. BFD.

I have also heard from theists that the Beast is going to come from Europe & America. Which is it? I've also heard them claim the middle east is where all the trouble starts, then Europe, then Russia. I guess if you make enough prophecies some of them are going to come true.

LOL!

So prophecy is fiction too and this universe is the only universe and anyone who says otherwise is a lunatic?

Poor Neil deGrasse Tyson, whose 'prophecies' suggest otherwise, and himself an atheist.

Yes. If men made up the Jewish, Christian & Muslim faiths then it is very possible they made up these prophecies too.

These prophecies don't prove your god just like other religions prophecies don't prove their gods are real either.

10 prophecies predicted in the Bible fulfilled in history Sun Shield

Really, the more I look into prophecies the more I am sure no they do not prove anything. They are just another way the churches con you into believing the unbelievable. Congrats on being gullible. Ignorance is bliss.

The prophecies only point to the means for the human mind to perceive future events. That proves that future events are predictable, which proves that within nature exist laws which provide for such. And since within our observable universe, there is no means to make such predictions, that the species is connected to other dimensions, which provides for the possibility that where such other dimensions exist and where humanity can tap into such, that there exists the further possibility that life beyond our own understanding exists and, it follows that such life would be characteristic of God.

That such does not prove "God" to you is irrelevant, as you have clearly closed off you mind to the possibility that there exist life, beyond your means to comprehend.

The coolest part of this, is that as science advances, the existence of God becomes more certain.

1. Predict 1000 prophecies and 10 come true does not prove anything.

The future can not be accurately predicted, unless you are predicting things that are easily predictable like "god told you that one day the USA would no longer be the worlds superpower". That's not so far fetched to believe that one day we might lose that title. So predicting babylon will beat up Israel one day doesn't prove anything either. Who knows if that is even true. Your church might have made those stories of prophecy up. I wouldn't put it past them. And even if they did make 1000 prophecies and 10 came true, bfd.

How come every other religion have prophecies too? Please don't tell me you are a chrstian light who believes in Christianity but doesn't believe Jesus said he was the ONLY WAY.

I have a prophecy. When you die you won't wake up on the other side but don't worry you won't feel it because you'll be dead just like a fish is when you chop its head off. No after life. No heaven. No god or dead relatives waiting to hug you. Sorry. Wishful thinking. Sad and pathetic really that you need this god story.

LOL!

That is ADORABLE!

There is no end, in my own experiences, wherein dreams have come identically true; meaning that events unfolded identically as they occurred in my dreams, years later. Events which I could not have possibly 'predicted'... as the individuals in the dream, while in the dream itself felt familiar or 'known' to me, I in fact had not met them yet and never been to the places where the events occurred.

Now I cannot do this at will... but it has happened in sufficient examples that I dam' well know, that my mind saw the future events. What's more, I told others about the dreams, the following day and years later when the 'deja vu' occurred, I called them and asked them if they remember me telling them about that dream and they recalled it.

Now you're saying that because that cannot be done at will, that it is not possible, or that because it cannot be measured or otherwise analyzed that such is not credible.

To which I say: Fine. Adding a quick: So what? It happened... deal with it.

Yea it's called De Ja Voo silly.

Yeaaah... That's why I said that's what it's called (except I spelled it right.)

Use this as an opportunity to learn: Déjà vu from the French. Meaning, literally: "already seen".

 

[BreezeWood]

You are under the assumption that everything in the bible is true. Do you do that with other non christian religion texts?

There is no evidence to support any of the claims made in the Bible concerning the existence of a god. Any ‘evidence’ proposed by theists to support the Bible’s various historical and supernatural claims is non-existent at best, manufactured at worst.

The Bible is not self-authenticating; it is simply one of many religious texts. Like those other texts, it itself constitutes no evidence for the existence of a god. Its florid prose and fanciful content do not legitimize it nor distinguish it from other ancient works of literature.

The Bible is historically inaccurate, factually incorrect, inconsistent and contradictory. It was artificially constructed by a group of men in antiquity and is poorly translated, heavily altered and selectively interpreted. Entire sections of the text have been redacted over time.

How do you ignore this?

How do you ignore this?

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

( No one comes to the Father except through me ).


there is no proof, physical or otherwise the above statement was ever spoken by any serious person - yet written into the bible and made into the "Christian" religion is a disservice to what should be a centuries old document evolving through time to guide society to answer the question of our origin and what is the prospects for "our" future.

who are the Jews and Muslims to likewise take for themselves what should be a document for all people to learn by, wherever a living book would lead them ?

the Triumph of Good vs Evil is a cornerstone imbedded in the Bible as a pathway to the Everlasting what other messages from beginning to end might be discovered by a purge of the Bibles present condition ?


the Truth should not be ignored and the Bible should be made into the document it was meant to be and has never been - a verifiable documentation of our origin and the consequences for our future with or without Divine intervention.

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[sealybobo]

The answer to your question is, Prophecy.
How did David know about crucifixion? About piercing of hands and feet? An act that wouldn't exist for a thousand years? That Israel would be born in a day? That all nations would come against Israel? The countries that would invade Israel? That Christians would be beheaded?
1/4 of the Bible is prophesy. Accurate prophesy.
The Bible is the most accurate source of antiquity ever written. Those who make that claim use the Bible as the starting point to uncover our ancient past. IT HAS NEVER , REPEAT, NEVER BEEN FOUND INACCURATE. To the contrary, it is spot on. Archeologists depend on it.

Did you know that King David, a key player in the Bible, could have been described as a figment of Bible believers imagination? There was no evidence that He ever existed. Atheists had a field day with that one. Until they unearthed an ancient tablet describing a King's battle against the House of David.

Whether you believe in the word of God or the diggers, the Bible is sound.

This is even better:

A very simple flaw in the prophecy-fulfillment argument is that foreseeing the future doesn't necessarily prove divine guidance. Psychics have existed in every generation, and some of them have demonstrated amazing abilities to predict future events. Their "powers," although mystifying to those who witness them, are not usually considered divine in origin. If, then, Old Testament prophets did on occasions foresee the future (a questionable premise at best), perhaps they were merely the Nostradamus of their day. Why would it necessarily follow that they were divinely inspired? Even the Bible recognizes the possibility that uninspired prophets can sometimes accurately predict the future:

Usually, Bible "prophecies" turn out to be prophecies only because imaginative Bible writers arbitrarily declared them to be prophecies. The same can be said of their alleged fulfillments: the fulfillments are fulfillments only because obviously biased New Testament writers arbitrarily declared them to be fulfillments.

It must involve... specific details--not vague generalities or remote possibilities

And I'm sorrry, but to say one day that he people who live in what is now called Russia are going to start the big war is not that much of a prophecy. Everyone probably knew one day those barbarians were going to be trouble. BFD.

I have also heard from theists that the Beast is going to come from Europe & America. Which is it? I've also heard them claim the middle east is where all the trouble starts, then Europe, then Russia. I guess if you make enough prophecies some of them are going to come true.

LOL!

So prophecy is fiction too and this universe is the only universe and anyone who says otherwise is a lunatic?

Poor Neil deGrasse Tyson, whose 'prophecies' suggest otherwise, and himself an atheist.

Yes. If men made up the Jewish, Christian & Muslim faiths then it is very possible they made up these prophecies too.

These prophecies don't prove your god just like other religions prophecies don't prove their gods are real either.

10 prophecies predicted in the Bible fulfilled in history Sun Shield

Really, the more I look into prophecies the more I am sure no they do not prove anything. They are just another way the churches con you into believing the unbelievable. Congrats on being gullible. Ignorance is bliss.

The prophecies only point to the means for the human mind to perceive future events. That proves that future events are predictable, which proves that within nature exist laws which provide for such. And since within our observable universe, there is no means to make such predictions, that the species is connected to other dimensions, which provides for the possibility that where such other dimensions exist and where humanity can tap into such, that there exists the further possibility that life beyond our own understanding exists and, it follows that such life would be characteristic of God.

That such does not prove "God" to you is irrelevant, as you have clearly closed off you mind to the possibility that there exist life, beyond your means to comprehend.

The coolest part of this, is that as science advances, the existence of God becomes more certain.

1. Predict 1000 prophecies and 10 come true does not prove anything.

The future can not be accurately predicted, unless you are predicting things that are easily predictable like "god told you that one day the USA would no longer be the worlds superpower". That's not so far fetched to believe that one day we might lose that title. So predicting babylon will beat up Israel one day doesn't prove anything either. Who knows if that is even true. Your church might have made those stories of prophecy up. I wouldn't put it past them. And even if they did make 1000 prophecies and 10 came true, bfd.

How come every other religion have prophecies too? Please don't tell me you are a chrstian light who believes in Christianity but doesn't believe Jesus said he was the ONLY WAY.

I have a prophecy. When you die you won't wake up on the other side but don't worry you won't feel it because you'll be dead just like a fish is when you chop its head off. No after life. No heaven. No god or dead relatives waiting to hug you. Sorry. Wishful thinking. Sad and pathetic really that you need this god story.

LOL!

That is ADORABLE!

There is no end, in my own experiences, wherein dreams have come identically true; meaning that events unfolded identically as they occurred in my dreams, years later. Events which I could not have possibly 'predicted'... as the individuals in the dream, while in the dream itself felt familiar or 'known' to me, I in fact had not met them yet and never been to the places where the events occurred.

Now I cannot do this at will... but it has happened in sufficient examples that I dam' well know, that my mind saw the future events. What's more, I told others about the dreams, the following day and years later when the 'deja vu' occurred, I called them and asked them if they remember me telling them about that dream and they recalled it.

Now you're saying that because that cannot be done at will, that it is not possible, or that because it cannot be measured or otherwise analyzed that such is not credible.

To which I say: Fine. Adding a quick: So what? It happened... deal with it.

Yea it's called De Ja Voo silly.

Yeaaah... That's why I said that's what it's called (except I spelled it right.)

Use this as an opportunity to learn: Déjà vu from the French. Meaning, literally: "already seen".

Yea I know. It is a popular strip club in Michigan where the girls show IT ALL because they don't serve alcohol.

This weekend this guy hit 2.5 million on a slot machine that hasn't paid out a jack pot in something like 20 years. He said it was "Divine Intervention". What a jack ass. Yea, god ignored all the other people that put their money in and finally decided to bless you, you stupid bastard. LOL.

But on a positive note, I watched this piece on Dateline where the girl crashed her airplane and she not only survived it but she was in a very remote place where grizzlies are all around and these two hunters who just happened to get lucky and spot her saved her. You could tell by the way they were all talking that none of them believed in god or at least none of them said god had anything to do with it. They didn't call it a miracle or divine intervention. And still yet the piece was a great story about how people help each other out when the chips are down. Even the hunters who saved her didn't mention god once during the entire show.

This I hope one day is the future. People being good despite the fact they don't believe in a god. Belief in god is completely unnecessary. Maybe its ok to use god on kids but once an adult comes to doubt, that's when theists need to give it up. No hell for non believers. In fact I would suggest a real god would reward us for our intelligence not falling for organized religion's scam.

And keep in mind when I bash christians, I haven't even started on the Muslims, Mormons and Jews. So don't feel singled out Christians. You're just the majority here where I live. And I can't see opening up the Muslim, Mormons or Jews minds on the fact that their god is completely made up. I wonder how many atheists are in the Muslim world and Israel? I bet there are a lot more than you think if they could speak their minds.

 

[sealybobo]

You are under the assumption that everything in the bible is true. Do you do that with other non christian religion texts?

There is no evidence to support any of the claims made in the Bible concerning the existence of a god. Any ‘evidence’ proposed by theists to support the Bible’s various historical and supernatural claims is non-existent at best, manufactured at worst.

The Bible is not self-authenticating; it is simply one of many religious texts. Like those other texts, it itself constitutes no evidence for the existence of a god. Its florid prose and fanciful content do not legitimize it nor distinguish it from other ancient works of literature.

The Bible is historically inaccurate, factually incorrect, inconsistent and contradictory. It was artificially constructed by a group of men in antiquity and is poorly translated, heavily altered and selectively interpreted. Entire sections of the text have been redacted over time.

How do you ignore this?

How do you ignore this?

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

( No one comes to the Father except through me ).


there is no proof, physical or otherwise the above statement was ever spoken by any serious person - yet written into the bible and made into the "Christian" religion is a disservice to what should be a centuries old document evolving through time to guide society to answer the question of our origin and what is the prospects for "our" future.

who are the Jews and Muslims to likewise take for themselves what should be a document for all people to learn by, wherever a living book would lead them ?

the Triumph of Good vs Evil is a cornerstone imbedded in the Bible as a pathway to the Everlasting what other messages from beginning to end might be discovered by a purge of the Bibles present condition ?


the Truth should not be ignored and the Bible should be made into the document it was meant to be and has never been - a verifiable documentation of our origin and the consequences for our future with or without Divine intervention.

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As far as us Jews, Muslims, Mormon's and Atheists are concerned, we'd rather go with our book(s) or do exactly what we do here in the USA. We separate our church and government and we go with the constitution.

In some ways America is an atheist nation. We keep god out of everything public. I'm so glad. Too many of us as soon as we here someone talking about god start to feel real sorry for that ignorant person. And they assume we all think just like they do. First of all, they need to stop assuming everyone believes their fairy tale. And you know what? It could have all been avoided if he/she just kept that god shit to themselves. We don't bring up that we don't believe in god so they should't be bringing it up or be open to us pointing out that you have zero proof of this god and your ancient scripts were manufactured supposedly 80 years after Jesus so in other words completely made up.

And it doesn't matter if you agree or not. The fact is if you believe in a god you need to stop assuming that everyone agrees or that it is a given that everyone believes the Jesus stories. You all need to realize most people don't take those stories literally. And if they don't, they can't really be called Christians even though that is what they call themselves. And to be honest, a lot of people who call themselves christians or say they believe in god will admit they don't really take the bible literally or believe in god, but because its the safe answer they say yes when you ask them if they are christians or if they believe in god.

 

[Boss]

Silly Boob:

This I hope one day is the future. People being good despite the fact they don't believe in a god. Belief in god is completely unnecessary. Maybe its ok to use god on kids but once an adult comes to doubt, that's when theists need to give it up. No hell for non believers. In fact I would suggest a real god would reward us for our intelligence not falling for organized religion's scam.

You're going to have an awful long wait because humans have always believed in something greater than self. You even admitted that if we completely eliminated all religion and religious belief, some human would eventually think up the concept of God again. How are you ever going to totally brainwash every human who ever lives? How many people's minds do you think you've changed here in the several months you've been responding to this thread?

Since humans are intrinsically spiritual by nature, it's also not likely you will ever see religions go away. Whether their beliefs are right or wrong, they will likely always be around in some form. You can speculate on what you think a "good god" would be like, but you are a fallible human who is prone to error. That's kind of the whole problem I have with organized religions, they tend to create God by what they think should be a "good god" and demand others follow that concept.

No, boob... YOU are the one who should give it up. Stop fighting something you can never defeat and resign yourself to accepting you will forever be in the vast minority of humans who claim to not believe in something greater than self, so that you can continue living an immoral life. Stop attempting to drag others into the gutter with you, and be content with living in a country that allows you the freedom to be recalcitrant and reject God.

 

[sealybobo]

Silly Boob:

This I hope one day is the future. People being good despite the fact they don't believe in a god. Belief in god is completely unnecessary. Maybe its ok to use god on kids but once an adult comes to doubt, that's when theists need to give it up. No hell for non believers. In fact I would suggest a real god would reward us for our intelligence not falling for organized religion's scam.

You're going to have an awful long wait because humans have always believed in something greater than self. You even admitted that if we completely eliminated all religion and religious belief, some human would eventually think up the concept of God again. How are you ever going to totally brainwash every human who ever lives? How many people's minds do you think you've changed here in the several months you've been responding to this thread?

Since humans are intrinsically spiritual by nature, it's also not likely you will ever see religions go away. Whether their beliefs are right or wrong, they will likely always be around in some form. You can speculate on what you think a "good god" would be like, but you are a fallible human who is prone to error. That's kind of the whole problem I have with organized religions, they tend to create God by what they think should be a "good god" and demand others follow that concept.

No, boob... YOU are the one who should give it up. Stop fighting something you can never defeat and resign yourself to accepting you will forever be in the vast minority of humans who claim to not believe in something greater than self, so that you can continue living an immoral life. Stop attempting to drag others into the gutter with you, and be content with living in a country that allows you the freedom to be recalcitrant and reject God.

OMG I finally saw an old star trek that touched on religion. The guy on the strange planet told his followers that they needed to bash Captain Kirk and his crew over the head and kill them because RAH told him they had to do it. I love it that the only episode I know of that touched on religion made the theists look stupid.

I don't see god ever going away completely but one day I see an atheist being able to be President and half the country not affiliating with any organized religions. I'll be happy then. If people were like you, that kind of spirituality seems harmless to me. So as long as people keep evolving and getting smarter, like for example how you don't buy the bible or koran stories, that's all I can hope for.

And hey, I was just like you. It isn't that far of a leap from spiritual to atheist. It's a lot closer than christian to atheist. At least you understand and reject the idea that a person in India or Muslim in Iraq has to accept Jesus or burn forever. At least you aren't that dumb.

No I will not accept my position in life. From what I see, every generation gets less and less religious. Being spiritual only is a hop skip and a jump to atheism. Thank god for the internet and that people are getting smarter. Sure when they go to get married or have kids they'll probably go to church but that's only because of tradition. The church's can't stay afloat with that kind of support. Just like every other business if you aren't constantly changing and keeping it fresh eventually you will go out of business.

 

[Boss]

Silly Boob: And hey, I was just like you. It isn't that far of a leap from spiritual to atheist. It's a lot closer than christian to atheist. At least you understand and reject the idea that a person in India or Muslim in Iraq has to accept Jesus or burn forever. At least you aren't that dumb.

Again... No, you were never like me. If so, you would have no doubt in your mind that God is real and does exist. It would be literally impossible for you to deny that as you currently do. As for the rest of your supposition about what you think I believe, you are incorrect. I've never stated any of that. I don't know what God leads other spiritual people to believe or do. I don't pretend to know better than God or believe I have a better idea of how God should do things. I only concern myself with my connection to God and what God wants me to do. What others do and their relationship with God is their business, not mine.

 

[sealybobo]

Silly Boob: And hey, I was just like you. It isn't that far of a leap from spiritual to atheist. It's a lot closer than christian to atheist. At least you understand and reject the idea that a person in India or Muslim in Iraq has to accept Jesus or burn forever. At least you aren't that dumb.

Again... No, you were never like me. If so, you would have no doubt in your mind that God is real and does exist. It would be literally impossible for you to deny that as you currently do. As for the rest of your supposition about what you think I believe, you are incorrect. I've never stated any of that. I don't know what God leads other spiritual people to believe or do. I don't pretend to know better than God or believe I have a better idea of how God should do things. I only concern myself with my connection to God and what God wants me to do. What others do and their relationship with God is their business, not mine.

HAHA. You sound like my one friend who said his girlfriend would never leave him after she got that gastro bypass surgery. She has only lost 40 pounds so far and she already broke up with him.

How do you know for sure how you will feel tomorrow? I saw a bunch of videos and read a bunch and talked to a bunch of people and all that opened my eyes and woke me up. How do you know you won't change your mind in a year or 10 from now?

Oh, and this is another way I was just like you. I would have said the same thing back then. But things have changed. I'm open to all possibilities. You seem closed minded and set in your ignorant ways. No surprise there.

Hell, I almost went back the other day. I looked on Redbox at Krogers and the first three movies were God's Not Dead, Heaven is Real and Noah. I thought, "is this a sign?" and then I realized I was just being ridiculous.

I'm not immune to the brainwashing and guilt. I too feel the pressure from a society that is overwhelmingly brainwashed into believing a myth. I was born into it too. It wasn't easy to set emotion aside and realize that this is a stupid concept/lie that organized religions tell us to control us and take our money. You may not be a full blown theist but you are a bi product of a society that tells a lie to its people to control them.

All I have to do to reconfirm my beliefs is turn into those sunday religious shows. They crack me up. So obvious what they are trying to do.

I find it fascinating that you figured out the organized religions are completely made up stories but you have somehow told yourself that this doesn't disprove god, even though without their stories you really have very very very little to go on. Silly almost. My atheist friends ask me why I even bother with idiots like you guys but to me it is fun and fascinating the human mind and the way people are. You fascinate me. And yes I was just like you. That's why I'm amazed you were able to look Christians in the eye and call BULLSHIT on them but you can't even call bullshit on your own fake story and imagined reasons why you think an invisible man talks to you and helps you other than in your own mind.

I think deep down you know its all in your head but the fact is it makes you feel better so ignorance is bliss.

Compartmentalization is an unconscious psychological defense mechanism used to avoid cognitive dissonance, or the mental discomfort and anxiety caused by a person's having conflicting values, cognitions, emotions, beliefs, etc. within themselves.

Compartmentalization allows these conflicting ideas to co-exist by inhibiting direct or explicit acknowledgement and interaction between separate compartmentalized self states.

cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.

I know you better than you know you.

 

[Boss]

How do you know you won't change your mind in a year or 10 from now?

Because it's not a matter of my mind "thinking" something, it is a matter of KNOWING something. How can you ever change your mind about something you know?

 

[Boss]

I find it fascinating that you figured out the organized religions are completely made up stories but you have somehow told yourself that this doesn't disprove god...

Why do you keep repeating this and claiming I said it? I don't know what is made up stories, they could all be entirely true stories. I said I don't believe them personally, that doesn't mean I think they are made up or untrue. Again... you are LIGHT YEARS away from being "just like" me.

 

[sealybobo]

How do you know you won't change your mind in a year or 10 from now?

Because it's not a matter of my mind "thinking" something, it is a matter of KNOWING something. How can you ever change your mind about something you know?

People who think they are sure of something later learn something new and then change their minds.

I mean, as vague and general as your god is, like the energy of light or electricity, how do you go from that to thinking this energy talks or listens to you? It seems you have taken some of the stories from organized religion and thrown out the details so in reality you believe in the god of the bible as they see him or think about him. Maybe you don't believe in hell or the noah story, but you believe there is a god that looks out for you.

Where do you get this belief? I mean if the bible, old testament and koran's are all man made up stories, and your belief is based basically because people have always believed in "something", how do you go from believing something made us to believing in a god you have a personal relationship with?

I'll tell you where it comes from. The Greeks who translated the bible for the rest of you all feel like we have a personal relationship with god. It's a Greek thing. Maybe you heard it from us? Maybe someone when you were young told you their version of god and this is just you repeating the bullshit they told you when you were very young. Who knows when you came up with your hybrid of god, but I'd be interested to know where you would come up with a god that not only created us all, he actually cares about you and you talk to him. But you don't believe in organized religions.

 

[sealybobo]

I find it fascinating that you figured out the organized religions are completely made up stories but you have somehow told yourself that this doesn't disprove god...

Why do you keep repeating this and claiming I said it? I don't know what is made up stories, they could all be entirely true stories. I said I don't believe them personally, that doesn't mean I think they are made up or untrue. Again... you are LIGHT YEARS away from being "just like" me.

Admit it. If you believed their stories you'd be saying you are a christian for fear of going to hell. The fact that you "don't personally believe them" is enough of an admission.

Of course you think they are made up. If not Jesus really said only through him can you enter the kingdom of heaven, and he performed miracles. If all that really happened, then you are going to hell for your beliefs. So you are not buying the christian story.

Oh, and I was looking for something that could teach you how to be a good person without god. God is unnecessary. Just follow these steps

How to Be a Good Person 28 Steps with Pictures - wikiHow

Take number 15 out. Says pray/meditate. That one is not necessary. But if people followed these steps they would be good people. The Bible/Koran are not doing a good job teaching people how to be good.

 

[edthecynic]

[While we are on this subject of light, let me ask you this... Does darkness exist? You can't measure it or quantify it, so it must not exist, right? Yet, when you have absense of light, what do you have?

God claims darkness is something he created! If darkness is the absence of light, then it preexisted the creation of light and therefore existed before God "created" it.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

 

[Boss]

How do you know you won't change your mind in a year or 10 from now?

Because it's not a matter of my mind "thinking" something, it is a matter of KNOWING something. How can you ever change your mind about something you know?

People who think they are sure of something later learn something new and then change their minds.

But I don't THINK that I'm sure, I KNOW that I am sure. If it were a matter of something I thought, then I might be able to change my mind with new information, but that isn't the case here. For whatever reason, you just aren't grasping that detail.

I mean, as vague and general as your god is, like the energy of light or electricity, how do you go from that to thinking this energy talks or listens to you? It seems you have taken some of the stories from organized religion and thrown out the details so in reality you believe in the god of the bible as they see him or think about him. Maybe you don't believe in hell or the noah story, but you believe there is a god that looks out for you.

I don't think God looks out for me. That's Bill O'Reilly, isn't it? Actually, I look out for myself, God only provides me with guidance in my life journey. I've discovered that following God's guidance is most beneficial to me in the long run.

On God as an energy form, you are conflating my analogy with facts and details. I never said God was equivalent to electricity or energy. I related the concept of my God to that of energy or electricity, in order that you might better understand the entity itself. Obviously, that failed. There is nothing physical that is comparative to God. Electricity is an example of something that is physical, that you can relate to in a physical sense, which is why I used it as an example. I figured that maybe you could grasp the idea that electricity doesn't "care" for you or concern itself with what you do or don't do, but is there for your benefit if you choose to utilize it appropriately. In that sense alone, it can be related to the spiritual energy I know as God.

Where do you get this belief? I mean if the bible, old testament and koran's are all man made up stories, and your belief is based basically because people have always believed in "something", how do you go from believing something made us to believing in a god you have a personal relationship with?

Again, it's not a "belief" when I know it to be truth. I never said the biblical/koran stories were made up. That is what you keep saying, in between your claims that we just don't know. I did not say that I believe in God because people have always been spiritual, or that this proves God. You continue to take my words and morph them into arguments that haven't been made.

I'll tell you where it comes from. The Greeks who translated the bible for the rest of you all feel like we have a personal relationship with god. It's a Greek thing. Maybe you heard it from us? Maybe someone when you were young told you their version of god and this is just you repeating the bullshit they told you when you were very young. Who knows when you came up with your hybrid of god, but I'd be interested to know where you would come up with a god that not only created us all, he actually cares about you and you talk to him. But you don't believe in organized religions.

What I know and understand is not a Greek thing. I'm not repeating anything learned as a young child, or anything taught by organized religion in specific. I do believe that most organized religions are reacting to the same spiritual connection that I experience. My spiritual connection isn't something I "came up with" at any time. It's something I have been aware of for probably the past 25 years or so. And AGAIN... My God does not have humanistic characteristics... it isn't a "HE" and it doesn't "CARE" about you.

It is abundantly clear to me that you are a very stubborn person. You simply refuse to accept things people say and stubbornly insist they are saying what you want them to be saying at any given time. I honestly don't know how to have a meaningful conversation with such a person.

 

[sealybobo]

How do you know you won't change your mind in a year or 10 from now?

Because it's not a matter of my mind "thinking" something, it is a matter of KNOWING something. How can you ever change your mind about something you know?

People who think they are sure of something later learn something new and then change their minds.

But I don't THINK that I'm sure, I KNOW that I am sure. If it were a matter of something I thought, then I might be able to change my mind with new information, but that isn't the case here. For whatever reason, you just aren't grasping that detail.

I mean, as vague and general as your god is, like the energy of light or electricity, how do you go from that to thinking this energy talks or listens to you? It seems you have taken some of the stories from organized religion and thrown out the details so in reality you believe in the god of the bible as they see him or think about him. Maybe you don't believe in hell or the noah story, but you believe there is a god that looks out for you.

I don't think God looks out for me. That's Bill O'Reilly, isn't it? Actually, I look out for myself, God only provides me with guidance in my life journey. I've discovered that following God's guidance is most beneficial to me in the long run.

On God as an energy form, you are conflating my analogy with facts and details. I never said God was equivalent to electricity or energy. I related the concept of my God to that of energy or electricity, in order that you might better understand the entity itself. Obviously, that failed. There is nothing physical that is comparative to God. Electricity is an example of something that is physical, that you can relate to in a physical sense, which is why I used it as an example. I figured that maybe you could grasp the idea that electricity doesn't "care" for you or concern itself with what you do or don't do, but is there for your benefit if you choose to utilize it appropriately. In that sense alone, it can be related to the spiritual energy I know as God.

Where do you get this belief? I mean if the bible, old testament and koran's are all man made up stories, and your belief is based basically because people have always believed in "something", how do you go from believing something made us to believing in a god you have a personal relationship with?

Again, it's not a "belief" when I know it to be truth. I never said the biblical/koran stories were made up. That is what you keep saying, in between your claims that we just don't know. I did not say that I believe in God because people have always been spiritual, or that this proves God. You continue to take my words and morph them into arguments that haven't been made.

I'll tell you where it comes from. The Greeks who translated the bible for the rest of you all feel like we have a personal relationship with god. It's a Greek thing. Maybe you heard it from us? Maybe someone when you were young told you their version of god and this is just you repeating the bullshit they told you when you were very young. Who knows when you came up with your hybrid of god, but I'd be interested to know where you would come up with a god that not only created us all, he actually cares about you and you talk to him. But you don't believe in organized religions.

What I know and understand is not a Greek thing. I'm not repeating anything learned as a young child, or anything taught by organized religion in specific. I do believe that most organized religions are reacting to the same spiritual connection that I experience. My spiritual connection isn't something I "came up with" at any time. It's something I have been aware of for probably the past 25 years or so. And AGAIN... My God does not have humanistic characteristics... it isn't a "HE" and it doesn't "CARE" about you.

It is abundantly clear to me that you are a very stubborn person. You simply refuse to accept things people say and stubbornly insist they are saying what you want them to be saying at any given time. I honestly don't know how to have a meaningful conversation with such a person.

The fact that you say you know either tells me you are delusional or a liar. You don't know anything.

Where you been? Missed you.

 

[Boss]

The fact that you say you know either tells me you are delusional or a liar. You don't know anything.

Where you been? Missed you.

Well, when I pray and then gain blessings and benefits from my prayers, that isn't a delusion to me, it really does happen. I don't have any reason to lie, I've already said my God isn't a God who rewards me for converting you. If you don't believe me, that's fine, but you're not offering anything other than your opinion that I am delusional or lying. I find it odd that you can make such a determination yet maintain that you are uncertain about God. Sounds like, if you think I am deluded or lying, you've made up your mind that my God is impossible and can't exist.

You continue to run the gamut... A. God certainly doesn't exist... B. God may or may not exist... C. God probably doesn't exist... Which one describes you? Because you've taken all three positions in this thread.

Let's not change the subject to where I've been or how much you missed me... I've been retooling your ass the past several posts and you seem to be avoiding my points. Were you hoping I hadn't noticed?