Why do some people loathe Obama?

[Immanuel]

If anything, the petty criticism I've heard of Obama has been far worse. Outside of a loon fringe, the criticisms of Bush were based on policies. You didn't have members of Congress claiming things as outlandish as the president was an illegal alien, or that he was planning to kill the elderly in their sleep.

I think it must be in how you look at things, because most of the criticisms of Bush that I remember were that he didn't speak intelligently or he had big ears making him look like a monkey etc. There was some criticism of the war or how we got into to war, but most of it was about his lack of speaking ability.

As for President Obama, I see more of the criticism as being his politics i.e. universal heath care and the stimulus plan which is thinly veiled socialism at its worst.

Basically, I would have to say it falls to your interpretation of the criticism, because in your words, "or that he was planning to kill the elderly in their sleep", which was not the criticism at all, rather it was that his policy would lead to rationalized healthcare and some people would not receive the needed care.

Nor, do I recall anyone claiming he was an illegal alien, but rather that based upon the Constitution he was not eligible to be President.

Then again, there was plenty of criticism, much of it deserved, in how President Bush wrangled us into a war in Iraq. And whether or not we should be there which were attacks on the President's policies.

I'm not saying you are wrong about the attacks on President Obama, as much of it is childish, but so was much of the attacks on President Bush.

Note: I am speaking general public here and you did mention Congress, but I think it applies to both.

Immie

That's completely dishonest. For starters, if government providing health insurance resulted in care being rationed to the elderly, why is that not already occurring now, since everyone over age 65 is in a government health insurance program? Also, you elevate the birthers to a level of seriousness they haven't even remotely earned. Notice that they continue the crazy crusade even after Obama's birth certificate was released to the public.

First of all, Medicare already rations healthcare just as private health insurance does. Also, I did not say that the people who were making those claims were accurate, but rather that the way you stated the criticism was incorrect to the majority of concerns about the plan. I pray you were not deliberately being dishonest in how you presented the quote.

Second, the birther complaint was absolutely not what you dishonestly painted it as. They (unless maybe you can find a few loons (probably a Congressman or two) who did) never said he was an illegal alien. Many people were concerned that he was born in Kenya and that disqualified him from being President; therefore, it was you who was being dishonest. They were also concerned that he refused to produce evidence that he was born in the U.S. Anyone that was honest would admit that until evidence of his U.S. birth was produced there were legitimate reasons that people would question his right to be President. Once he produced evidence to the courts that he was eligible, it was time to end the attacks.

There are going to be crazy people that will continue this crusade until President Obama is long retired and living out the rest of his life as a former President like Jimmy Carter and President Bush. I'm sorry, there is nothing we can do about that. As far as I am concerned the matter is decided.

But the truth is that the attacks on President Bush were no less personal rather than policy related than the attacks on President Obama.

Edit: Also, you should note that the discussion was not about the accuracy of the attacks but rather whether or not the attacks were personal (big ears) or policy related.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

Immie,, they are going to cut 500 billion from medicare (I think that has now risen to close to 800 billion) of course the elderly are going to be denied care.

Not to anger the elderly, but right now, that is probably the least of my worries in this debate. At the moment, I'm more worried about how I am going to provide health insurance to my family over the next 15-20 years while I am working and waiting for Medicare. I am going to be forced to pay for my own and at $1200 per month, I simply don't see how the hell, I am going to be able to afford it let alone whether or not HRC will be a major blow to many small businesses. The blow that sends many of them under, my employer included. Will I be on the unemployment lines soon because of this plan?

Immie

You realize the Senate bill actually reduces premiums, rights?

Yeah, right, and President Obama meant it when he told us that he would not raise taxes on people earning less than $250,000/year which was the first thing he actually did do when he raised cigarette taxes.

http://www.smokersnews.com/cigarette-taxes/294/obama-signs-federal-cigarette-tax-hike/

February 9, 2009
Obama Signs Federal Cigarette Tax Hike

President Barak Obama signed the Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009, providing a major expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide health insurance to moderate-income families and illegal aliens.

This government handout is funded with an increased federal tobacco tax.

* Increase U.S. Federal Tax on a pack of cigarettes from $0.39 to $1.01 per pack
* Increase Federal tax on pipe tobacco from $1.0969 per pound to $2.83 per pound
* Increase Federal tax on RYO tobacco from $1.0969 per pound to $24.78 per pound
* Increase Federal tax on cigarette papers (50 or less) from $0.0122 to $0.0315
* Federal tax on cigarette tubes (50 or less) = $0.0244 - New rate is $0.0630

Of course, the unintended consequences of this socialist bill will come back to haunt the collectivists who supported this nonsense.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ily-making-less-250000-will-see-any-form-tax/

Cigarette tax for SCHIP nips at Obama tax promise

Updated: Thursday, April 2nd, 2009 | By Angie Drobnic Holan

When we launched the Obameter to track President Barack Obama's campaign promises, we identified 38 on taxes covering everything from repealing the Bush tax cuts for higher incomes to supporting tax deductions for artists .

Then, on April 1, 2009, a new cigarette tax went into effect, and we got lots of e-mail from readers saying it violated a promise Obama made on the campaign trail not to raise any taxes on people who make less than $250,000 a year. Lots of people who smoke make less than $250,000 a year, so Obama broke his promise, these readers told us.

We confirmed the quote that many readers sent us. On Sept. 12, 2008, while on the campaign trail in Dover, N.H., Obama said, "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

Obama's promise on the campaign trail may have been a bit of rhetorical excess based on his income tax plan, which seeks to exempt lower incomes from tax increases. Obama has taken specific steps to change that tax code, such as creating capital gains taxes that only apply to higher incomes, that are aimed at protecting the middle class from new taxes. Also, the cigarette tax does not hit all families that make less than $250,000 a year, but only those who choose to smoke. Finally, Obama clearly stated during the campaign that he supported legislation that would raise the cigarette tax, and he never mentioned any form of excise tax when making the promise.

Still, it's a tax increase. People who smoke will pay higher taxes under the measure that Obama signed. We added this promise to our database and rated it a Compromise.

Oh and by the way, you do realize that HCR is going to require additional taxes on all of us even those making less than $250k/year don't you and they have promised fines and penalties (read additional taxes) to all of us who will not comply.


Immie

 

[CrusaderFrank]

1. He's the most Un-American President we've ever elected. Carter was dumb, but Obama is on a search and destroy mission

2. He was born in Kenya.

3. He's a corrupt Chicago Thug. Tony Rezko and Khalid Monsour owned him.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

What ever will 2010 look like? We will have another idiotic moronic electorate going out to vote armed with talking points and alarmist and hysterical opinions based on bs?

Yeah, probably. So it will be like every other election. I think it's clear by the state of our country, past and present, and the poor quality of elected officials we keep getting that most people really have no idea what they're doing when they go vote.

I fear for the republic. I truly do.

d.
;/(

I worry more about what it will be like for my kid. Every day that goes by we are robbing his generation and future ones blind.

 

[rdean]

1. He's the most Un-American President we've ever elected. Carter was dumb, but Obama is on a search and destroy mission

2. He was born in Kenya.

3. He's a corrupt Chicago Thug. Tony Rezko and Khalid Monsour owned him.

Gee you're dumb.

 

[Murf76]

...I did not vote for him twice...because of principles (I know...it's quaint)....

You answered your own question. It's because of "principles". They guy has none. Not really. He has an ideology that he embraces, socialist and unconstitutional as it is, but even that is less important to him than his own political hide.

What ends up happening when a person is essentially spineless is that he fails to command Respect. People see a useless, empty vessel... and the lack of respect becomes open derision. Next thing you know, people are making fun of his inability to make full sentences without a teleprompter, his wide-eyed surprise at the price of arugula, and his pansy-ass taste in mustard.

No spine = President Pantywaist, object of scorn.

 

[Avatar4321]

Not sure i see it. I see people concerned about serious policy issues. I am too. As for Obama the person, he is shady but i dont loathe anyone. waste of time.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But Obama is nothing compared to his Kool Aid Snorting Brain Dead Global Warming Loving Supporters, but I can't even hate them because it's like hating Freddo Corleone, "I'm going to USMB to learn the political business"

How can you hate the pathetically stupid?

 

[Immanuel]

What ever will 2010 look like? We will have another idiotic moronic electorate going out to vote armed with talking points and alarmist and hysterical opinions based on bs?

Yeah, probably. So it will be like every other election. I think it's clear by the state of our country, past and present, and the poor quality of elected officials we keep getting that most people really have no idea what they're doing when they go vote.

One, welcome to USMB.

Two, I don't agree that voters don't have any idea what they are doing when they go vote. I think the problem lies more with the corruption that is rampant in Washington and the 50 State Capitals. Most of us know what we want when we go to vote and we vote based upon the qualifications of the candidates that we vote for. Unfortunately, I believe that when the elected official finally arrives in his office the corruption begins.

What we voted for and what we get are not always, if ever, the same things.

I believe that almost all, if not all, who run for office do so with the intent of making America a better place, but when lobbyists begin waving cold hard cash in front of them... well, so what if I promised not to raise taxes but only a select few will suffer if I raise cigarette taxes? Most voters wont care or they will forget when re-election time comes around.

It doesn't matter the party or the political persuasion of the official, it would take an actual angel from Heaven to pass up the temptation presented.

Immie

 

[Murf76]

You realize the Senate bill actually reduces premiums, rights?

Nope. The only people that will see reductions are the ones who qualify for government subsidies. If memory serves, that's about 17%. And those subsidies, of course, are paid for by the rest of us, by our children, and by their children after them.

It's all bullshit. The revenues start getting collected YEARS before any benefits are paid. And the half trillion they've cut from Medicare will never actually be cut. What's more, they put half that amount back on a separate unfunded bill, so they don't have to include it in their accounting.

 

[Polk]

1. He's the most Un-American President we've ever elected. Carter was dumb, but Obama is on a search and destroy mission

2. He was born in Kenya.

3. He's a corrupt Chicago Thug. Tony Rezko and Khalid Monsour owned him.

Gee you're dumb.

That's an insult to anyone else who has ever been called dumb.

 

[Chris]

Why do some people loathe Obama? I mean I like the guy. I did not vote for him twice...because of principles (I know...it's quaint), but whenever I see, read or hear criticisms of Obama they are soooooooooo reminiscent of some of the whacked-out shit I heard, saw and read about "W".

For most rational and intelligent people...Elections are one thing, politics another and governing yet another. Rational and intelligent beings see the nuances involved when ever the things collide, but the shit I see here is getting more pathetic as time goes by. What ever will 2010 look like? We will have another idiotic moronic electorate going out to vote armed with talking points and alarmist and hysterical opinions based on bs?

I fear for the republic. I truly do.

d.
;/(

It is mostly old white Southerners that don't like Obama.

It sucks to lose an election, doesn't it?

 

[Polk]

You realize the Senate bill actually reduces premiums, rights?

Nope. The only people that will see reductions are the ones who qualify for government subsidies. If memory serves, that's about 17%. And those subsidies, of course, are paid for by the rest of us, by our children, and by their children after them.

It's all bullshit. The revenues start getting collected YEARS before any benefits are paid. And the half trillion they've cut from Medicare will never actually be cut. What's more, they put half that amount back on a separate unfunded bill, so they don't have to include it in their accounting.

This is what happens when you watch Fox instead of actual news. While Fox claimed the CBO report said the bill does not reduce premiums, it actually does.

Average premiums per policy in the nongroup market in 2016 would be roughly $5,800 for single policies and $15,200 for family policies under the proposal, compared with roughly $5,500 for single policies and $13,100 for family policies under current law. The weighted average of the differences in those amounts equals the change of 10 percent to 13 percent in the average premium per person summarized above, but the percentage increase in the average premium per policy for family policies is larger and that for single policies is smaller because the average number of people covered per family policy is estimated to increase under the proposal. The effects on the premiums paid by some individuals and families could vary significantly from the average effects on premiums.

http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10781/11-30-Premiums.pdf

In even shorter summary form, individual policies get cheaper on average and family policies get more expensive, but only because the number of people covered by a given family policy is higher. The report also shows that these policies have a higher actuarial value.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You realize the Senate bill actually reduces premiums, rights?

Nope. The only people that will see reductions are the ones who qualify for government subsidies. If memory serves, that's about 17%. And those subsidies, of course, are paid for by the rest of us, by our children, and by their children after them.

It's all bullshit. The revenues start getting collected YEARS before any benefits are paid. And the half trillion they've cut from Medicare will never actually be cut. What's more, they put half that amount back on a separate unfunded bill, so they don't have to include it in their accounting.

This is what happens when you watch Fox instead of actual news. While Fox claimed the CBO report said the bill does not reduce premiums, it actually does.

Average premiums per policy in the nongroup market in 2016 would be roughly $5,800 for single policies and $15,200 for family policies under the proposal, compared with roughly $5,500 for single policies and $13,100 for family policies under current law. The weighted average of the differences in those amounts equals the change of 10 percent to 13 percent in the average premium per person summarized above, but the percentage increase in the average premium per policy for family policies is larger and that for single policies is smaller because the average number of people covered per family policy is estimated to increase under the proposal. The effects on the premiums paid by some individuals and families could vary significantly from the average effects on premiums.

http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10781/11-30-Premiums.pdf

In even shorter summary form, individual policies get cheaper on average and family policies get more expensive, but only because the number of people covered by a given family policy is higher. The report also shows that these policies have a higher actuarial value.

Uh huh. And wolverines make great house pets

 

[GWV5903]

Why do some people loathe Obama? I mean I like the guy. I did not vote for him twice...because of principles (I know...it's quaint), but whenever I see, read or hear criticisms of Obama they are soooooooooo reminiscent of some of the whacked-out shit I heard, saw and read about "W".

For most rational and intelligent people...Elections are one thing, politics another and governing yet another. Rational and intelligent beings see the nuances involved when ever the things collide, but the shit I see here is getting more pathetic as time goes by. What ever will 2010 look like? We will have another idiotic moronic electorate going out to vote armed with talking points and alarmist and hysterical opinions based on bs?

I fear for the republic. I truly do.

d.
;/(

Loathe Obama?? Are you serious?? Did you miss the last 7 years of the DailyKos or MSNBC attacks on 43?

How about Bill Maher, this guy would eat his own children, Keith Olbermann, could not get a job anywhere else in news, unless it was at NBC, Rachel Maddow, I'll keep my opinions to myself on her....

This small group is in first place when it comes to loathing, it will take years, maybe decades for the right to come close to the crap that has come from their mouths......

 

[Darkwind]

This coming from a woman who said she was voting for a specific candidate for mayor because she felt the candidate would stick it to blacks.

Liar.

I never said any such thing. Please quote AND provide a link to any such post!

Oh....dickhead can't, because I never said it. Of course.

The truth means absolutely nothing to you or your hero Obama.

*sigh*

Jeny, it's like you think your post disappear into the ether after you make them.

I predict Atlanta will have its first WHITE, CONSERVATIVE, REPUBLICAN Mayor since 1973, when Maynard (fatass) Jackson began the series of incompetent boobs elected Mayor because they were black, and ONLY because they were black.

Finally, FINALLY, the people of Atlanta are beginning to see the light.

You rock Mary Norwood!

http://www.usmessageboard.com/1669525-post19.html

By the way dipshit, your Great White Hope is actually a Democrat.

Okay. And where exactly does she say she is voting for this Mary Norwood so that she could stick it to the blacks?

 

[hjmick]

Liar.

I never said any such thing. Please quote AND provide a link to any such post!

Oh....dickhead can't, because I never said it. Of course.

The truth means absolutely nothing to you or your hero Obama.

*sigh*

Jeny, it's like you think your post disappear into the ether after you make them.

I predict Atlanta will have its first WHITE, CONSERVATIVE, REPUBLICAN Mayor since 1973, when Maynard (fatass) Jackson began the series of incompetent boobs elected Mayor because they were black, and ONLY because they were black.

Finally, FINALLY, the people of Atlanta are beginning to see the light.

You rock Mary Norwood!

http://www.usmessageboard.com/1669525-post19.html

By the way dipshit, your Great White Hope is actually a Democrat.

Okay. And where exactly does she say she is voting for this Mary Norwood so that she could stick it to the blacks?

You have to read between the lines, not what she actually wrote...

 

[chanel]

Why do some people loathe Obama? I mean I like the guy. I did not vote for him twice...because of principles (I know...it's quaint), but whenever I see, read or hear criticisms of Obama they are soooooooooo reminiscent of some of the whacked-out shit I heard, saw and read about "W".

For most rational and intelligent people...Elections are one thing, politics another and governing yet another. Rational and intelligent beings see the nuances involved when ever the things collide, but the shit I see here is getting more pathetic as time goes by. What ever will 2010 look like? We will have another idiotic moronic electorate going out to vote armed with talking points and alarmist and hysterical opinions based on bs?

I fear for the republic. I truly do.

d.
;/(

It is mostly old white Southerners that don't like Obama.

It sucks to lose an election, doesn't it?

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

I guess that 73% of the country are old White Southerners? Puhleeeez.

 

[noose4]

Why do some people loathe Obama?
;/(

He's a black dude.

Oh please. You only delude yourself if you want to believe that one. FAR more likely that people did not expect the kinds of bad decisions Obama has been making -and with each one people just get angrier and angrier about it. Like deciding to reject Khalid Sheik Mohammed's guilty plea he agreed to plead to for a military tribunal and instead bring him to NY and turn our justice system into a fucking freak sideshow. The overwhelming majority of people not only oppose that -they are pissed off about it. These kinds of decisions do not promote warm fuzzy feelings towards those who couldn't care less what the American people want and intend to ram down our throats what THEY want.

Or maybe its because people did not realize they were electing a Marxist who intended to appoint people as czars because they couldn't pass the FBI background check or EVER get approved even by this Senate -all so he could keep his Marxist, Mao loving, self-proclaimed communist revolutionary buddies nearby for the "best" advice, huh? Doesn't the man trust anyone who admires OUR system instead of an historically known failure considered to be responsible for more deaths around the world than the number killed in the Holocaust? Or maybe its because of all his appointees, less than 10% ever had a REAL JOB, ever worked in the private sector or ever knew what it was like to try and meet payroll! Which makes it a whole lot easier to just decide those who DO are the cause of all our ills which is bullshit but typical communist thinking. Maybe they weren't expecting Obama and a Democrat Congress to do all they can to put the feet of this nation on the path to bankruptcy and committing such horrific generational theft the parents of those who will be expected to pay this outrageous bill haven't even been born yet. Or maybe they are finally sick and tired of hearing Obama and Democrats beating that same dead horse trying to fuel the flames of useless class envy -always insisting the real enemies of this country are FELLOW AMERICANS. As if it isn't their country too! Think any of that might have something to do with it?

Even then I don't really hear LOATHING toward Obama personally -and in fact his approval ratings, while they have seriously dropped, are NOWHERE near as dismal as those of Congress. He is still an attractive man and speaker even while proving to us all he is a very weak leader on the world stage even while taking a sharp left domestically when this country is NOT leftist but center RIGHT. That makes the majority, who are center right -hacked off too. A full 40% identify themselves as CONSERVATIVE while only 20% are liberals. Who do you think would be most unhappy about a government that has gone far left wing extremist in direction then? The majority or the minority?

A whole lot of people are really, really angry at Congress which seems to be totally DEAF to the American people. So I hear a lot of anger about the direction this country has taken, toward the lying ass weasels in Congress trying to dupe the American people into a "health care reform" bill that has nothing to do with health, care or reform and is entirely about the biggest expansion of government and the most massive power grab by our government in our history that will do nothing to fix health care and only make it worse. In exchange for being totally fucked over by our own government and ignored by those elected to carry out OUR will and not their own even as they LIE to us about the REAL costs - we WILL forfeit very real freedoms as our government moves closer to a totalitarian state. But I don't hear personal LOATHING towards Obama about all that as opposed to anger about many of his decisions -and FAR more anger and outright hostility towards Congress.

I know why people like you reject legitimate arguments about why people might be upset, concerned or outright angry about what Obama is doing. People like you voted for Obama BECAUSE he's black and you figure at least as many voted against for the same reason. You liberals never understood his race was never part of the equation for most conservatives because his left wing extremist politics already ruled him out for a whole lot of people. If you knew he was an admirer of Marx and a true believer that the proper role of government was to impose "social justice" which is just communist code for "redistribution of the wealth" - would it have mattered to your vote? Or was it still far more important to you to vote for a man for no real reason except his skin color -one of THE most racist and superficial reasons to ever vote for or against anyone. It is a FACT that most Obama voters were IGNORANT about this man's positions and history -while those who did not vote for him were far more knowledgeable about him. They wouldn't do that if his skin color was enough reason to not vote for him. Which means it wasn't his skin color that put them off -but his POLITICS. And his politics still do put them off -not his skin color.

Since your answer was such a lame one, I suspect you were one of many who voted for Obama BECAUSE he was black. Which means it was YOU who made the really dumb ass decision to cast your vote for the most meaningless and superficial of reasons of skin color. Not those who have EVERY reason to be unhappy about what Obama is doing.

WHAT A LOAD OF HORSE SHIT!!!! President Obama was being attacked with extreme bile and hatred before he even took the oath of office.

 

[WillowTree]

He's a black dude.

Oh please. You only delude yourself if you want to believe that one. FAR more likely that people did not expect the kinds of bad decisions Obama has been making -and with each one people just get angrier and angrier about it. Like deciding to reject Khalid Sheik Mohammed's guilty plea he agreed to plead to for a military tribunal and instead bring him to NY and turn our justice system into a fucking freak sideshow. The overwhelming majority of people not only oppose that -they are pissed off about it. These kinds of decisions do not promote warm fuzzy feelings towards those who couldn't care less what the American people want and intend to ram down our throats what THEY want.

Or maybe its because people did not realize they were electing a Marxist who intended to appoint people as czars because they couldn't pass the FBI background check or EVER get approved even by this Senate -all so he could keep his Marxist, Mao loving, self-proclaimed communist revolutionary buddies nearby for the "best" advice, huh? Doesn't the man trust anyone who admires OUR system instead of an historically known failure considered to be responsible for more deaths around the world than the number killed in the Holocaust? Or maybe its because of all his appointees, less than 10% ever had a REAL JOB, ever worked in the private sector or ever knew what it was like to try and meet payroll! Which makes it a whole lot easier to just decide those who DO are the cause of all our ills which is bullshit but typical communist thinking. Maybe they weren't expecting Obama and a Democrat Congress to do all they can to put the feet of this nation on the path to bankruptcy and committing such horrific generational theft the parents of those who will be expected to pay this outrageous bill haven't even been born yet. Or maybe they are finally sick and tired of hearing Obama and Democrats beating that same dead horse trying to fuel the flames of useless class envy -always insisting the real enemies of this country are FELLOW AMERICANS. As if it isn't their country too! Think any of that might have something to do with it?

Even then I don't really hear LOATHING toward Obama personally -and in fact his approval ratings, while they have seriously dropped, are NOWHERE near as dismal as those of Congress. He is still an attractive man and speaker even while proving to us all he is a very weak leader on the world stage even while taking a sharp left domestically when this country is NOT leftist but center RIGHT. That makes the majority, who are center right -hacked off too. A full 40% identify themselves as CONSERVATIVE while only 20% are liberals. Who do you think would be most unhappy about a government that has gone far left wing extremist in direction then? The majority or the minority?

A whole lot of people are really, really angry at Congress which seems to be totally DEAF to the American people. So I hear a lot of anger about the direction this country has taken, toward the lying ass weasels in Congress trying to dupe the American people into a "health care reform" bill that has nothing to do with health, care or reform and is entirely about the biggest expansion of government and the most massive power grab by our government in our history that will do nothing to fix health care and only make it worse. In exchange for being totally fucked over by our own government and ignored by those elected to carry out OUR will and not their own even as they LIE to us about the REAL costs - we WILL forfeit very real freedoms as our government moves closer to a totalitarian state. But I don't hear personal LOATHING towards Obama about all that as opposed to anger about many of his decisions -and FAR more anger and outright hostility towards Congress.

I know why people like you reject legitimate arguments about why people might be upset, concerned or outright angry about what Obama is doing. People like you voted for Obama BECAUSE he's black and you figure at least as many voted against for the same reason. You liberals never understood his race was never part of the equation for most conservatives because his left wing extremist politics already ruled him out for a whole lot of people. If you knew he was an admirer of Marx and a true believer that the proper role of government was to impose "social justice" which is just communist code for "redistribution of the wealth" - would it have mattered to your vote? Or was it still far more important to you to vote for a man for no real reason except his skin color -one of THE most racist and superficial reasons to ever vote for or against anyone. It is a FACT that most Obama voters were IGNORANT about this man's positions and history -while those who did not vote for him were far more knowledgeable about him. They wouldn't do that if his skin color was enough reason to not vote for him. Which means it wasn't his skin color that put them off -but his POLITICS. And his politics still do put them off -not his skin color.

Since your answer was such a lame one, I suspect you were one of many who voted for Obama BECAUSE he was black. Which means it was YOU who made the really dumb ass decision to cast your vote for the most meaningless and superficial of reasons of skin color. Not those who have EVERY reason to be unhappy about what Obama is doing.

WHAT A LOAD OF HORSE SHIT!!!! President Obama was being attacked with extreme bile and hatred before he even took the oath of office.

Did we riot in the streets and throw eggs on his car on coronation day? Was he allowed to peacefully exit the car and walk with his bride unthreatened? Can't say the same for President Bush. You guys treated President Bush horribly even up to the last day. so sit down stfu and quit whining so much.