Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by Blackrook, Jun 1, 2018.
1. Who are the scientists that declare there must be millions of alien civilizations in the universe? Carl Sagan said it while alive. Even sent a time capsule. SETI scientists.
2. How do you know they are atheists? God didn't create aliens, so aliens would be evidence against God.
3. You would need to define god before showing proof of god. There often seems to be some disagreement about what constitutes god. No aliens = evidence for God.
4. You should probably be saying evidence rather than proof. You believe the Bible is evidence of god. I'm not sure what the statement "a Bible that somehow came to be" means; it came to be when it was written? You seem to imply that it couldn't have been written but had to be created by god. Don't be so dumb as to be influenced by Satan. It's God. god is considered Satan aka god of the world in the Bible.
5. That places written about in the Bible exist seems like pretty scant evidence of god. Places written in most Stephen King books exist, but that doesn't mean I should start believing in monsters. You're entitled to your worldview even though it's wrong, wrong, wrong.
6. Why would you assume that if aliens existed, they would have contacted us? The universe is vast, almost beyond human comprehension. There could be tons of alien civilizations out there without they or us ever noticing each other. Besides, it's also possible aliens have attempted to contact us and we did not realize it. It isn't as if aliens are likely to be sending messages out in human language over devices compatible with human technology. This is ignorant. NASA, SETI, Elon Musk all think we have been contacted even thought there is no evidence. Read about the Ferdi Paradox. [/QUOTE]
1. If Sagan said there must be millions of alien civilizations, I disagree with him. I'm unaware of his having said so, but I don't know all that much of what he said during his life, so he may well have believed that.
2. You may not believe that god created aliens, but that doesn't mean everyone agrees with you.
3. Saying that no aliens is evidence for god does not define god.
4. God is considered Satan in the Bible? What?
5. I didn't profess a world view. I merely pointed out the fact that just because there are real places in a book does not mean the book is factual.
6. It's the Fermi Paradox, not Ferdi, and I've discussed it on this site on more than one occasion, including in this thread. Put simply, the Fermi Paradox is not fact. It is, at best, a hypothesis, and one I consider flawed. I have in fact already brought this up in reply to you in this thread.
I'm not sure why you bring up NASA, SETI, and Elon Musk. Those organizations and that man may all believe alien life has contacted us; I am still ambivalent about it. I accept the possibility, but do not consider it an inevitability.
I'd also like to point out that if god created the universe and everything in it, and alien life exists, god would have created it. I'm not sure why you think alien life is evidence against god, unless you are arguing that the Bible would have mentioned other life if god had created it.
The idea that the human race is all alone in such a massive universe is absurd to both those of faith and atheists.
So for those not of faith, the only other alternative is alien life.
Question is, why are they so adamant about alien life existing while being adamant that God does not exist?
How is alien life and the concept of God so different?
There is a generally accepted definition for life, and numerous examples of life all around us all the time. God is defined in different ways by different people. There are also no clear, objective examples of a god around us.
I'm not trying to disparage belief in god, or say there is no evidence of any god. Instead, I'm saying there is nothing that someone can point to and say, "Look, that is god" which is generally accepted.
Alien life is just life on another planet. God is something that we cannot directly see or touch, in most definitions of god I'm aware of.
That's my off-the-cuff answer to why the concepts are different.
There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence that abiogenesis has happened at least one other time in the universe.
There is not a shred of evidence for the existence of Gods.
So, that's a pretty big difference.
The mountain of circumstantial evidence that abiogenesis has happened at least one other time in the universe is a shred of evidence for the existence of Gods.
Many religions worldwide are based on stories about gods coming down from the sky. If you came down from the sky in a balloon in ancient Mesopotamia with an iphone and a bic lighter you would have been a god.
If there was no intelligent life elsewhere in the universe there would be no such stories about people being visited by gods from the sky in the past but there is a mountain of evidence of the belief in sky deities from the ancient past that arose independently.
It is not. Being able to use it as a premise for an argument or hypothesis rife with magical bullshit and subjective premises does not make it evidence.
Utterly false. What an absurd thing to say. By your unlogic, unicorns and mermaids must also exist.
Or they were just repeated misrepresentations of things that actually exist and someone actually saw but did not comprehend or have words for because they never saw or heard of anything like it before.
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