CDZ Why do shows have to be so deplorable now ?

[beagle9]

Not a fan of Cyrus, either. I like the show itself, though there are things I don't like about it. If they would keep judges like Shakira and Farell around more, I would like it better. It's wearing thin, now; the judges ran out of new lines of praise and commentary a long time ago. I have found several artists I follow now because of the show, so I'll keep watching it for the new talent they give exposure to, something that disappeared when all the old variety show formats went away.

I think AGT is closer to the old Ed Sullivan show than any of the others in that it has a large variety of acts.

Another thing I would do is showcase some of the acts that win in other countries' versions of these shows; it seems to me utterly stupid not to.

. Good read.. It just bothered me when my grands were sitting there watching with the wife, and the cursing was like bam, bam, bam before she could grab the remote. I know they are gonna hear it soon enough, but for now we are telling them that such words are bad. They are told not to repeat bad words or use them, and it has worked thus far without them rebelling. Kids are like sponges, they absorb things quickly, and then quickly repeat or mimic what the see or hear. If not corrected, they will grow up thinking that it's ok to say this or that, and to do this or that without thinking it's wrong. It's sad that there are so many parents it seems now, that didn't do the hard work early on in order to make sure that the seeds of good were then planted in the minds of the little ones, and this in so that the longevity of the growing tree's life is secured, cared for and becomes productive during that life. The parrables in the Bible have some great wisdom on the subject, and especially the one called the sower and the seed.

 

[beagle9]

The daughter was telling me that she told her husband that it's aggravating in allowing the kids to watch TV or the internet unsupervised now, because it's as if almost every show has some kind of sex scene or cursing in it now. She said to me "what happen to the days where the couple could just kiss and move on" ? I told her it's just the spiraling down of society being indoctrinated by the screens in the TV room or worse in the kids room these days. In many cases TV and internet has become the child sitter while parents are knee deep in their phones. Tragic stuff that will have generational outcomes, and in many cases we are seeing the early on previews of it all right now.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Are there truly many deplorable (in terms of content, not production/writing quality) television shows? I don't think I've thought of any shows that way. Occasionally I or my wife had to counsel our kids about what they saw on a show. At times, something said or alluded to on a show catalyzed a discussion that I or my wife weren't chomping at the bit, as it were, to discuss with our kids, but the need do so arose, so we dealt with it.

One cannot control what influences and information comes a kid's way. One can only teach and guide them about how to handle it and hope they'll take to heart one's instruction. In general, I found that what their mother and I didn't treat as "forbidden fruit," they didn't didn't become hell bent to "eat." And, no, my kids (all over 18 now) are neither dissolute nor impetuous.

 

[FA_Q2]

People watch it, so they make it

. Why would any business want to limit their customer base or viewership due to the desires of a control freak that wants to get back at her dad, her upbringing, her teachers, her mom, her failed relationships or whatever ?? I mean you would think by the way it is, that the girl could say off with their heads after they bomb, and someone from backstage would come running out to chop a contestants head off (for shock value), and just for her. lol

That is the point. They are not limiting their audience - they are massively expanding it. The fact is that there is a tried and true formula that costs almost nothing to implement and works courtliness in generating viewership.

Is short, there are a LOT more out there that like the trash that Hollywood produces these days than there are those like you that cannot stand the trash out there. The fact that the view is still on should show how bad it really is.

 

[Picaro]

There is always a big market for trash, from the 'Penny Dreadfuls' to pulp writers of the 1800's to the typical run of silent movies to Hollywood, always sleazy and still is, to the music biz, porn, and pop culture; now we're in an era of blood sports being normalized, with ice hockey and boxing matches now normal TV fare and with the 'cage fights' now mainstreaming on major networks; reminds one of the decadence of the Roman theatre in the late Empire when raping and murdering slaves on stage as part of plays reflected the general decadence and desensitization of society reaching its nadir. Now a message from the man whose influence and programs for destroying countries from within is still wildly popular, with both the 'Left' and the 'Right' wings now: Once you inbed the notion of total 'individualism' and generate major alienation from any sort of community and traditional value systems in favor of mindless self-indulgence and hedonism, it becomes much easier for organized groups to take whatever they want with little effective opposition standing in the way of attaining absolute power from all those narcissistic 'free thinking individuals'.

Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity. … In the new order, Socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media by transforming the consciousness of society.- Antonio Gramsci

 

[usmbguest5318]

Are there truly many deplorable (in terms of content, not production/writing quality) television shows? I don't think I've thought of any shows that way.

I wrote the above as my initial on-topic post, and then I thought more about what I'd written. I stand by what I wrote and implied; however, I decided I'm aware of shows that strike me as insipid in concept and what little of the execution I've seen of them. Are they worthy of my contempt, as the OP would put it? No, they're not that bad; indeed, I don't know how a TV show could be. The thing with those insipid shows is that because I think so of them, I don't watch them beyond the episode (or part thereof) that I watched and found silly.

What shows strike me so? Well, I a point to two genres of shows that do:

• So-called reality TV shows, a la The Real World, Big Brother, Bachelor/Bachelorette and Housewives.
  
  For the life of me I don't know what makes people, millions of them no less, tune in to watch what amounts to life in a dorm (or maybe a group house such as some young people live in) (Real World) or the staged goings-on in the lives of people who are colocated in some town or building, which, aside from the pretense that the characters aren't acting, strikes me as little different from daytime television dramas.
  
  After all, the human experience is not particularly unique; everyone's lives play out more or less like those of the people on those shows. There's plenty of reality in each and every person's life. One need only pay attention to their own life to see real living played out before them....
• Gossip TV a la TMZ. There may be other gossip TV shows, but I don't know of them. I suppose my disdain for this type of show is somewhat related to my distaste for reality TV. I'm interested in what celebrities do when I allow them to entertain me, but outside of that, what they do is what they do and it matters not to me. Why do I need to know why, I don't know, Brad and Angelina are separating? What is who Justin Bieber is dating something I need to know? That "so and so" bought a fancy house somewhere means what for me? And if/when I have occasion to visit them there, I'll discover what that house looks like, but prior to that, I have no need to know.
  
  When one of them invents the cure for the common cold, that'll be worth telling me about. If one of them is running for elected office in D.C. (where I vote), that too is worth my knowing. There are plenty of things celebs might do that are worth talking about, but the stuff on which gossip TV focuses isn't generally among those things.

Does any of that make the shows deplorable? No, it just makes them puerile, boorish and boring.

 

[beagle9]

Are there truly many deplorable (in terms of content, not production/writing quality) television shows? I don't think I've thought of any shows that way. Occasionally I or my wife had to counsel our kids about what they saw on a show. At times, something said or alluded to on a show catalyzed a discussion that I or my wife weren't chomping at the bit, as it were, to discuss with our kids, but the need do so arose, so we dealt with it.

One cannot control what influences and information comes a kid's way. One can only teach and guide them about how to handle it and hope they'll take to heart one's instruction. In general, I found that what their mother and I didn't treat as "forbidden fruit," they didn't didn't become hell bent to "eat." And, no, my kids (all over 18 now) are neither dissolute nor impetuous.

. Back in the old days one could rely upon responsible adults when the kids were relayed from our hands into governments (public schools) hands. Not so much these days anymore. Just hold your breath these days, and do alot of praying. Congrats on the kids doing well.

 

[beagle9]

People watch it, so they make it

. Why would any business want to limit their customer base or viewership due to the desires of a control freak that wants to get back at her dad, her upbringing, her teachers, her mom, her failed relationships or whatever ?? I mean you would think by the way it is, that the girl could say off with their heads after they bomb, and someone from backstage would come running out to chop a contestants head off (for shock value), and just for her. lol

That is the point. They are not limiting their audience - they are massively expanding it. The fact is that there is a tried and true formula that costs almost nothing to implement and works courtliness in generating viewership.

Is short, there are a LOT more out there that like the trash that Hollywood produces these days than there are those like you that cannot stand the trash out there. The fact that the view is still on should show how bad it really is.

. Yes the bad has crept and crept and crept itself into every nook and cranny.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Miley should do porn!

She looks too much like a boy.

 

[JoeMoma]

Miley should do porn!

She looks too much like a boy.

I can tell the difference.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Miley should do porn!

She looks too much like a boy.

I can tell the difference.

You can? Wow! I am impressed.

 

[beagle9]

Are there truly many deplorable (in terms of content, not production/writing quality) television shows? I don't think I've thought of any shows that way.

I wrote the above as my initial on-topic post, and then I thought more about what I'd written. I stand by what I wrote and implied; however, I decided I'm aware of shows that strike me as insipid in concept and what little of the execution I've seen of them. Are they worthy of my contempt, as the OP would put it? No, they're not that bad; indeed, I don't know how a TV show could be. The thing with those insipid shows is that because I think so of them, I don't watch them beyond the episode (or part thereof) that I watched and found silly.

What shows strike me so? Well, I a point to two genres of shows that do:

• So-called reality TV shows, a la The Real World, Big Brother, Bachelor/Bachelorette and Housewives.
  
  For the life of me I don't know what makes people, millions of them no less, tune in to watch what amounts to life in a dorm (or maybe a group house such as some young people live in) (Real World) or the staged goings-on in the lives of people who are colocated in some town or building, which, aside from the pretense that the characters aren't acting, strikes me as little different from daytime television dramas.
  
  After all, the human experience is not particularly unique; everyone's lives play out more or less like those of the people on those shows. There's plenty of reality in each and every person's life. One need only pay attention to their own life to see real living played out before them....
• Gossip TV a la TMZ. There may be other gossip TV shows, but I don't know of them. I suppose my disdain for this type of show is somewhat related to my distaste for reality TV. I'm interested in what celebrities do when I allow them to entertain me, but outside of that, what they do is what they do and it matters not to me. Why do I need to know why, I don't know, Brad and Angelina are separating? What is who Justin Bieber is dating something I need to know? That "so and so" bought a fancy house somewhere means what for me? And if/when I have occasion to visit them there, I'll discover what that house looks like, but prior to that, I have no need to know.
  
  When one of them invents the cure for the common cold, that'll be worth telling me about. If one of them is running for elected office in D.C. (where I vote), that too is worth my knowing. There are plenty of things celebs might do that are worth talking about, but the stuff on which gossip TV focuses isn't generally among those things.

Does any of that make the shows deplorable? No, it just makes them puerile, boorish and boring.

. Certain content and the percentages of it is what makes shows either deplorable or not. I was alright with the living room being alive with music and song from the voice, and this as the whole family was being entertained, but when Miley had to use profanity back to back, and then emphasize the word when used it, my antenna went up. I said to the wife "does she have to use that word like that" ? Especially it being a supposed family type show. Good Grief.

 

[FA_Q2]

Are there truly many deplorable (in terms of content, not production/writing quality) television shows? I don't think I've thought of any shows that way.

I wrote the above as my initial on-topic post, and then I thought more about what I'd written. I stand by what I wrote and implied; however, I decided I'm aware of shows that strike me as insipid in concept and what little of the execution I've seen of them. Are they worthy of my contempt, as the OP would put it? No, they're not that bad; indeed, I don't know how a TV show could be. The thing with those insipid shows is that because I think so of them, I don't watch them beyond the episode (or part thereof) that I watched and found silly.

What shows strike me so? Well, I a point to two genres of shows that do:

• So-called reality TV shows, a la The Real World, Big Brother, Bachelor/Bachelorette and Housewives.
  
  For the life of me I don't know what makes people, millions of them no less, tune in to watch what amounts to life in a dorm (or maybe a group house such as some young people live in) (Real World) or the staged goings-on in the lives of people who are colocated in some town or building, which, aside from the pretense that the characters aren't acting, strikes me as little different from daytime television dramas.
  
  After all, the human experience is not particularly unique; everyone's lives play out more or less like those of the people on those shows. There's plenty of reality in each and every person's life. One need only pay attention to their own life to see real living played out before them....
• Gossip TV a la TMZ. There may be other gossip TV shows, but I don't know of them. I suppose my disdain for this type of show is somewhat related to my distaste for reality TV. I'm interested in what celebrities do when I allow them to entertain me, but outside of that, what they do is what they do and it matters not to me. Why do I need to know why, I don't know, Brad and Angelina are separating? What is who Justin Bieber is dating something I need to know? That "so and so" bought a fancy house somewhere means what for me? And if/when I have occasion to visit them there, I'll discover what that house looks like, but prior to that, I have no need to know.
  
  When one of them invents the cure for the common cold, that'll be worth telling me about. If one of them is running for elected office in D.C. (where I vote), that too is worth my knowing. There are plenty of things celebs might do that are worth talking about, but the stuff on which gossip TV focuses isn't generally among those things.

Does any of that make the shows deplorable? No, it just makes them puerile, boorish and boring.

What makes the shows deplorable is the content - content that is centered on people acting in a deplorable way.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Are there truly many deplorable (in terms of content, not production/writing quality) television shows? I don't think I've thought of any shows that way. Occasionally I or my wife had to counsel our kids about what they saw on a show. At times, something said or alluded to on a show catalyzed a discussion that I or my wife weren't chomping at the bit, as it were, to discuss with our kids, but the need do so arose, so we dealt with it.

One cannot control what influences and information comes a kid's way. One can only teach and guide them about how to handle it and hope they'll take to heart one's instruction. In general, I found that what their mother and I didn't treat as "forbidden fruit," they didn't didn't become hell bent to "eat." And, no, my kids (all over 18 now) are neither dissolute nor impetuous.

. Back in the old days one could rely upon responsible adults when the kids were relayed from our hands into governments (public schools) hands. Not so much these days anymore. Just hold your breath these days, and do alot of praying. Congrats on the kids doing well.

While we know there are exceptions, teachers and school administrators to me seem today also to be responsible adults.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Are there truly many deplorable (in terms of content, not production/writing quality) television shows? I don't think I've thought of any shows that way.

I wrote the above as my initial on-topic post, and then I thought more about what I'd written. I stand by what I wrote and implied; however, I decided I'm aware of shows that strike me as insipid in concept and what little of the execution I've seen of them. Are they worthy of my contempt, as the OP would put it? No, they're not that bad; indeed, I don't know how a TV show could be. The thing with those insipid shows is that because I think so of them, I don't watch them beyond the episode (or part thereof) that I watched and found silly.

What shows strike me so? Well, I a point to two genres of shows that do:

• So-called reality TV shows, a la The Real World, Big Brother, Bachelor/Bachelorette and Housewives.
  
  For the life of me I don't know what makes people, millions of them no less, tune in to watch what amounts to life in a dorm (or maybe a group house such as some young people live in) (Real World) or the staged goings-on in the lives of people who are colocated in some town or building, which, aside from the pretense that the characters aren't acting, strikes me as little different from daytime television dramas.
  
  After all, the human experience is not particularly unique; everyone's lives play out more or less like those of the people on those shows. There's plenty of reality in each and every person's life. One need only pay attention to their own life to see real living played out before them....
• Gossip TV a la TMZ. There may be other gossip TV shows, but I don't know of them. I suppose my disdain for this type of show is somewhat related to my distaste for reality TV. I'm interested in what celebrities do when I allow them to entertain me, but outside of that, what they do is what they do and it matters not to me. Why do I need to know why, I don't know, Brad and Angelina are separating? What is who Justin Bieber is dating something I need to know? That "so and so" bought a fancy house somewhere means what for me? And if/when I have occasion to visit them there, I'll discover what that house looks like, but prior to that, I have no need to know.
  
  When one of them invents the cure for the common cold, that'll be worth telling me about. If one of them is running for elected office in D.C. (where I vote), that too is worth my knowing. There are plenty of things celebs might do that are worth talking about, but the stuff on which gossip TV focuses isn't generally among those things.

Does any of that make the shows deplorable? No, it just makes them puerile, boorish and boring.

. Certain content and the percentages of it is what makes shows either deplorable or not. I was alright with the living room being alive with music and song from the voice, and this as the whole family was being entertained, but when Miley had to use profanity back to back, and then emphasize the word when used it, my antenna went up. I said to the wife "does she have to use that word like that" ? Especially it being a supposed family type show. Good Grief.

Well, what am I to say. That bothers you and it's your prerogative to let it do so. It doesn't bother me and it doesn't bother me that my kids hear "foul" language. Once I became aware they were hearing it is when my wife and I had to teach them about it and include not using them (as kids at least) as part of the comportment that was expected of them and that their failure to exhibit the expected behavior had consequences they would not like.

We weren't of a mind to "get our panties in a bunch" over something so easily handled and that we couldn't control anyway. My kids went to boarding school. They were gonna see what they were gonna see, and hear what they heard. I wasn't worried about the school, but they have televisions, they cell phones, and computers. What they may have been exposed to via television was, frankly, the least of my concerns.

 

[FA_Q2]

Are there truly many deplorable (in terms of content, not production/writing quality) television shows? I don't think I've thought of any shows that way. Occasionally I or my wife had to counsel our kids about what they saw on a show. At times, something said or alluded to on a show catalyzed a discussion that I or my wife weren't chomping at the bit, as it were, to discuss with our kids, but the need do so arose, so we dealt with it.

One cannot control what influences and information comes a kid's way. One can only teach and guide them about how to handle it and hope they'll take to heart one's instruction. In general, I found that what their mother and I didn't treat as "forbidden fruit," they didn't didn't become hell bent to "eat." And, no, my kids (all over 18 now) are neither dissolute nor impetuous.

. Back in the old days one could rely upon responsible adults when the kids were relayed from our hands into governments (public schools) hands. Not so much these days anymore. Just hold your breath these days, and do alot of praying. Congrats on the kids doing well.

While we know there are exceptions, teachers and school administrators to me seem today also to be responsible adults.

Meh. They are responsible. I feel that their tool box is overly limited today though. There is simply way to much coddling that need not be there. Hell, I get a note sent to me if my kid trips without even leaving a scratch. This is not, IMHO, due to the schools though. It is due to very poor parents that think they have angels that can do no wrong and get angry at the school for basic discipline.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Are there truly many deplorable (in terms of content, not production/writing quality) television shows? I don't think I've thought of any shows that way. Occasionally I or my wife had to counsel our kids about what they saw on a show. At times, something said or alluded to on a show catalyzed a discussion that I or my wife weren't chomping at the bit, as it were, to discuss with our kids, but the need do so arose, so we dealt with it.

One cannot control what influences and information comes a kid's way. One can only teach and guide them about how to handle it and hope they'll take to heart one's instruction. In general, I found that what their mother and I didn't treat as "forbidden fruit," they didn't didn't become hell bent to "eat." And, no, my kids (all over 18 now) are neither dissolute nor impetuous.

. Back in the old days one could rely upon responsible adults when the kids were relayed from our hands into governments (public schools) hands. Not so much these days anymore. Just hold your breath these days, and do alot of praying. Congrats on the kids doing well.

While we know there are exceptions, teachers and school administrators to me seem today also to be responsible adults.

Meh. They are responsible. I feel that their tool box is overly limited today though. There is simply way to much coddling that need not be there. Hell, I get a note sent to me if my kid trips without even leaving a scratch. This is not, IMHO, due to the schools though. It is due to very poor parents that think they have angels that can do no wrong and get angry at the school for basic discipline.

Maybe so....