Why Do RWers Conflate Capitalism with Democracy?

[☭proletarian☭]

Communism is a classless society?

Then why do the workers and the leaders lead entirely different lives in ALL Communist societies?

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You've examples of this?


The only 'leaders' in a communist society are those whose ideas gain influence.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I would say move to Oklahoma or Louisiana but that's just too much to ask anyone to do.

Huh????

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Communism is a classless society?

Then why do the workers and the leaders lead entirely different lives in ALL Communist societies?

.

You've examples of this?


The only 'leaders' in a communist society are those whose ideas gain influence.

Cuba, China, N. Korea...

You don't read much do you?

Asshat.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

You don't know very much, do you?


I'm waiting for you to post an example.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The only 'leaders' in a communist society are those whose ideas gain influence.

Gott ask... how old are you?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

None of those you listed are communist societies, genius?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

The only 'leaders' in a communist society are those whose ideas gain influence.

Gott ask... how old are you?

I was born on May 5, 1818.

Feel free to do the math

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

You don't know very much, do you?


I'm waiting for you to post an example.

Sorry bub.... you're gonna have to do your own research. I do my own, I'm not doing yours.

It's the CAPITALIST way... each takes care of his own. Foreign concept to you I'm certain.. self reliance.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The only 'leaders' in a communist society are those whose ideas gain influence.

Gott ask... how old are you?

I was born on May 5, 1818.

Feel free to do the math

Enough said. You're an idiot.

Buh Bye.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

So... Soggy can't provide a single example....

 

[Ragnar]

None of those you listed are communist societies, genius?

Proletarian has a point. There's never actually been a pure communist State. Not because it has not been tried (no matter how many millions killed) and not becasue "man is not good enough or ready yet" for such a system either. A communist State has never emerged for the same reason that there has never been "Heaven on earth". It's a cloud coo-coo-land fairy tale that can't exist because it is outside the provence of reason. The harder men try for it, the faster they die in misery. It's the opposite of capitalism. It's the evil twin from a parallel universe.

It always runs the same coarse. State, "were headed to communism, step one... give up your property rights". People, "OK, we give you all our property and have killed all who disagreed", what is step two?". State, "fuck you, there is no step two suckers". The end.

Capitalism is the progressive ideal, because it is the only social system that that leaves man free to pursue -- and achieve -- his own happiness.

Capitalism is the ethical ideal, because it is the only social system that leaves man free to be moral -- to live by the use of his own mind.

Capitalism is the objective ideal -- because it is the only system that is true, both in philosophical theory and in economic practice.

Capitalism... because money is the root of all good.

"You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it's crumbling around you, while you're damning its life-blood--money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edge of your cities. Throughout men's history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, whose names changed, but whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves--slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody's mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer, Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers--as industrialists.

"To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in history, a country of money--and I have no higher, more reverent tribute to pay to America, for this means: a country of reason, justice, freedom, production, achievement. For the first time, man's mind and money were set free, and there were no fortunes-by-conquest, but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest type of human being--the self-made man--the American industrialist.

"If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose--because it contains all the others--the fact that they were the people who created the phrase 'to make money.' No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity--to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words 'to make money' hold the essence of human morality.

"Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters' continents. Now the looters' credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide-- as, I think, he will.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns--or dollars. Take your choice--there is no other--and your time is running out."

"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand -- Capitalism Magazine

 

[MarcATL]

They aren't the same.

What's wrong with you?

Why don't you move to China where Capitalism is THRIVING?

Seriously...whats wrong with you?

Are you serious?

China is thriving?

Don't you mean the Chinese government is thriving? I can assure you that the people are not.

It is likely a waste of time, but I have a minute to kill here.

The synergistic balance of liberty from oppressive government and the opportunity to take your potential to the very highest level it can achieve are a natural match. How could you not conflate the two?

What would you replace our capitalistic system with?

Do you realize that your post crystalizes my point? Or are you that dense?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why do LW'er have to invent stupid shit to go hysterical over?

Palin was on Beck discussed Boooooosh and WMD's!!!