Why do Republicans bash socialism - when it's all around them?

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    Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

    Sounds horrible, huh?

    Well I hate to be the one to tell you, but Socialism, which you have been told to fear all your life, is responsible for all this...

    1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

    2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

    3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

    4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

    5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.


    MORE: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    What the hell is wrong with a little socialism? We live with it. It's all around us. It has made our lives better. It's called Democratic Socialism.


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    From the OP link:

    You see, we are still a capitalist nation. In America, you can still make a billion dollars, get a giant tax cut, and pay your employees barely enough to survive while you sail in your yacht to escape any guilt that might inconvenience you. So don't freak out just yet!

    The thing is, socialism is all over America and people actually like it. Even you... Yes you!

    My overall argument is not for a completely socialist nation. This would not work. A completely capitalist nation would not work either.

    I'm just simply saying that I, as a Democratic Socialist, feel that the two can co-exist. I know this because they always have. Socialism and capitalism have always co-existed in America.

    I also believe in freedom. I believe options are a form of freedom.

    Right now in the United States of America, I can send mail through the public postal service or I can choose a private option like FedEx. I can send my kids to public school or private school.

    As liberals, we don't want a government takeover, we want options. We think we should have the freedom to be able to choose to have government health care if we don't like our private plan.

    If we are 18-64, we have no options or freedom over our own health care. I don't understand why this isn't viewed as a corporate takeover of health care.

    Socialism is not a bad thing. It is a foundation in this country of ours. Claiming socialism is bad because of radical and non-factual comparisons to Hitler and Stalin is like saying all guns are bad because of the Columbine killers and Jared Loughner.

    National socialism and communism are very, very different from Democratic Socialism here in America. I'd explain further but this topic is for another post, this one is long enough. Besides, socialism defeated Hitler.

    So let's just stop the madness and have a serious discussion about socialism and the role it plays in America.
     
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    Pretty accurate post,

    Except we're 22 trillion in debt with four cents on the dollar of purchasing power.

    So wouldn't call that improving America
     
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    Nope. We're a Keynesian nation.

    The article's author over there clearly lacks a grasp of economic theory and monetary policy both.
     
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    Ask Republicans. They're the ones doing most of the spending - while they bash socialism and cut taxes for the rich. They only squawk about debt when Democrats are in power.
     
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    Curious, why do you bash capitalism when it's all around you?

    Dare I name some examples?

    Your clothes? You paid for them using the capitalist method.
    The PC or Laptop you post your garbage on? You paid for it via the capitalist method.
    Your car? You more than likely paid for it via the capitalist method.
    The food you eat? Paid for by the capitalist method.

    You buy, the government taxes, and the seller profits.

    Note that all of the examples in your OP are things instituted by government, not the free market. The free market prefers capitalism, for a reason.
     
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    Who's bashing capitalism? I engage in it everyday - just like I do socialism. America is a blend of capitalism and socialism - democratic socialism.
     
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    Then why don't we see you posting threads highlighting the perks of capitalism then? Or how it has improved America?

    Why? Because it's not democratic socialism you're after.
     
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    I don't really disagree. For the most part anyway. I think both sides of the party of one do their own fair share of spending. Some of it bipartisan. And it is funny when one side accuses the other of doing the same thing they're doing.

    Ultimately both theoretical sides have a belief in deficit financing. Both favor inflationism and central economic planning by a central bank. Both have their own welfare pet peeve whether it's the trillions in military spending or that of social welfare. Etc.

    My only issue with your piece is that there is a problem with definitions and understanding of what kind of policies we actually have.

    I don't even like the term capitalism. I like free markets. But if you say free markets and capitalism together, no, we don't have that. Problem is the socialists come in and say hey capitaism is so bad what we need is socialism. But really we already have economic socialism. That's what Keynesianism is. This monetary policy is designed to reward the rich and destroy the middle class. And it's doing precisely that very thing. But...it's also designed to fail. And they simply can't keep kicking that can down the road worrying about whose watch it's gonna have to happen on. Ultimately, it must naturally be the market itself which will decide. And it will be. It can't and won't be the Fed or the government who decides the grande finale.
     
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    Unfettered/unregulated capitalism is as destructive as unfettered/unregulated socialism.
     
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