Why do people hate Liberals?

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  1. emilynghiem
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    Dear Frankeneinstein
    Given the Conservatives and Constitutionalists who believe the point of the Constitution
    is to limit govt and prevent abuse of govt to establish, impose or "dictate" religious morals
    against the beliefs, consent and free choice/liberty of individuals;
    is it any wonder that Liberals are rejected and denounced who either don't believe in Constitutional laws or limits,
    don't believe they are imposing beliefs or abusing Govt, but believe it is their right to vote in whatever policy they
    believe should be established, regardless of the beliefs of others they don't recognize as inviolate.

    It doesn't even require Liberals to CHANGE the beliefs to correspond to others.
    But even to RECOGNIZE their beliefs and the beliefs of others are EQUALLY protected under law
    from infringement by govt; even THAT would allow the imposition and offensive abuses to stop.

    But the Liberals who can't even recognize political beliefs for what they are,
    don't respect equal free choice to have, exercise and defend these from govt infringement,
    and don't recognize that any others have VALID beliefs or rights to them,
    THAT'S what causes opponents to take such a hard stance against them as violating laws and principles,
    and causes them to "give up" trying to explain or work with Liberals dead set on abusing govt to establish their own beliefs.

    This is TOTALLY against the spirit of Constitutional laws,
    and not only do Liberals fail to respect these limits and recognize they are violating Constitutional principles,
    but when Conservatives and Republicans are forced to try to CORRECT overreaches,
    then they become implicated in the same problems that shouldn't have been created through govt in the first place!

    So then Liberals can't tell the difference between what is Constitutional or not
    when both sides end up having to breach Constitutional limits to FIX the breaches
    that never should have occurred in the first place.

    Of course this is blamed on Liberals, and if Liberals can't see how
    all this mess violates Constitutional limits and duties of govt,
    that's why the politics goes in circles in a vicious cycle
    where the blame escalates.
     
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    Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



    Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.
     
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    So angry, and so ignorant - it must suck to be you.
     
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    /—-/ Angry? Libs are the ones who seethe with rage and can't accept the results of an election.
     
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    The OP hasn't posted in almost 5 years.
    Probably committed suicide after Trumps election.
     
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    Dear Tinhatter Wry Catcher
    Any parties, including Libertarians Constitutionists and Green Party members,
    are going through the same politics where bigger bullies are competing to
    oppress and control for sake of agenda.

    That's not enough to distinguish what is the DIFFERENCE
    between Conservative Republicans vs. Liberal Democrats.

    A MAJOR reason for differences is there are more Conservatives
    Christians and Constitutionalists among the REPUBLICANS who
    believe in using either Christian scriptural laws/authority
    and/or Constitutional laws principles and authority to
    CHECK AGAINST erroneous or abusive policies.

    Democrats and Liberals generally don't give the same religious credence
    to laws and authority as the rightwing believers do. The Liberals Democrats
    Greens and Progressives tend to rely on party and political power to enforce
    what they want, they don't rely on Constitutional arguments as Conservatives do.

    The DIFFERENCE this makes
    1. there is no Constitutional check on what liberals will push through govt
    because they don't believe in limits but have trouble distinguishing any difference
    between local state or federal laws govt and authority. anything goes as long as
    it gets voted in or ruled on by a judge in a court.

    2. members of liberal parties don't have the same system of checking
    each other, or govt, or their party leaders by citing the Constitution (or Christian
    scriptures in the case of rebuking a fellow Christian)

    So there is also no check within the party and between members
    as you have with Conservatives Christians and Constitutionalists
    who respond to checks back and forth based on common commitment
    to these principles they hold to be a shared responsibility to enforce among
    fellow believers

    3. last, this leads to a difference in EMPOWERMENT and AUTHORITY.
    Conservatives and Christians who use their own church, nonprofit or business institutions
    to run their own programs and policies don't rely on govt for that and many are appalled threatened or violated by being forced to give up this freedom to govt to regulate by coercion.

    The liberals who don't have the same organizations experience or capacity to manage their own programs directly end up not only depending and lobbying for govt to be in charge,
    but they teach others to depend on govt and party. They can't very well teach anyone else to fish or manage for themselves if they don't have that ability to do that or see this as a choice.

    Unfortunately this unequal access to authority and knowledge of the law
    not only keeps economic and political disparity going, but it causes the
    current political conflicts and environment of trying to force independent
    communities and citizens "to give up their freedom" and pay taxes to GOVT
    to manage these programs since not everyone has equal ability yet.

    So it becomes a vicious cycle of not only keep people oppressed and disenfranchised,
    but moving BACKWARD by forcing others to start paying and depending on govt
    (instead of moving FORWARD and empowering MORE people to govern themselves
    and their own programs directly themselves to maximize democratic ownership).

    The good thing about liberals and democrats is demanding INCLUSION and not just keeping the same monopolies going; but the WRONG way to change this is to push everything through govt which isn't equipped to manage that level of diversity and
    democratic representation on a grassroots scale as needed to fully include all people.
    Instead, going through govt should be used to set up FACILITIES in every district to
    TEACH self government, ownership and management so people DO become
    INDEPENDENT not dependent on govt. It's fine to go through govt to make sure
    there are organized systems of representing everyone, but from there, districts should be free to decide and manage their own policies and programs.

    We need both inclusion of people of ALL levels of education and status,
    but also an organized system of training people in self management and govt
    so they can develop independently, not stay stuck as pawns dependent on govt.
     
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    About the only thing you said that I would not agree with is that I do not see liberals and democrats now "demanding INCLUSION", so much as demanding EXCLUSION of everyone else. I see no real attempt at compromise anymore. About the only thing I do see (and have seen since Trump took office), is a herd of shrill sore losers determined to monkeywrench the current regime by any means necessary, use censorship to gut 'Free Speech', and embrace commie/socialist tactics to try and force a victory in 2020.
     
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    This pretty much answers your question

    Why has the Democratic Party become so arrogantly detached from ordinary Americans? Though they claim to speak for the poor and dispossessed, Democrats have increasingly become the party of an upper-middle-class professional elite, top-heavy with journalists, academics and lawyers.

    Camille Paglia
     
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    I am a ex Dem liberal. I don't hate Liberals anymore than I hate my left arm . What this boils down to is fearing abusive people that steal your ideology and pose themselves as something they aren't and somehow magically get a free pass . I don't side with these childish nihilistic contrarians and I don't care what they call themselves.
     
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    Maybe what you see is the result of the blinders placed on your face by watching Fox News and reading RW tabloids? Open up you mind, unlock the box in which you've been place and think for yourself.
     
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