Why do liberals hate Christianity ?

[norwegen]

Christianity is simply a fairy tale. Actually, it's a copycat fairy tale.

10 Christ-like Figures Who Pre-Date Jesus - Listverse

So that is your reason for your hate and fear?


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Before christerism was defange an declawed during the enlightenment it spread itself by the sword, as in inquisitions and crusades , even in America the witch trials. Up until the last century it was pogroms, etc

Uh, no. Christianity was not defanged during the Enlightenment. On the contrary, it experienced a surge in growth.

Granted, evangelical Christianity met with opposition within the church, the Rationalists (Anglicans/Church of England) wishing to maintain their ways, the Evangelicals promoting a more personal, Biblical brand of the faith, and then witnessing their movement sweep America and England (George Whitefield pretty much kickstarted it).

Both Evangelical Christianity and mainline Christianity were integral to American life by the time of the founding, having already been a part of it for a century and a half.

Treatises of the Enlightenment thinkers as well as sermons of the Enlightenment preachers were both published extensively in pamphlet form before the war.

 

[Pogo]

Christianity is simply a fairy tale. Actually, it's a copycat fairy tale.

10 Christ-like Figures Who Pre-Date Jesus - Listverse

So that is your reason for your hate and fear?


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Before christerism was defange an declawed during the enlightenment it spread itself by the sword, as in inquisitions and crusades , even in America the witch trials. Up until the last century it was pogroms, etc

All too true.

And this was a major reason the Liberals who founded this Great Experiment wrote in a clause about freedom to practice the religion of one's choice. Those pogroms, the stench of the burning bodies of "witches", with their children forced to watch, the torture devices squeezing and piercing flesh, were all too fresh in the memory. They were going to ensure their new country did not and could not descend into such a hellacious degradation of humanity.

 

[guno]

Both Islam and Christianity were spread by violence. That is how their religions were spread. Empires force beliefs onto their conquered colonies. Contrary to popular belief, it wasn't the missionaries that are making everyone christian. It was centuries of european imperialism for christianity, and centuries of arabian imperialism for Islam. But for the most part, yes the Muslims tended to be more tolerant of other religions and ideas which helped bring about a golden age in the middle east which prompted the creation of modern medicine and mathematics.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Why? Because in this country the majority religion is christerism and practice in its fundamentalist form it's a mental illness. It stunts the rational thinking process. It is a virus of the mind

Christianity
The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Yeah, Christianity makes perfect sense.

You do realize, don't you, that the separatist Puritans/Congregationalists were evangelical? And that their publications in the 17th and 18th centuries were highly influential in forming our foundational principles? The Quakers (the Charismatics/Pentecostals of their day) also laid a solid Christian foundation in our land, Pennsylvania being the most tolerant British colony on the Atlantic seaboard, the example for and envy of the others.

Did you know then that the Congregationalists were leaders of the Great Awakening of the 1740s, a period of punctuated growth in evangelical Christianity in America?

But damn, those Puritans and Congregationalists sure messed things up, though, didn't they?

The Founding Fathers took great pains to separate church and state for a very sound reason. Many of those who emigrated to the colonies did so in order to avoid state sponsored religious persecution. The concept of freedom from a state religion is a de facto freedom from all religion. A true secular state does not endorse any religion and treats believers of all faiths and none at all equally.

The current evangelical push to impose religiously inspired beliefs as legislation on the nation is a violation of everything the founders worked for. To oppose those unconstitutional measures is not "hatred" at all. It is simply being an American and upholding the principles on which this nation was founded.

 

[yidnar]

Both Islam and Christianity were spread by violence. That is how their religions were spread. Empires force beliefs onto their conquered colonies. Contrary to popular belief, it wasn't the missionaries that are making everyone christian. It was centuries of european imperialism for christianity, and centuries of arabian imperialism for Islam. But for the most part, yes the Muslims tended to be more tolerant of other religions and ideas which helped bring about a golden age in the middle east which prompted the creation of modern medicine and mathematics.

not true . the first Christians spread the belief with a message of love and forgiveness.later it was perverted for a few decades by power hungry rulers. the teachings of most denominations preach the message of Christ. Islam was founded on violence and still endorses violence.

 

[Pogo]

Both Islam and Christianity were spread by violence. That is how their religions were spread. Empires force beliefs onto their conquered colonies. Contrary to popular belief, it wasn't the missionaries that are making everyone christian. It was centuries of european imperialism for christianity, and centuries of arabian imperialism for Islam. But for the most part, yes the Muslims tended to be more tolerant of other religions and ideas which helped bring about a golden age in the middle east which prompted the creation of modern medicine and mathematics.

not true . the first Christians spread the belief with a message of love and forgiveness.later it was perverted for a few decades by power hungry rulers. the teachings of most denominations preach the message of Christ. Islam was founded on violence and still endorses violence.

"A few decades"?? Yeah if "a few" is counted in hundreds...

If that had been true, there would be no reason for our First Amendment to exist as it does. Yet it's the first thing out of the gate.

 

[norwegen]

Both Islam and Christianity were spread by violence. That is how their religions were spread. Empires force beliefs onto their conquered colonies. Contrary to popular belief, it wasn't the missionaries that are making everyone christian. It was centuries of european imperialism for christianity, and centuries of arabian imperialism for Islam. But for the most part, yes the Muslims tended to be more tolerant of other religions and ideas which helped bring about a golden age in the middle east which prompted the creation of modern medicine and mathematics.

not true . the first Christians spread the belief with a message of love and forgiveness.later it was perverted for a few decades by power hungry rulers. the teachings of most denominations preach the message of Christ. Islam was founded on violence and still endorses violence.

"A few decades"?? Yeah if "a few" is counted in hundreds...

If that had been true, there would be no reason for our First Amendment to exist as it does. Yet it's the first thing out of the gate.

Religious practices and leadership were not the reason the First Amendment, Little Debbie. State religions were.

 

[yidnar]

Both Islam and Christianity were spread by violence. That is how their religions were spread. Empires force beliefs onto their conquered colonies. Contrary to popular belief, it wasn't the missionaries that are making everyone christian. It was centuries of european imperialism for christianity, and centuries of arabian imperialism for Islam. But for the most part, yes the Muslims tended to be more tolerant of other religions and ideas which helped bring about a golden age in the middle east which prompted the creation of modern medicine and mathematics.

not true . the first Christians spread the belief with a message of love and forgiveness.later it was perverted for a few decades by power hungry rulers. the teachings of most denominations preach the message of Christ. Islam was founded on violence and still endorses violence.

"A few decades"?? Yeah if "a few" is counted in hundreds...

If that had been true, there would be no reason for our First Amendment to exist as it does. Yet it's the first thing out of the gate.

in your leftist opinion which religion poses the greatest threat to our country ??

 

[Pogo]

not true . the first Christians spread the belief with a message of love and forgiveness.later it was perverted for a few decades by power hungry rulers. the teachings of most denominations preach the message of Christ. Islam was founded on violence and still endorses violence.

"A few decades"?? Yeah if "a few" is counted in hundreds...

If that had been true, there would be no reason for our First Amendment to exist as it does. Yet it's the first thing out of the gate.

in your leftist opinion which religion poses the greatest threat to our country ??

Sorry -- I don't have "leftist opinions".

But as a Liberal who believed in the Liberalism that founded it, this country would be under threat from any religion that makes a move to require its adherence. That means legislatively or socially. Whether it's one wag that has an inkling of instituting Sharia or another that points fingers at his chosen religio-fundy Emmanuel Goldstein and declares them responsible for Katrina. That means all the wags who get on this board and claim "O'bama is a Muslim" or "O'bama is not a Muslim". We split religion from politics when Liberalism founded this country. We broke the back of the First and Second Estate and declared them null and void. And we will keep that principle, forever.

Why do Wikipedia entries on politicians include a line on what their religion is? Doesn't belong there. Religion is private; nobody else's business.

 

[Pogo]

not true . the first Christians spread the belief with a message of love and forgiveness.later it was perverted for a few decades by power hungry rulers. the teachings of most denominations preach the message of Christ. Islam was founded on violence and still endorses violence.

"A few decades"?? Yeah if "a few" is counted in hundreds...

If that had been true, there would be no reason for our First Amendment to exist as it does. Yet it's the first thing out of the gate.

Religious practices and leadership were not the reason the First Amendment, Little Debbie. State religions were.

No shit, Sherlock.
You see the reference to "rulers"?

 

[Picaro]

You do realize, don't you, that the separatist Puritans/Congregationalists were evangelical? And that their publications in the 17th and 18th centuries were highly influential in forming our foundational principles? The Quakers (the Charismatics/Pentecostals of their day) also laid a solid Christian foundation in our land, Pennsylvania being the most tolerant British colony on the Atlantic seaboard, the example for and envy of the others.

Did you know then that the Congregationalists were leaders of the Great Awakening of the 1740s, a period of punctuated growth in evangelical Christianity in America?

But damn, those Puritans and Congregationalists sure messed things up, though, didn't they?

Yes. The evangelicals of the first Great Awakening played a major role in the lead up to the Revolution, and the Second Great Awakening revivals put Thomas Jefferson in the White House. Both of the Great Awakenings spawned the abolition movement, the second one being the most familiar for the spread of abolitionism from the 1830's onward. Abolitionism was a fundamentalist movement, not a liberal one, and neither was the Bill of Rights.

I'll add that it wasn't fundamentalism that brought on the Inquisitions; those were based on very liberal and loose interpretations of passages in Deuteronomy and Judges, not anything in the New Testament. Most people usually get it exactly backwards when criticizing some action or other by blaming Christianity and 'fundies'; they don't really know the difference. It wasn't liberals that fought for freedom of religion or individual rights, but the mainly Calvinist fundamentalists.

As for Jefferson, when he was President he attended Sunday church services that were being held in the Treasury building and other Federal buildings, and he also use Federal funds to subsidize Christian missionaries on three occasions; obviously they never meant freedom of religion to be the same as freedom from religion. They just meant a particular denomination couldn't be favored. State churches in those days also had taxing powers and controlled the schools and colleges, and taxes had to be paid whether one was a member of the state favored sect or not.

 

[Kosh]

The far left is threatened by anything that will not accept without question it's religious stance.

 

[Ibentoken]

The Christians are preventing Utopia. That's why the democrats support muslims. Drive a wedge.

 

[Papageorgio]

Christianity is simply a fairy tale. Actually, it's a copycat fairy tale.

10 Christ-like Figures Who Pre-Date Jesus - Listverse

So that is your reason for your hate and fear?


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Before christerism was defange an declawed during the enlightenment it spread itself by the sword, as in inquisitions and crusades , even in America the witch trials. Up until the last century it was pogroms, etc

You just gave another justification for hate. I am asking is the fact that one feels it is a fairy tale, is a reason or justification for hate.

 

[Papageorgio]

Why? Because in this country the majority religion is christerism and practice in its fundamentalist form it's a mental illness. It stunts the rational thinking process. It is a virus of the mind

Christianity
The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Yeah, Christianity makes perfect sense.

You do realize, don't you, that the separatist Puritans/Congregationalists were evangelical? And that their publications in the 17th and 18th centuries were highly influential in forming our foundational principles? The Quakers (the Charismatics/Pentecostals of their day) also laid a solid Christian foundation in our land, Pennsylvania being the most tolerant British colony on the Atlantic seaboard, the example for and envy of the others.

Did you know then that the Congregationalists were leaders of the Great Awakening of the 1740s, a period of punctuated growth in evangelical Christianity in America?

But damn, those Puritans and Congregationalists sure messed things up, though, didn't they?

The Founding Fathers took great pains to separate church and state for a very sound reason. Many of those who emigrated to the colonies did so in order to avoid state sponsored religious persecution. The concept of freedom from a state religion is a de facto freedom from all religion. A true secular state does not endorse any religion and treats believers of all faiths and none at all equally.

The current evangelical push to impose religiously inspired beliefs as legislation on the nation is a violation of everything the founders worked for. To oppose those unconstitutional measures is not "hatred" at all. It is simply being an American and upholding the principles on which this nation was founded.

Nice spin.


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[Pogo]

You do realize, don't you, that the separatist Puritans/Congregationalists were evangelical? And that their publications in the 17th and 18th centuries were highly influential in forming our foundational principles? The Quakers (the Charismatics/Pentecostals of their day) also laid a solid Christian foundation in our land, Pennsylvania being the most tolerant British colony on the Atlantic seaboard, the example for and envy of the others.

Did you know then that the Congregationalists were leaders of the Great Awakening of the 1740s, a period of punctuated growth in evangelical Christianity in America?

But damn, those Puritans and Congregationalists sure messed things up, though, didn't they?

Yes. The evangelicals of the first Great Awakening played a major role in the lead up to the Revolution, and the Second Great Awakening revivals put Thomas Jefferson in the White House. Both of the Great Awakenings spawned the abolition movement, the second one being the most familiar for the spread of abolitionism from the 1830's onward. Abolitionism was a fundamentalist movement, not a liberal one, and neither was the Bill of Rights.

I'll add that it wasn't fundamentalism that brought on the Inquisitions; those were based on very liberal and loose interpretations of passages in Deuteronomy and Judges, not anything in the New Testament. Most people usually get it exactly backwards when criticizing some action or other by blaming Christianity and 'fundies'; they don't really know the difference. It wasn't liberals that fought for freedom of religion or individual rights, but the mainly Calvinist fundamentalists.

As for Jefferson, when he was President he attended Sunday church services that were being held in the Treasury building and other Federal buildings, and he also use Federal funds to subsidize Christian missionaries on three occasions; obviously they never meant freedom of religion to be the same as freedom from religion. They just meant a particular denomination couldn't be favored. State churches in those days also had taxing powers and controlled the schools and colleges, and taxes had to be paid whether one was a member of the state favored sect or not.

"Liberal and loose interpretations"??

That's just bizarre. Almost as bizarre as imagining abolition as anything other than Liberal. There is no more Liberal tenet than "all men are created equal" -- even if the guys who wrote that held it more as an ideal than practice. The whole point of Liberalism was to get out of the striation of classes that held the Church and Nobility "up there" and the people "down here". The same kind of elitism that created subclasses of "heretics" to be burned and "slaves" to be exploited, was what Liberalism was created to get away from.

And yes, freedom of religion does mean freedom from religion, in that the State cannot dictate what your spiritual path is, or whether it involves an organised religion at all.

 

[Derideo_Te]

You do realize, don't you, that the separatist Puritans/Congregationalists were evangelical? And that their publications in the 17th and 18th centuries were highly influential in forming our foundational principles? The Quakers (the Charismatics/Pentecostals of their day) also laid a solid Christian foundation in our land, Pennsylvania being the most tolerant British colony on the Atlantic seaboard, the example for and envy of the others.

Did you know then that the Congregationalists were leaders of the Great Awakening of the 1740s, a period of punctuated growth in evangelical Christianity in America?

But damn, those Puritans and Congregationalists sure messed things up, though, didn't they?

The Founding Fathers took great pains to separate church and state for a very sound reason. Many of those who emigrated to the colonies did so in order to avoid state sponsored religious persecution. The concept of freedom from a state religion is a de facto freedom from all religion. A true secular state does not endorse any religion and treats believers of all faiths and none at all equally.

The current evangelical push to impose religiously inspired beliefs as legislation on the nation is a violation of everything the founders worked for. To oppose those unconstitutional measures is not "hatred" at all. It is simply being an American and upholding the principles on which this nation was founded.

Nice spin.


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Too bad you find the historical facts to be inconvenient when it comes to your personal ideology.

 

[Pogo]

So that is your reason for your hate and fear?


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Before christerism was defange an declawed during the enlightenment it spread itself by the sword, as in inquisitions and crusades , even in America the witch trials. Up until the last century it was pogroms, etc

You just gave another justification for hate. I am asking is the fact that one feels it is a fairy tale, is a reason or justification for hate.

"Hate" was never established. It's the strawman of the OP, who plugged it into a blanket generalization, and, that not being fallacious enough, tries to equate religious views with political ones.

 

[Ibentoken]

There is no such thing as freedom from religion.

 

[Derideo_Te]

There is no such thing as freedom from religion.

As an American I am entitled to be free of having religion imposed upon me by the state. That is what freedom FROM religion means.

It also means that no one else with a religious agenda can use the state to impose their beliefs on me. That applies to things such as when life begins and who gets to marry whom.

My right to freedom from religion means that those who hold religious views cannot pervert the secular state for their own purposes.