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given that you've lately taken to patronizing me... allow me to say, i know that ron paul isn't a neocon. and i'm very clear about what a neocon is.
and i stand by what i said because ineffective government may as well be no government and that is what they want in those areas.
I apologize if I've come across as patronizing.
However, your conception of neocons is incorrect if you believe that they believe in no government income programs.
apology accepted.
what do you think they believe in other than funding military action?
given that you've lately taken to patronizing me... allow me to say, i know that ron paul isn't a neocon. and i'm very clear about what a neocon is.
and i stand by what i said because ineffective government may as well be no government and that is what they want in those areas.
I apologize if I've come across as patronizing.
However, your conception of neocons is incorrect if you believe that they believe in no government income programs.
It's a generic derogatory term aimed at uber cons....shrug
I apologize if I've come across as patronizing.
However, your conception of neocons is incorrect if you believe that they believe in no government income programs.
apology accepted.
what do you think they believe in other than funding military action?
They believe in income support systems. Neocons are ex-liberals. Some may think there should be less or distributed differently, but they fundamentally disagree with libertarian conservatives that the free market is the final moral arbiter. Neocons believe the market is often lacking in morality. That is a big difference between the two.
Yeah, but I find it interesting how US forces in Afghanistan get jumpy when they see Afghan's walking around with AK47's in their own back yard. All they are doing is what the American second amendment suggests. The irony is not lost on me...
Yeah, but I find it interesting how US forces in Afghanistan get jumpy when they see Afghan's walking around with AK47's in their own back yard. All they are doing is what the American second amendment suggests. The irony is not lost on me...
Actually, no we are not jumpy when we see an Afghan with an AK-47. We are well aware of how life there is. We drove through a mud city once called Lashkar Gah, where everyone was armed and waving/smiling at us as we drove by. I saw a one armed man with a RPG. So you're wrong. We were smiling and waving back. No big deal. The only time we get jumpy is when those armed Afghanis fire those weapons at us, which is a natural human response to being shot at. When was the last time you were in Afghanistan and where do your opinions come from?
Most far right conservatives I know do not want to live here with no government whatsoever. They do want a much smaller federal government involved less in our everyday lives. Spend less, tax less, it's a simple concept.
Like most liberals you've taken this to the very extreme to the point of living in rural Afghanistan as an attempt to make a point. It's hyperbole and it does nothing to spur intellectual debate.
apology accepted.
what do you think they believe in other than funding military action?
They believe in income support systems. Neocons are ex-liberals. Some may think there should be less or distributed differently, but they fundamentally disagree with libertarian conservatives that the free market is the final moral arbiter. Neocons believe the market is often lacking in morality. That is a big difference between the two.
i don't see that as being neo-con at all. neo-cons haven't been ex liberals in years. rather, neocons are that part of the right which wants overly aggressive military action in the mid east...
you want to see a neo-con... people like RGS... jroc, ropey... the bomb bomb bomb iran crowd.
but not a dime for Head Start or WIC or planned parenthood... or the SEC or DoE... or health care...
and just to illustrate... as i said.. jroc = neocon.
you not neocon...
They believe in income support systems. Neocons are ex-liberals. Some may think there should be less or distributed differently, but they fundamentally disagree with libertarian conservatives that the free market is the final moral arbiter. Neocons believe the market is often lacking in morality. That is a big difference between the two.
i don't see that as being neo-con at all. neo-cons haven't been ex liberals in years. rather, neocons are that part of the right which wants overly aggressive military action in the mid east...
you want to see a neo-con... people like RGS... jroc, ropey... the bomb bomb bomb iran crowd.
but not a dime for Head Start or WIC or planned parenthood... or the SEC or DoE... or health care...
and just to illustrate... as i said.. jroc = neocon.
you not neocon...
Bush passed the biggest expansion of government into American's lives since LBJ when he signed Medicare Part D. Discretionary, nondefense spending rose faster under Bush than it did under Carter.
All conservatives who promote a muscular foreign policy are not necessarily neocons. Reagan was not a neocon because he invaded Grenada or Panama.
Yeah, but I find it interesting how US forces in Afghanistan get jumpy when they see Afghan's walking around with AK47's in their own back yard. All they are doing is what the American second amendment suggests. The irony is not lost on me...
Actually, no we are not jumpy when we see an Afghan with an AK-47. We are well aware of how life there is. We drove through a mud city once called Lashkar Gah, where everyone was armed and waving/smiling at us as we drove by. I saw a one armed man with a RPG. So you're wrong. We were smiling and waving back. No big deal. The only time we get jumpy is when those armed Afghanis fire those weapons at us, which is a natural human response to being shot at. When was the last time you were in Afghanistan and where do your opinions come from?
Most far right conservatives I know do not want to live here with no government whatsoever. They do want a much smaller federal government involved less in our everyday lives. Spend less, tax less, it's a simple concept.
Like most liberals you've taken this to the very extreme to the point of living in rural Afghanistan as an attempt to make a point. It's hyperbole and it does nothing to spur intellectual debate.
Well?
Well?
Few, if any, American conservatives want any such thing.
Well all these Afghans in the boondocks want are no govt, keep their guns and be masters of their own destiny.
Trust me, the end game for a conservative Utopia is rural Afghanistan...
It is an interesting region I agree, and worthy of study. After Sept 11th occurred, I was in country by mid October, and with the exception of special forces units we were one of the very first combat units with boots on the ground. I believe 2nd Battalion, 6th Marines beat us by a week or so. We were given a briefing on their culture for several weeks leading up to our deployment in country. We were very aware how they were with firearms, and none of us seemed nervous to see them armed. It didn't occur to me it was out of the ordinary. Until of course we were fired upon.
I'm very conservative when it comes to firearms and what I feel is the right to protect myself and family from harm. I am not afraid of any gun legislation and I don't buy into the constant fear of the evil left taking them away. I would like if the government were less invovled in my everyday life, but I understand government is needed.
Great. Toro, Jillian, TD and USMC and myself are having a fine and dandy debate, then the peanut gallery turn up...
It is an interesting region I agree, and worthy of study. After Sept 11th occurred, I was in country by mid October, and with the exception of special forces units we were one of the very first combat units with boots on the ground. I believe 2nd Battalion, 6th Marines beat us by a week or so. We were given a briefing on their culture for several weeks leading up to our deployment in country. We were very aware how they were with firearms, and none of us seemed nervous to see them armed. It didn't occur to me it was out of the ordinary. Until of course we were fired upon.
I'm very conservative when it comes to firearms and what I feel is the right to protect myself and family from harm. I am not afraid of any gun legislation and I don't buy into the constant fear of the evil left taking them away. I would like if the government were less invovled in my everyday life, but I understand government is needed.
it's good that you feel that way about the country
Do you think the country can ever be 'tamed'? It seems history shows it can't.
Yeah, well, I'm an outsider and I find the American fascination with guns, well, fascinating...
It is an interesting region I agree, and worthy of study. After Sept 11th occurred, I was in country by mid October, and with the exception of special forces units we were one of the very first combat units with boots on the ground. I believe 2nd Battalion, 6th Marines beat us by a week or so. We were given a briefing on their culture for several weeks leading up to our deployment in country. We were very aware how they were with firearms, and none of us seemed nervous to see them armed. It didn't occur to me it was out of the ordinary. Until of course we were fired upon.
I'm very conservative when it comes to firearms and what I feel is the right to protect myself and family from harm. I am not afraid of any gun legislation and I don't buy into the constant fear of the evil left taking them away. I would like if the government were less invovled in my everyday life, but I understand government is needed.
it's good that you feel that way about the country
Do you think the country can ever be 'tamed'? It seems history shows it can't.
Yeah, well, I'm an outsider and I find the American fascination with guns, well, fascinating...
No I do not think it can be tamed, it's a tribal region and most tribes are cut off from tribes 50 miles away. What we can, and have done though, is eliminate terrorist sects and high value individuals. With our efforts there I truly believe we've prevented more terrorist attacks, no matter how optimistic that may seem to some.
As to firearms. I think we have a right, and a responsibility to protect ourselves and our family. I do not feel comfortable trusting a police force, or the government as a whole to do that for me. What country are you from? I'm assuming Aussie from the roo there.
Great. Toro, Jillian, TD and USMC and myself are having a fine and dandy debate, then the peanut gallery turn up...
the peanut gallery doesn't like seeing themselves... it offends them, apparently.
