Why do Conservatives on the USMB keep insisting Confederates are Liberals????

[amrchaos]

Can someone explain that to me? How can they be members of this board and know absolutely nothing about American history? Especially after all the discussion?

Sure, there was another poster who posted that the founding fathers were liberals. OK, they were liberals because they rebelled against the king? Following that logic then the confederates also rebelled thus they have to be liberals. And Clive Bundy and his bunch, they too must be liberals.

In fact what is said is that the democrat party was the party of slavery thus the party of the confederacy. they own it yet deny it.

Misuse of the word liberal
The founding fathers were mostly libertarians
They wanted less government intrusion into the lives and economy
and they wanted more individual freedom

The confederates were traditionalist
They resisted social change and wished to maintain the status quo of the south.

Note:
The traditionalist of that time were the Democrats
These same traditionalist Democrats were also the ones that started Jim Crow.(a different generation)
They also argued against integrating the military(and lost--again, another Generation)
They fought against Civil Rights and integration(Another generation)

All the above were traditionalists, trying to hold the status quo on society
All the above were Democrats as well

Now, who are todays traditionalists--i.e. who is trying to hold the social status quo on issues such as marriage, women rights, and immigration?

It is just natural for minorities to oppose the traditionalist. It is usually the traditionalists that stands in their way.

 

[regent]

In most college book stores are small booklets defining political ideologies. The problem with these booklets is because the definitions of the various ideologies might be quite short and once the core beliefs are understood the booklets would not be of much further value. So, the author and publisher throw in more than is needed.

 

[Derideo_Te]

The founding fathers were mostly libertarians

Then why didn't they form a Libertarian government?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Can someone explain that to me? How can they be members of this board and know absolutely nothing about American history? Especially after all the discussion?

Because they hate Robert E. Lee.

 

[Moonglow]

Can someone explain that to me? How can they be members of this board and know absolutely nothing about American history? Especially after all the discussion?

They believe that conservatives are the angels of the republic.....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Why do Conservatives on the USMB keep insisting Confederates are Liberals????"

Because most USMB conservatives are liars, in addition to being ignorant, ridiculous, and wrong.

 

[2aguy]

Can someone explain that to me? How can they be members of this board and know absolutely nothing about American history? Especially after all the discussion?

Yeah...nice lie....confederates were democrats and no, they were not classical liberals. they wanted to preserve the institution of slavery...you guys lie by trying to equate modern conservatism to the racism of the democrats....,,nice try....

 

[2aguy]

They say that shit because they know it pisses us off, not because they actually believe it, no one could possibly be that stupid.

I think they are that stupid and actually believe it.

They totally identify with the confederates, they just try to disavow the racist aftermath as the sons and grandsons of confederates fought the tortuously slow journey of a southern African American to go from slave to free man with the same rights as anyone.

the democrats fought to keep slavery, and then enacted Jim Crow to keep them powerless....Republicans freed the slaves and fought to get them their rights...but keep lying...the days of being able to hide the truth are over...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Can someone explain that to me? How can they be members of this board and know absolutely nothing about American history? Especially after all the discussion?

Yeah...nice lie....confederates were democrats and no, they were not classical liberals. they wanted to preserve the institution of slavery...you guys lie by trying to equate modern conservatism to the racism of the democrats....,,nice try....

So Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis were racists who led the secession in order to preserve the atrocity of slavery...

 

[2aguy]

Can someone explain that to me? How can they be members of this board and know absolutely nothing about American history? Especially after all the discussion?

Yeah...nice lie....confederates were democrats and no, they were not classical liberals. they wanted to preserve the institution of slavery...you guys lie by trying to equate modern conservatism to the racism of the democrats....,,nice try....

So Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis were racists who led the secession in order to preserve the atrocity of slavery...

Yes........Robert e. lee supported his home state.....the fact that they supported slavery...and he fought for them makes him complicit in their practice.


Jefferson Davis was a democrat.....

 

[NYcarbineer]

Can someone explain that to me? How can they be members of this board and know absolutely nothing about American history? Especially after all the discussion?

Yeah...nice lie....confederates were democrats and no, they were not classical liberals. they wanted to preserve the institution of slavery...you guys lie by trying to equate modern conservatism to the racism of the democrats....,,nice try....

So Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis were racists who led the secession in order to preserve the atrocity of slavery...

Yes........Robert e. lee supported his home state.....the fact that they supported slavery...and he fought for them makes him complicit in their practice.


Jefferson Davis was a democrat.....

So was Lee, so it kind of ruins your retarded argument that Robert E. Lee's birthday is celebrated widely by Republican conservatives in the modern day South.

 

[2aguy]

That is a southern thing.......

 

[rdean]

The confederacy lasted about four years and ended about 150 years ago. The only people who talk about in a political sense are liberals who need to keep the issue alive in order to promote unrest and anger. Every mass shooter in modern history was a liberal in the true sense of the word regardless of what piece of cloth he waved in the past. You could probably find the jihad Army Major who massacred his Troops waving an Islamic flag but the liberal media isn't interested enough to look.

That's ridiculous. The Conservatives bring back confederate month.

GOP brings back confederate history month - Google Search

Don't be such a tard and say something you know is bullshit.

 

[rdean]

What we know is you don't know the difference between an 18th century liberal and a 21st century "Liberal".

There is none because both follow the same principles.

Liberal Define Liberal at Dictionary.com

liberal
adjective
1.
favorable to progress or reform, as in political orreligious affairs.
2.
(often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to apolitical party advocating measures of progressivepolitical reform.
3.
of, pertaining to, based on, or advocatingliberalism, especially the freedom of the individualand governmental guarantees of individual rightsand liberties.
4.
favorable to or in accord with concepts ofmaximum individual freedom possible, especiallyas guaranteed by law and secured bygovernmental protection of civil liberties.
5.
favoring or permitting freedom of action,especially with respect to matters of personalbelief or expression:
a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6.
of or relating to representational forms ofgovernment rather than aristocracies andmonarchies.
7.
free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant:
a liberal attitude toward foreigners.

I'd say that describes Robert (KKK) Byrd perfectly, LMAO.

Are you talking about some conservative who has been dead for years?

 

[OKTexas]

What we know is you don't know the difference between an 18th century liberal and a 21st century "Liberal".

There is none because both follow the same principles.

Liberal Define Liberal at Dictionary.com

liberal
adjective
1.
favorable to progress or reform, as in political orreligious affairs.
2.
(often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to apolitical party advocating measures of progressivepolitical reform.
3.
of, pertaining to, based on, or advocatingliberalism, especially the freedom of the individualand governmental guarantees of individual rightsand liberties.
4.
favorable to or in accord with concepts ofmaximum individual freedom possible, especiallyas guaranteed by law and secured bygovernmental protection of civil liberties.
5.
favoring or permitting freedom of action,especially with respect to matters of personalbelief or expression:
a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6.
of or relating to representational forms ofgovernment rather than aristocracies andmonarchies.
7.
free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant:
a liberal attitude toward foreigners.

I'd say that describes Robert (KKK) Byrd perfectly, LMAO.

Are you talking about some conservative who has been dead for years?

Right, a conservative, LMAO. How dare you call one of the icons of the commiecrat party a conservative. Byrd and LBJ were some of the biggest racist ever produced by the dems, now you can add your dear leader to the list.

 

[IsaacNewton]

You have to understand what 'conservatism' has become in the last 20-25 years. It is led by Faux News and Fish Dumbaugh. These two perpetuate every day big and little lies.

This is what modern conservatism is, the attempt to tell lies over and over and try to make them not only become truth but dogma.

The modern conservative movement is attempting to make lies a foundation to build a movement on. To build their world view on falsehood. And to recruit their base to accept and promote these lies as fact beyond reproach.

But lies are lies. Doesn't matter how many times you tell it. They only way for this type of ideology based on whisps of foul air to succeed is if the party putting forth the big lie to hold all power and all media.

Unfortunately in America they have only managaed to capture maybe 26% of the population. And it hasn't gone beyond that regardless of the money they spend. And this pisses of the likes of the Koch brothers no end. That they can't fool all of the people all of the time.

 

[Dragonlady]

Can someone explain that to me? How can they be members of this board and know absolutely nothing about American history? Especially after all the discussion?

They want to embrace all that is good as conservative.

Notice how they claim that Hitler was a liberal, JFK was a conservative, the Founding Fathers were conservatives, etc.

They're in denial of course.

 

[rdean]

What we know is you don't know the difference between an 18th century liberal and a 21st century "Liberal".

There is none because both follow the same principles.

Liberal Define Liberal at Dictionary.com

liberal
adjective
1.
favorable to progress or reform, as in political orreligious affairs.
2.
(often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to apolitical party advocating measures of progressivepolitical reform.
3.
of, pertaining to, based on, or advocatingliberalism, especially the freedom of the individualand governmental guarantees of individual rightsand liberties.
4.
favorable to or in accord with concepts ofmaximum individual freedom possible, especiallyas guaranteed by law and secured bygovernmental protection of civil liberties.
5.
favoring or permitting freedom of action,especially with respect to matters of personalbelief or expression:
a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6.
of or relating to representational forms ofgovernment rather than aristocracies andmonarchies.
7.
free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant:
a liberal attitude toward foreigners.

I'd say that describes Robert (KKK) Byrd perfectly, LMAO.

Are you talking about some conservative who has been dead for years?

Right, a conservative, LMAO. How dare you call one of the icons of the commiecrat party a conservative. Byrd and LBJ were some of the biggest racist ever produced by the dems, now you can add your dear leader to the list.

LBJ is called a racist because he has been charged with an unsubstantiated quote from some right winger with an agenda insisting LBJ said the N word. It's like taking Breitbart's word about something Obama supposedly said.
LBJ fought for black rights but secretly hated them. Uh, hello, knock knock. If you hate them, why fight for their rights? That only makes sense to ignorant and delusional right wingers. Which, of course, is most of them.

 

[Skylar]

Can someone explain that to me? How can they be members of this board and know absolutely nothing about American history? Especially after all the discussion?

Its pretty simple: its just generic bullshit conservatives tell each other. There doesn't have to be any rhyme or reason to it. If it makes them feel better to believe it, they will repeat it without much thought or question.

You're coming at this from the wrong point of view. You keep trying to make sense of it, thinking that this claim or that requires some rational basis. It really doesn't. You're dealing with an almost entirely feeling based perspective at this point.

There is a reason why GOP politics at this point is essentially a void in terms of policy positions. They've got nothing on a rational or intellectual basis. They have virtually no solution for any issue that ails this country. What they have is emotion. Which is motivates their arguments, and spawns their talking points.

 

[OKTexas]

What we know is you don't know the difference between an 18th century liberal and a 21st century "Liberal".

There is none because both follow the same principles.

Liberal Define Liberal at Dictionary.com

liberal
adjective
1.
favorable to progress or reform, as in political orreligious affairs.
2.
(often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to apolitical party advocating measures of progressivepolitical reform.
3.
of, pertaining to, based on, or advocatingliberalism, especially the freedom of the individualand governmental guarantees of individual rightsand liberties.
4.
favorable to or in accord with concepts ofmaximum individual freedom possible, especiallyas guaranteed by law and secured bygovernmental protection of civil liberties.
5.
favoring or permitting freedom of action,especially with respect to matters of personalbelief or expression:
a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6.
of or relating to representational forms ofgovernment rather than aristocracies andmonarchies.
7.
free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant:
a liberal attitude toward foreigners.

I'd say that describes Robert (KKK) Byrd perfectly, LMAO.

Are you talking about some conservative who has been dead for years?

Right, a conservative, LMAO. How dare you call one of the icons of the commiecrat party a conservative. Byrd and LBJ were some of the biggest racist ever produced by the dems, now you can add your dear leader to the list.

LBJ is called a racist because he has been charged with an unsubstantiated quote from some right winger with an agenda insisting LBJ said the N word. It's like taking Breitbart's word about something Obama supposedly said.
LBJ fought for black rights but secretly hated them. Uh, hello, knock knock. If you hate them, why fight for their rights? That only makes sense to ignorant and delusional right wingers. Which, of course, is most of them.

Lyndon Johnson opposed every civil rights proposal considered in his first 20 years as lawmaker

Lyndon Johnson opposed every civil rights proposal considered in his first 20 years as lawmaker PolitiFact Texas

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