why do Blacks use welfare at 6 times the rate of Whites?

[Xchel]

The number one root cause of poverty in the USA is starting out without enough money AT CHILDHOOD.

As BLACKS traditionally have now and have always been rather short of capital to raise themselves and their families out of poverty, we see this problem reverberating through one generation after the other.

I know that isn't what many of you want to believe, of course, but that is really the root cause of why Blacks are not prepared (as so many of their White neighbors are) to climb out of poverty.

Being poor changes the way you see opportunity because the opportunity that people with even a slight benefit have is NOT available to you and yours.

Shit, Mexicans come illegaly here from Mexico everyday without money and can't speak the language, and they are doing better then blacks.

Yes, they come without money and some of them can't speak the language, but I am not so sure that working 80-100 hrs a week for minimum wage or just a little more is actually fairing better than blacks.

 

[Tank]

If blacks were so strong, how were they enslaved so easliy?

by force

exactly...sounds like Tank needs to brush up on history a little and he is worrying about the why crap when he needs to focus on the more present stuff of equality. I have to wonder if Tank thinks that slavery should still be legal?

I don't think slavery should ever happen, but I understand why it did.

If all races of people are equal, blacks could never have been enslaved.

 

[IanC]

Seems like I heard somewhere that stats say that whites in america make 20X more money than Blacks.

I think you are confusing income with accumulated wealth. whites tend to put money into capital, blacks tend to spend all their income. having equity allows whites to take advantage of opportunities so the gap expands. this is also true at all income levels so it isnt just caused by lower average black earnings. whites also tend to invest in their children to a higher degree. it is the basic idea behind the fable 'the ant and the grasshopper'. it is a detriment to society for the competent ants to pay for the parasitic grasshoppers. why should people work hard to pay for those who are lazy?

 

[toxicmedia]

Seems like I heard somewhere that stats say that whites in america make 20X more money than Blacks.

I think you are confusing income with accumulated wealth. whites tend to put money into capital, blacks tend to spend all their income. having equity allows whites to take advantage of opportunities so the gap expands. this is also true at all income levels so it isnt just caused by lower average black earnings. whites also tend to invest in their children to a higher degree. it is the basic idea behind the fable 'the ant and the grasshopper'. it is a detriment to society for the competent ants to pay for the parasitic grasshoppers. why should people work hard to pay for those who are lazy?

What's your damage?.....have you been afraid of blacks?.....beaten up as a child?......been robed or assaulted by blacks?.....been passed over for a job due to affirmative action?......or just programmed by conservative media to think that welfare is a big part of our economic mess?......or are you a racist hick who learned hate from his daddy?....or a skinhead/KKK member?.......

.......why are you resentful towards blacks?.....and......do you think blacks are inferior?

 

[Moonglow]

by force

exactly...sounds like Tank needs to brush up on history a little and he is worrying about the why crap when he needs to focus on the more present stuff of equality. I have to wonder if Tank thinks that slavery should still be legal?

I don't think slavery should ever happen, but I understand why it did.

If all races of people are equal, blacks could never have been enslaved.

Wow, what logic

 

[IanC]

Seems like I heard somewhere that stats say that whites in america make 20X more money than Blacks.

I think you are confusing income with accumulated wealth. whites tend to put money into capital, blacks tend to spend all their income. having equity allows whites to take advantage of opportunities so the gap expands. this is also true at all income levels so it isnt just caused by lower average black earnings. whites also tend to invest in their children to a higher degree. it is the basic idea behind the fable 'the ant and the grasshopper'. it is a detriment to society for the competent ants to pay for the parasitic grasshoppers. why should people work hard to pay for those who are lazy?

What's your damage?.....have you been afraid of blacks?.....beaten up as a child?......been robed or assaulted by blacks?.....been passed over for a job due to affirmative action?......or just programmed by conservative media to think that welfare is a big part of our economic mess?......or are you a racist hick who learned hate from his daddy?....or a skinhead/KKK member?.......

.......why are you resentful towards blacks?.....and......do you think blacks are inferior?

why do you think its personal? I dont personally resent blacks, I personally resent parasites on society. I support helping people who actually improve with assistance. I just get pissed at those who only hold their hands out for charity and then get angry because they want to be given more. I personally resent those who claim their morality and individual standards are equal to mine but demand that I feed them, cure their sicknesses and raise their children. whatever the race. but I do think it is reasonable to point out that blacks are massively over represented in all negative social traits and they should at least try to change the dysfunctional aspects of black culture that lead to those behaviours. black kids are far behind in socialisation and thinking skills before they even get to school. and that is the fault of black parents.

of course I am talking averages, some blacks are smart and well behaved. dont bother bringing up individual stories of success because we are talking group averages.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Characteristics and Financial Circumstances - FY 2008

actually it is more than 6 times but that is nitpicking. why are blacks so vulnerable to being incapable of taking care of themselves? the numbers for using govt handout programs are even more skewed. why do so many blacks settle for a marginal parasitic lifestyle?

why do so many blacks fail to acquire lifeskills necessary for middleclass living? is it capability, substandard values and culture or is it just racism and lack of opportunity?

has affirmative action run into the brick wall of human capital? is it possible to drag more blacks into the middleclass by handing out more govt and AA jobs to underqualified minorities or have we reached the point of diminished returns?

The left has spent 50 years teaching them they are victims and have no responsibility for their selves.

 

[editec]

The American dream is the dream of social mobility.

It's not called A DREAM for nothing, ya know.

And as unlikely as that dream was, even in the best of times, upward social mobility is even less likely for our children's generation than it was for us, and FAR less likely for our children than it was for their grandfathers.

We can post all the rags to riches stories we like but the statistics show us that the American DREAM is mostly exactly that...a dream, not a reality.

 

[toxicmedia]

I think you are confusing income with accumulated wealth. whites tend to put money into capital, blacks tend to spend all their income. having equity allows whites to take advantage of opportunities so the gap expands. this is also true at all income levels so it isnt just caused by lower average black earnings. whites also tend to invest in their children to a higher degree. it is the basic idea behind the fable 'the ant and the grasshopper'. it is a detriment to society for the competent ants to pay for the parasitic grasshoppers. why should people work hard to pay for those who are lazy?

What's your damage?.....have you been afraid of blacks?.....beaten up as a child?......been robed or assaulted by blacks?.....been passed over for a job due to affirmative action?......or just programmed by conservative media to think that welfare is a big part of our economic mess?......or are you a racist hick who learned hate from his daddy?....or a skinhead/KKK member?.......

.......why are you resentful towards blacks?.....and......do you think blacks are inferior?

why do you think its personal? I dont personally resent blacks, I personally resent parasites on society. I support helping people who actually improve with assistance. I just get pissed at those who only hold their hands out for charity and then get angry because they want to be given more. I personally resent those who claim their morality and individual standards are equal to mine but demand that I feed them, cure their sicknesses and raise their children. whatever the race. but I do think it is reasonable to point out that blacks are massively over represented in all negative social traits and they should at least try to change the dysfunctional aspects of black culture that lead to those behaviours. black kids are far behind in socialisation and thinking skills before they even get to school. and that is the fault of black parents.

of course I am talking averages, some blacks are smart and well behaved. dont bother bringing up individual stories of success because we are talking group averages.

Negative social traits and the dysfunctional aspects of black culture were created by environmental conditions specific to the US between 1640-1970. African Europeans do not have dissproportianate wefare, illliteracy, infant mortality, and educational stats compared to other races. In Europe, middle eastern Europeans have the dissproportianate stats.

There is something about the process of stripping african American slaves of thier family identities, then denying them equal human rights, that caused the long term social disadvantages we see amongst blacks in the US...IMO The difference between other groups who came to America and were oppressed...like the Irish, Italians, and Asians for example...all retained thier family structure.

Where I do agree with you is how chronic welfare system manipulators need to be shut out, and that I why I oppose Democratic attempts to soften the Clinton welfare reforms and stand in the way of further reforms.

Thanks for the clarification as to why you created this thread. I take back anything that may have been insulting.

 

[IanC]

What's your damage?.....have you been afraid of blacks?.....beaten up as a child?......been robed or assaulted by blacks?.....been passed over for a job due to affirmative action?......or just programmed by conservative media to think that welfare is a big part of our economic mess?......or are you a racist hick who learned hate from his daddy?....or a skinhead/KKK member?.......

.......why are you resentful towards blacks?.....and......do you think blacks are inferior?

why do you think its personal? I dont personally resent blacks, I personally resent parasites on society. I support helping people who actually improve with assistance. I just get pissed at those who only hold their hands out for charity and then get angry because they want to be given more. I personally resent those who claim their morality and individual standards are equal to mine but demand that I feed them, cure their sicknesses and raise their children. whatever the race. but I do think it is reasonable to point out that blacks are massively over represented in all negative social traits and they should at least try to change the dysfunctional aspects of black culture that lead to those behaviours. black kids are far behind in socialisation and thinking skills before they even get to school. and that is the fault of black parents.

of course I am talking averages, some blacks are smart and well behaved. dont bother bringing up individual stories of success because we are talking group averages.

Negative social traits and the dysfunctional aspects of black culture were created by environmental conditions specific to the US between 1640-1970. African Europeans do not have dissproportianate wefare, illliteracy, infant mortality, and educational stats compared to other races. In Europe, middle eastern Europeans have the dissproportianate stats.

There is something about the process of stripping african American slaves of thier family identities, then denying them equal human rights, that caused the long term social disadvantages we see amongst blacks in the US...IMO The difference between other groups who came to America and were oppressed...like the Irish, Italians, and Asians for example...all retained thier family structure.

Where I do agree with you is how chronic welfare system manipulators need to be shut out, and that I why I oppose Democratic attempts to soften the Clinton welfare reforms and stand in the way of further reforms.

Thanks for the clarification as to why you created this thread. I take back anything that may have been insulting.

thanks for that last part. I enjoy playing Devil's Advocate but in reality I have retained a lot of 70's liberal attitudes. I just think we should carefully examine problems and the enacted 'solutions' to see if they are reflecting reality.

I think you may be wrong about africans in Europe. they are one of many minority groups that are having a difficult time assimilating into european culture. for instance, in France there are ghetto-like areas in many cities where the immigrants cannot or will not acquire the education and qualifications necessary to work in a highly technological society. many stop trying, and sit around on govt assistance harbouring a growing resentment against a lifestyle they have not attained. or the nordic countries that have sexual assaults that are almost completely commited by immigrants who think swedish girls deserve it because of how they dress and act. should the Swedes change their culture or should the immigrants adopt swedish values?

 

[racewright]

Characteristics and Financial Circumstances - FY 2008

actually it is more than 6 times but that is nitpicking. why are blacks so vulnerable to being incapable of taking care of themselves? the numbers for using govt handout programs are even more skewed. why do so many blacks settle for a marginal parasitic lifestyle?

why do so many blacks fail to acquire lifeskills necessary for middleclass living? is it capability, substandard values and culture or is it just racism and lack of opportunity?

has affirmative action run into the brick wall of human capital? is it possible to drag more blacks into the middleclass by handing out more govt and AA jobs to underqualified minorities or have we reached the point of diminished returns?

This is caused by long term social disadvatnges typical of demographic groups that start out enslaved then are discriminated against and disempowered by their former masters.

It's the same all over the world with demographics of similar experience.

Then how is it they can play ball and sing so gooooooood

 

[High_Gravity]

The number one root cause of poverty in the USA is starting out without enough money AT CHILDHOOD.

As BLACKS traditionally have now and have always been rather short of capital to raise themselves and their families out of poverty, we see this problem reverberating through one generation after the other.

I know that isn't what many of you want to believe, of course, but that is really the root cause of why Blacks are not prepared (as so many of their White neighbors are) to climb out of poverty.

Being poor changes the way you see opportunity because the opportunity that people with even a slight benefit have is NOT available to you and yours.

Shit, Mexicans come illegaly here from Mexico everyday without money and can't speak the language, and they are doing better then blacks.

How do you figure that?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Characteristics and Financial Circumstances - FY 2008

actually it is more than 6 times but that is nitpicking. why are blacks so vulnerable to being incapable of taking care of themselves? the numbers for using govt handout programs are even more skewed. why do so many blacks settle for a marginal parasitic lifestyle?

why do so many blacks fail to acquire lifeskills necessary for middleclass living? is it capability, substandard values and culture or is it just racism and lack of opportunity?

has affirmative action run into the brick wall of human capital? is it possible to drag more blacks into the middleclass by handing out more govt and AA jobs to underqualified minorities or have we reached the point of diminished returns?

Because they're smarter than whites?

 

[IanC]

Characteristics and Financial Circumstances - FY 2008

actually it is more than 6 times but that is nitpicking. why are blacks so vulnerable to being incapable of taking care of themselves? the numbers for using govt handout programs are even more skewed. why do so many blacks settle for a marginal parasitic lifestyle?

why do so many blacks fail to acquire lifeskills necessary for middleclass living? is it capability, substandard values and culture or is it just racism and lack of opportunity?

has affirmative action run into the brick wall of human capital? is it possible to drag more blacks into the middleclass by handing out more govt and AA jobs to underqualified minorities or have we reached the point of diminished returns?

Because they're smarter than whites?

indeed there are people who will settle for less because it is free rather than put in the work and effort to have more. whether that is 'smarter' is a good topic for debate. how many freeloaders can society support before it collapses?

 

[Tank]

The number one root cause of poverty in the USA is starting out without enough money AT CHILDHOOD.

As BLACKS traditionally have now and have always been rather short of capital to raise themselves and their families out of poverty, we see this problem reverberating through one generation after the other.

I know that isn't what many of you want to believe, of course, but that is really the root cause of why Blacks are not prepared (as so many of their White neighbors are) to climb out of poverty.

Being poor changes the way you see opportunity because the opportunity that people with even a slight benefit have is NOT available to you and yours.

Shit, Mexicans come illegaly here from Mexico everyday without money and can't speak the language, and they are doing better then blacks.

How do you figure that?

Unemployment, prison populations, dropouts.......

 

[racewright]

If all races started on a level playing field than the blacks are last to develop there skills other than physical. Reason and cause for slavery.

Oh just a few more facts,racism is not illegal just not nice,Abe Lincoln was a republican.

If the Blacks do not like the way there share of America is then why have they been Voting for the Democrats for the last 40 years.

If Obama is going to prove anything it will be that the politicans only make things worse with inabling people. Your piece of American is there and you have to work for it not expect it to be handed to you.

 

[toxicmedia]

why do you think its personal? I dont personally resent blacks, I personally resent parasites on society. I support helping people who actually improve with assistance. I just get pissed at those who only hold their hands out for charity and then get angry because they want to be given more. I personally resent those who claim their morality and individual standards are equal to mine but demand that I feed them, cure their sicknesses and raise their children. whatever the race. but I do think it is reasonable to point out that blacks are massively over represented in all negative social traits and they should at least try to change the dysfunctional aspects of black culture that lead to those behaviours. black kids are far behind in socialisation and thinking skills before they even get to school. and that is the fault of black parents.

of course I am talking averages, some blacks are smart and well behaved. dont bother bringing up individual stories of success because we are talking group averages.

Negative social traits and the dysfunctional aspects of black culture were created by environmental conditions specific to the US between 1640-1970. African Europeans do not have dissproportianate wefare, illliteracy, infant mortality, and educational stats compared to other races. In Europe, middle eastern Europeans have the dissproportianate stats.

There is something about the process of stripping african American slaves of thier family identities, then denying them equal human rights, that caused the long term social disadvantages we see amongst blacks in the US...IMO The difference between other groups who came to America and were oppressed...like the Irish, Italians, and Asians for example...all retained thier family structure.

Where I do agree with you is how chronic welfare system manipulators need to be shut out, and that I why I oppose Democratic attempts to soften the Clinton welfare reforms and stand in the way of further reforms.

Thanks for the clarification as to why you created this thread. I take back anything that may have been insulting.

thanks for that last part. I enjoy playing Devil's Advocate but in reality I have retained a lot of 70's liberal attitudes. I just think we should carefully examine problems and the enacted 'solutions' to see if they are reflecting reality.

I think you may be wrong about africans in Europe. they are one of many minority groups that are having a difficult time assimilating into european culture. for instance, in France there are ghetto-like areas in many cities where the immigrants cannot or will not acquire the education and qualifications necessary to work in a highly technological society. many stop trying, and sit around on govt assistance harbouring a growing resentment against a lifestyle they have not attained. or the nordic countries that have sexual assaults that are almost completely commited by immigrants who think swedish girls deserve it because of how they dress and act. should the Swedes change their culture or should the immigrants adopt swedish values?

My only experience with African Europeans were German and British AEs'. This same subject actualy came up when I was speaking with British AE freinds of mine in Reading in the UK. I was told AE's in Europe don't share the long term social disadvantages that African Americans did, and still do. Europe abandoned slavery...IN Europe...long before Americans did. Now you've got my cusriosity going....think I'll google me up some European crime stats by race if I can find them.

If Republicans get their way...and do away with public education in the US...we're going to have the majority of our society unable to acquire the education and qualifications necessary to work in a highly technological society.

I thought Swedish immigration was mostly middle eastern?.....once again....my curiosity.

EDIT>>>>>>>>>>>..........check this out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...esh-light-on-link-between-crime-and-race.html

 

[toxicmedia]

If all races started on a level playing field than the blacks are last to develop there skills other than physical. Reason and cause for slavery.

Oh just a few more facts,racism is not illegal just not nice,Abe Lincoln was a republican.

If the Blacks do not like the way there share of America is then why have they been Voting for the Democrats for the last 40 years.

If Obama is going to prove anything it will be that the politicans only make things worse with inabling people. Your piece of American is there and you have to work for it not expect it to be handed to you.

Blacks were selectively bred from about 1700-1850. Slave owners/traders would use big strong men as studs, to create a more profitable product. Blacks did not develop "their physical skills", per se, in a way that would allow them to become compenetent at sports.

As for the whole singing/music thing.....I don't see blacks as superior performers.

Blacks vote Democratic because too many Republicans are white southern and midwestern Christian conservatives.....basically the sons and daughters of former segregationists and KKK folks. I don't blame them for not being Republican

 

[domonkoz]

should explain it a bit for ya champ.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

If the Blacks do not like the way there share of America is then why have they been Voting for the Democrats for the last 40 years.

Because the bigots quit the Democratic Party after the Civil Rights Act and joined the Republican party.