Why do Americans want European style Entitlements?

[Swagger]

Ha Ha! Indeed they do. A six pack of lager (baring in mind that beer in Europe is stronger than in the US, and of a much higher standard - no offence) in the UK - where alcohol is the cheapest in Western Europe - is £4-5. A twenty deck of decent smokes is very expensive. Roughly £6-7. Though I smoke rolling tobacco, which, at £3.50 for half an ounce of decent shag (my personal choice is Cutter's Choice), works out at around 20 to 30 hand-rolled cigarettes.

Oh I believe you, most beers in the US are of lower alcohol content than overseas besides some of the malt liquors. 6-7 pounds for a pack of smokes? yikes, for some reason I thought it might be cheaper, I'm paying almost 6 bucks now for a pack of Newport's.

Norway: 20 marlboros: 12$
Norway: 6 budweisers: 25$
Norway: 1 gallon gas: 10$

Not cheap..........

Jesus! Are you being serious? If that's the case, I'd seriously consider brewing your own.

 

[JStone]

Norway: 20 marlboros: 12$
Norway: 6 budweisers: 25$
Norway: 1 gallon gas: 10$

Not cheap..........

6 budweisers for $25? fuck that.

See this is exactly my point American's, Entitlements cost way too much.
Obama is going the way of European Entiltlements.

Americans have neither hope nor change.

 

[peach174]

6 budweisers for $25? fuck that.

See this is exactly my point American's, Entitlements cost way too much.
Obama is going the way of European Entitlements.

Americans have neither hope nor change.

Sure we do.
We have an election coming in Nov. and this is why I made this thread.
Re elect Obama we will go towards the way of Norway 6 buds for 25.00
Elect Romney and more republicans in the house and senate, we will get entitlement reforms.
If they don't do it, elect independents in two years and keep electing independents.
In other words never elect Dem's and Repub's again.

 

[High_Gravity]

Oh I believe you, most beers in the US are of lower alcohol content than overseas besides some of the malt liquors. 6-7 pounds for a pack of smokes? yikes, for some reason I thought it might be cheaper, I'm paying almost 6 bucks now for a pack of Newport's.

Norway: 20 marlboros: 12$
Norway: 6 budweisers: 25$
Norway: 1 gallon gas: 10$

Not cheap..........

Jesus! Are you being serious? If that's the case, I'd seriously consider brewing your own.

No shit or get started on some bath tub gin.

 

[High_Gravity]

See this is exactly my point American's, Entitlements cost way too much.
Obama is going the way of European Entitlements.

Americans have neither hope nor change.

Sure we do.
We have an election coming in Nov. and this is why I made this thread.
Re elect Obama we will go towards the way of Norway 6 buds for 25.00
Elect Romney and more republicans in the house and senate, we will get entitlement reforms.
If they don't do it, elect independents in two years and keep electing independents.
In other words never elect Dem's and Repub's again.

If we are going to seriously charge $25 for 6 Buds I am seriously going to look into moving overseas.

 

[peach174]

My point was, not exactly 25 bucks for a 6 pack, but prices will get really high if we re elect Obama.
He is for government doing everything and when government does everything prices in all things go up.

 

[Ariux]

It can be quite stimmulating living in Europe. We're actually encouraged to think for ourselves and not believe everything the television tells us.

That sounds like bullshit. When Socialists tell you to "think for yourselves", they're teaching you to be critical of everyone who doesn't agree with the socialists. "Your mom and dad believe in a god. But think for yourselves... A Belief in gods is a superstition."

 

[California Girl]

Do most Americans have any idea what it is like to live in Europe?
Due to Entitlements they have Basic comfort but the trade off is atrocious.
High prices on everything from gas, to food, to clothes and housing and products.

Living with basic comfort gives you no innovation,no ambition,no desire to achieve and when you get the idea in your head to achieve, the gov. treats you with drugs to tamper the urger's down.
There is no competition and you are always discouraged.
It is very boring to live in Europe.

The living conditions there are horrible.

They have small living spaces with no closets, no bathroom cabinets.
They have no clothes dryer, why? Because of the cost in energy, no space to put one and it's not enviro friendly.
They dry their clothes inside their small apartments most of the time because of the weather and it takes 10 hours for them to dry.
They have no carpets, just rugs
They have small refrigerators like the ones used in college dorms.
They have no A/C or ice makers.
The plumbing sucks.
They have no screens on their windows because their windows can swing 360 degrees.
Bugs fly into your place.
This is the results for being taken care of by the government.

Why would any American want to live this way?
Freedom is much better than government taking care of you from cradle to grave.

Clearly you have never been to Europe.... while I agree with your comment about the trade off between high prices and entitlements... the majority of the rest of your post is, sadly, complete fucking bullshit.

Once again CG, I am not talking about England.
I am talking about Sweden, Norway,Germany. etc. and I'm talking about apartments (flats) not homes.
So you just called my neighbors mother who is from Sweden a lier? Got news for you, she isn't a lier. She has no reason to lie.

Unlike you, I have been to many European countries... including Sweden and Germany. I don't call someone I don't know a liar (it's liar, not lier, just so you know).... but setting your opinion of the whole of Europe on the view of one individual from one country is more than a tad ridiculous.

I've had European friends who have said to me that they 'hate' America based on a two week vacation in Miami. Does Miami represent the whole of the United States? No. Clearly, that person is a prat... and, by your OP, so are you.

 

[High_Gravity]

Clearly you have never been to Europe.... while I agree with your comment about the trade off between high prices and entitlements... the majority of the rest of your post is, sadly, complete fucking bullshit.

Once again CG, I am not talking about England.
I am talking about Sweden, Norway,Germany. etc. and I'm talking about apartments (flats) not homes.
So you just called my neighbors mother who is from Sweden a lier? Got news for you, she isn't a lier. She has no reason to lie.

Unlike you, I have been to many European countries... including Sweden and Germany. I don't call someone I don't know a liar (it's liar, not lier, just so you know).... but setting your opinion of the whole of Europe on the view of one individual from one country is more than a tad ridiculous.

I've had European friends who have said to me that they 'hate' America based on a two week vacation in Miami. Does Miami represent the whole of the United States? No. Clearly, that person is a prat... and, by your OP, so are you.

Really? Miami is quite nice!

 

[Katzndogz]

I like to watch shows from other countries. A lot of the time shows that feature people looking to buy homes in Europe. I'm continually surprised at what Europeans and Asians consider luxury. Or even acceptable. The only thing they insist on that we don't have is a bidet.

 

[peach174]

Clearly you have never been to Europe.... while I agree with your comment about the trade off between high prices and entitlements... the majority of the rest of your post is, sadly, complete fucking bullshit.

Once again CG, I am not talking about England.
I am talking about Sweden, Norway,Germany. etc. and I'm talking about apartments (flats) not homes.
So you just called my neighbors mother who is from Sweden a lier? Got news for you, she isn't a lier. She has no reason to lie.

Unlike you, I have been to many European countries... including Sweden and Germany. I don't call someone I don't know a liar (it's liar, not lier, just so you know).... but setting your opinion of the whole of Europe on the view of one individual from one country is more than a tad ridiculous.

I've had European friends who have said to me that they 'hate' America based on a two week vacation in Miami. Does Miami represent the whole of the United States? No. Clearly, that person is a prat... and, by your OP, so are you.

Picking on my spelling and ignoring the point of what I said about the basic part of how boring it is to live in countries that take care of you with entitlements is not ridiculous. And it's not one person, it is many who have said the same thing who moved here from Europe.
I never said one word about Hate.
It's about the expense of government entitlements and taxes and how expensive gas, food and everything else is.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I like to watch shows from other countries. A lot of the time shows that feature people looking to buy homes in Europe. I'm continually surprised at what Europeans and Asians consider luxury. Or even acceptable. The only thing they insist on that we don't have is a bidet.

Those smelly Europeans don't shower every day so they need a bidet.

 

[starcraftzzz]

I'm not too familiar about the healthcare situation in Europe, so I'll take your word for it.

You're not familiar with anything

 

[starcraftzzz]

Interesting thing about Healthcare, and everything else for that matter, is that you get what you pay for.

The survival term for cancer patients is about twice as long in the USA as it is in Europe with Socialized Medicine.

Result? When a guy like a Prince From Saudi Arabia who is interested only in quality of care needs treatment, he flies to the USA instead of Finland.

Do you really think a guy who could go anywhere and can afford to pay anything would intentionally go to the less than best provider when his life depends on it?

Can you do something other then cherry pick?

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/Shea_hltsysperformanceselectednations_chartpack.pdf
Core Health Indicators
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34175_20070917.pdf
OECD Health Data 2011 - Frequently Requested Data
==Academic standards show America has worse healthcare then other countries.
USA compared to government health care. (all statistics are per capita).
Where America is worse.
1) America has 50% more Medical errors.
2) America is worst in preventable deaths. If America was like government health care 200,000 people would be saved a year.
3) America has 2 million more medical bankruptcies compared to 0.
4) America has 26% less doctors.
5) America has 4% less nurses.
6) America has 46% less hospital beds.
7) America saw half the life expectancy change than countries who changed to government health care.
8) Infant mortality rates are 17% higher in America.
9) America has 100% less Psychiatric care beds.
10) America has 20% less people who go to hospitals.
11) America has 26% more years of life lost due to medical reasons.
12) America has 40% more Respiratory deaths
13) US Tuberculosis treatment success is 10% less
14) 50% more infant deaths
15) 30% more asthma deaths
16) 40% more years lost due to medical conditions
17) 100% more diabetes deaths
15) 50% more deaths by children taken to a hospital for a medical reason
16) Americans are 160% more likely not to get wanted health services
17) Americans are more likely to have to wait for health care
18) Americans are 20% less likely to get n job they want because of fears of losing health care
19) 2million Americans go bankrupt every year due to health costs compared to 0 for the OCED

 

[starcraftzzz]

Due to Entitlements they have Basic comfort but the trade off is atrocious.
High prices on everything from gas, to food, to clothes and housing and products.

Yet when you don't cherry pick overall they consume 36% more then we do.

Living with basic comfort gives you no innovation,no ambition,no desire to achieve and when you get the idea in your head to achieve, the gov. treats you with drugs to tamper the urger's down.

So your saying everyone should be poor so that they are some desire.
Meaning according to you Africa is awesome.

There is no competition and you are always discouraged.

Who would of thought that when Europeans play soccer against each other they are not competing

It is very boring to live in Europe.

Yep watching TV, playing sports, reading and playing video games are boring in Europe because what makes those things fun are the continents you live on

The living conditions there are horrible.

So them being able to buy 36% more then what Americans can means they have shitty living conditions.
Furthermore you already told us that shitting living conditions are good because it makes you want to get better.

They have small living spaces with no closets, no bathroom cabinets.

They don't? How do you know?

They have no clothes dryer, why? Because of the cost in energy,

Energy costs are lower in Europe so following your logic Americans dont have dryers either!

They have no carpets, just rugs

Rugs are carpets dumbass

They have no A/C or ice makers.

Is that because Europe has not invented those things?

This is the results for being taken care of by the government.

So according to you being taken care off makes means your living standards are bad.
According to you being taken care of means you can't make ice or have closets..
ROTFL

Why would any American want to live this way?
Freedom is much better than government taking care of you from cradle to grave.

Your whole post has shown that you are a retard

It says that some don't know what freedom is.

We had a guy from Sweden, here on the board recently and he wants to move here because he says life if so boring there in Sweden.

So according to you freedom equals excitement. Meaning you are illiterate

 

[peach174]

Not what I said at all.
I'm sorry if you can not comprehend basic reading.
I don't want anyone to be poor, I want the poor in America to rise out of poverty like they did during President Coolidge term and less government is how it's done.

The American people were the beneficiaries of the unprecedented prosperity of the 1920's. Unemployment was pared from its high in 1921 of 20% to an average of 3.3% for the remainder of the decade. The misery index which is a combination of unemployment and inflation had its sharpest decline in U.S. history under President Harding. The Gross National Product averaged 7% from 1924 to 1929. Wages, profits, and productivity all made substantial gains during the 1920's. Harding slashed federal spending by two billion from Wilson's last year and Coolidge maintained that spending level of 3.3 billion per year for the rest of the decade. The Harding-Coolidge tax cuts produced increased revenue that went to cut the national debt left by Wilson by one-third.
The Dem's have a real problem with this fact. It worked for Harding and Coolidge and Regan.

 

[peach174]

Due to Entitlements they have Basic comfort but the trade off is atrocious.
High prices on everything from gas, to food, to clothes and housing and products.

Yet when you don't cherry pick overall they consume 36% more then we do.

Living with basic comfort gives you no innovation,no ambition,no desire to achieve and when you get the idea in your head to achieve, the gov. treats you with drugs to tamper the urger's down.

So your saying everyone should be poor so that they are some desire.
Meaning according to you Africa is awesome.


Who would of thought that when Europeans play soccer against each other they are not competing


Yep watching TV, playing sports, reading and playing video games are boring in Europe because what makes those things fun are the continents you live on

So them being able to buy 36% more then what Americans can means they have shitty living conditions.
Furthermore you already told us that shitting living conditions are good because it makes you want to get better.

They don't? How do you know?


Energy costs are lower in Europe so following your logic Americans dont have dryers either!


Rugs are carpets dumbass


Is that because Europe has not invented those things?


So according to you being taken care off makes means your living standards are bad.
According to you being taken care of means you can't make ice or have closets..
ROTFL

Why would any American want to live this way?
Freedom is much better than government taking care of you from cradle to grave.

Your whole post has shown that you are a retard

[

quote=peach174;5291681]It says that some don't know what freedom is.

We had a guy from Sweden, here on the board recently and he wants to move here because he says life if so boring there in Sweden.

So according to you freedom equals excitement. Meaning you are illiterate

[/QUOTE]

Nope not what I said at all.
What I said is freedom from Gov. equals dreams and aspirations (not excitement), to think big and dream big. That when you arrive on American shores you can make it here in anything you strive to do.

 

[starcraftzzz]

Not what I said at all.
I'm sorry if you can not comprehend basic reading.

You saying stupid shit does not mean others cant read it means you said stupid shit. Have the balls to take responsibility for what you say.

I don't want anyone to be poor, I want the poor in America to rise out of poverty like they did during President Coolidge term and less government is how it's done.

So you don't want anyone to be poor but you advocate for policies that make them poor and poorer... Is it because you're an ass hole then?

The American people were the beneficiaries of the unprecedented prosperity of the 1920's. Unemployment was pared from its high in 1921 of 20% to an average of 3.3% for the remainder of the decade. The misery index which is a combination of unemployment and inflation had its sharpest decline in U.S. history under President Harding. The Gross National Product averaged 7% from 1924 to 1929. Wages, profits, and productivity all made substantial gains during the 1920's. Harding slashed federal spending by two billion from Wilson's last year and Coolidge maintained that spending level of 3.3 billion per year for the rest of the decade. The Harding-Coolidge tax cuts produced increased revenue that went to cut the national debt left by Wilson by one-third.
The Dem's have a real problem with this fact. It worked for Harding and Coolidge and Regan.

Jesus Christs nice of you to be so stupid to forget the years 1929-1934.

 

[starcraftzzz]

Due to Entitlements they have Basic comfort but the trade off is atrocious.
High prices on everything from gas, to food, to clothes and housing and products.

Yet when you don't cherry pick overall they consume 36% more then we do.


So your saying everyone should be poor so that they are some desire.
Meaning according to you Africa is awesome.


Who would of thought that when Europeans play soccer against each other they are not competing


Yep watching TV, playing sports, reading and playing video games are boring in Europe because what makes those things fun are the continents you live on

So them being able to buy 36% more then what Americans can means they have shitty living conditions.
Furthermore you already told us that shitting living conditions are good because it makes you want to get better.

They don't? How do you know?


Energy costs are lower in Europe so following your logic Americans dont have dryers either!


Rugs are carpets dumbass


Is that because Europe has not invented those things?


So according to you being taken care off makes means your living standards are bad.
According to you being taken care of means you can't make ice or have closets..
ROTFL

Your whole post has shown that you are a retard


Nope not what I said at all.
What I said is freedom from Gov. equals dreams and aspirations (not excitement), to think big and dream big. That when you arrive on American shores you can make it here in anything you strive to do.

I quote, "It says that some don't know what freedom is.

We had a guy from Sweden, here on the board recently and he wants to move here "

Furthermore as state more Europeans reach their dreams then Americans. So clearly if you really thought dreams were good to reach you'd want to be more like Europe

 

[Unkotare]

I like to watch shows from other countries. A lot of the time shows that feature people looking to buy homes in Europe. I'm continually surprised at what Europeans and Asians consider luxury. Or even acceptable.

Probably because you are too ignorant to understand what you're looking at.