Why do AGW deniers exist in America?

[Wyatt earp]

Why do deniers exist here in America?

1. We are critical thinkers, we question why, we question authority, we didn't invent thousands of products for nothing.

2. Most of us have been following this story since the 1970s and witnessed the continue name change by the bumbling AGW cult .

3. We all studied ice age and stuff in the 2nd grade

4. We understand the Earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old not around 140 years old when official temperature records were kept, even then places like Alaska didn't start till the 1950s ...so we don't believe the hype of warmest or coldest day ever.

5. We understand stand technology and human behaviors when it came to temperature equipment and record keeping...how in the world could anyone think they could splice together proxies with thermometers, analog and new age digital equipment and think they could say for a fact the earth warmed up a 0.8 C since 1880 is beyond us.

Oceans accurate temperature's it's even worse.. we have a little GB ship that set sailed around the world in the late 1800s to compare our data with, then 1940s submarine temperatures and the like untill we got presice with ARGO bouys starting In the early 2000s

6. We understand the politics of it, with the likes of the Naomi Kliens of the world and her saying climate change is about "social economic change" (remember she was/is an advisor to the pope)

Or:

Maurice Strong, who organized the first U.N. Earth Climate Summit (1992) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil revealed the real goal: “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be forindustrialized civilization to collapse.”


Or former Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick, who then headed the policy divisions of the U.S. State Department
A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”

In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

a 1996 publication “The Holocene”, by T.P. Barnett, B.D. Santer, P.D. Jones, R.S. Bradley and K.R. Briffa, says this: “Estimates of…natural variability are critical to the problem of detecting an anthropogenic [human] signal…We have estimated the spectrum…from paleo-temperature proxies and compared it with…general [climate] circulation models…none of the three estimates of the natural variability spectrum agree with each other…Until…resolved, it will be hard to say, with confidence, that an anthropogenic climate signal has or has not been detected


7. We understand from testimonies from the likes of Judith Curry vs. Michael Mann to Congress on how much the climate science really does not know how much is man made and how much is it natural variation

8. We understand about governmentfunding and how grants work like with Harvard's climate department sharing it grant monies with it's liberal arts department



Climate Change Research Grants | US EPA

We understand how the fossil fuels also fund the univerties

http://energydesk.greenpeace.org/20...-fossil-fuel-giants-despite-divestment-drive/


I could go on and on but most importantly what is more preferable a warming planet or a ice planet .??

Please discuss...

 

[fncceo]

Something kind of appealing about an ice planet ...

 

[Siete]

Why do deniers exist here in America?

1. We are critical thinkers, we question why, we question authority, we didn't invent thousands of products for nothing.

2. Most of us have been following this story since the 1970s and witnessed the continue name change by the bumbling AGW cult .

3. We all studied ice age and stuff in the 2nd grade

4. We understand the Earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old not around 140 years old when official temperature records were kept, even then places like Alaska didn't start till the 1950s ...so we don't believe the hype of warmest or coldest day ever.

5. We understand stand technology and human behaviors when it came to temperature equipment and record keeping...how in the world could anyone think they could splice together proxies with thermometers, analog and new age digital equipment and think they could say for a fact the earth warmed up a 0.8 C since 1880 is beyond us.

Oceans accurate temperature's it's even worse.. we have a little GB ship that set sailed around the world in the late 1800s to compare our data with, then 1940s submarine temperatures and the like untill we got presice with ARGO bouys starting In the early 2000s

6. We understand the politics of it, with the likes of the Naomi Kliens of the world and her saying climate change is about "social economic change" (remember she was/is an advisor to the pope)

Or:

Maurice Strong, who organized the first U.N. Earth Climate Summit (1992) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil revealed the real goal: “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be forindustrialized civilization to collapse.”


Or former Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick, who then headed the policy divisions of the U.S. State Department
A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”

In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

a 1996 publication “The Holocene”, by T.P. Barnett, B.D. Santer, P.D. Jones, R.S. Bradley and K.R. Briffa, says this: “Estimates of…natural variability are critical to the problem of detecting an anthropogenic [human] signal…We have estimated the spectrum…from paleo-temperature proxies and compared it with…general [climate] circulation models…none of the three estimates of the natural variability spectrum agree with each other…Until…resolved, it will be hard to say, with confidence, that an anthropogenic climate signal has or has not been detected


7. We understand from testimonies from the likes of Judith Curry vs. Michael Mann to Congress on how much the climate science really does not know how much is man made and how much is it natural variation

8. We understand about governmentfunding and how grants work like with Harvard's climate department sharing it grant monies with it's liberal arts department



Climate Change Research Grants | US EPA

We understand how the fossil fuels also fund the univerties

http://energydesk.greenpeace.org/20...-fossil-fuel-giants-despite-divestment-drive/


I could go on and on but most importantly what is more preferable a warming planet or a ice planet .??

Please discuss...

we ?

at least you admit your pockets are full of rats.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The better question is why you fuckers can't get any scientists to join you.

 

[K9Buck]

There's lots of reason$$$$$$$$$$$ to support man-made climate change theories.

 

[fncceo]

The better question is why you fuckers can't get any scientists to join you.

Actually, there are many scientists and climatologists who are skeptical of the predictions and models and even the role carbon plays in what is essentially a process going on for dozens of millennia.

What we REALLY need on our side is more celebrities.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The better question is why you fuckers can't get any scientists to join you.

Actually, there are many scientists and climatologists who are skeptical of the predictions and models and even the role carbon plays in what is essentially a process going on for dozens of millennia.

What we REALLY need on our side is more celebrities.

Nope. Sorry.

 

[Muhammed]

The better question is why you fuckers can't get any scientists to join you.

I'm a climate scientist and I know that the CAGW scare is nothing but bullshit.

 

[Norman]

Among other things, it's a Paris based scam.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Why do AGW deniers exist in America?

...Because not all people capable of sound reasoning exist outside the U.S.

 

[mamooth]

Please discuss...

That was a Gish gallup of conspiracy nonsense, all debunked many times before.

Denialism isn't the actual cult. Right wing kook fringe politics is the cult. Denialism is just one of the many deranged conspiracy theories that compose the cult HolyScripture.

Without exception, every denier on this board is a member of that right wing kook fringe cult. They are classic authoritarian followers, humans with a low fear tolerance who crave strong daddy-figures to protect them from what terrifies them, which would be nearly everything.

In contrast, the good science crosses all political boundaries all across the world, because it's actual science, the direct opposite of denier political conspiracy theories.

 

[IanC]

The better question is why you fuckers can't get any scientists to join you.

Actually, there are many scientists and climatologists who are skeptical of the predictions and models and even the role carbon plays in what is essentially a process going on for dozens of millennia.

What we REALLY need on our side is more celebrities.

That is both very funny and incredibly sad at the same time.

When physicists like Dyson and Teller (father of the H bomb) say the current explanations and exaggerations of CAGW are wrong, no one hears or listens. But if Decaprio tweets something, it has an audience of millions.

 

[Old Rocks]

The better question is why you fuckers can't get any scientists to join you.

I'm a climate scientist and I know that the CAGW scare is nothing but bullshit.

I'm Napoleon, and you are not a climate scientist. LOL About the fourth asshole to claim scientific credentials that his posts prove he does not have.

 

[Old Rocks]

The better question is why you fuckers can't get any scientists to join you.

Actually, there are many scientists and climatologists who are skeptical of the predictions and models and even the role carbon plays in what is essentially a process going on for dozens of millennia.

What we REALLY need on our side is more celebrities.

That is both very funny and incredibly sad at the same time.

When physicists like Dyson and Teller (father of the H bomb) say the current explanations and exaggerations of CAGW are wrong, no one hears or listens. But if Decaprio tweets something, it has an audience of millions.

Tell that to the Arctic Sea Ice and the alpine glaciers. Tell it to the absorption spectra of the GHG's. As far as actors and celebraties go, show where I have ever quoted one of them for evidence. But I see quotes from Monkton and other frauds posted by the "Conservatives" all the time. Hell, sometimes they even post quotes from an obese junkie on the AM radio as evidence.

 

[skookerasbil]

Exist? LOL......climate deniers are winning by every observable measure, in fact, its a rout!!

How about........the AGW folks STILL have not made their case.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/more-proof-the-skeptics-are-winning.313851/

534 pages...........5,320 posts.........217,000 "views"......about 4 billion links


Who's not winning?

 

[skookerasbil]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/01/congresss-long-history-of-inaction-on-climate-change-in-6-parts/?utm_term=.b04023ea57df

= in the real world, the AGW k00ks are losing. And this link from 2015..........meanwhile Trump is absolutely and laughably slaughtering the EPA. Most important, renewable energy will still be fringe 3 decades from now!! Oh....and the voters don't give a shit come election day.





So s0ns.....where is the winning in the real world?


Links would be nice btw...........

 

[skookerasbil]

"The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome,
premier environmental think-tank,
consultants to the United Nations

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"We need to get some broad based support,
to capture the public's imagination...
So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements
and make little mention of any doubts...
Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest."
- Prof. Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"We've got to ride this global warming issue.
Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
we will be doing the right thing in terms of
economic and environmental policy."
- Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The data doesn't matter. We're not basing our recommendations
on the data. We're basing them on the climate models.”
- Prof. Chris Folland,
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The models are convenient fictions
that provide something very useful.”
- Dr David Frame,
climate modeler, Oxford University

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts
on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience."
- Al Gore,
Climate Change activist

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It doesn't matter what is true,
it only matters what people believe is true."
- Paul Watson,
co-founder of Greenpeace

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"The only way to get our society to truly change is to
frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe."
- emeritus professor Daniel Botkin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and
spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our greatest
opportunity to lift Global Consciousness to a higher level."
- Al Gore,

The Green Agenda


As Ive said in the past.......progressives have a ton of issues trying to connect the dots in any thinking exercise.

 

[PredFan]

Why do deniers exist here in America?

1. We are critical thinkers, we question why, we question authority, we didn't invent thousands of products for nothing.

2. Most of us have been following this story since the 1970s and witnessed the continue name change by the bumbling AGW cult .

3. We all studied ice age and stuff in the 2nd grade

4. We understand the Earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old not around 140 years old when official temperature records were kept, even then places like Alaska didn't start till the 1950s ...so we don't believe the hype of warmest or coldest day ever.

5. We understand stand technology and human behaviors when it came to temperature equipment and record keeping...how in the world could anyone think they could splice together proxies with thermometers, analog and new age digital equipment and think they could say for a fact the earth warmed up a 0.8 C since 1880 is beyond us.

Oceans accurate temperature's it's even worse.. we have a little GB ship that set sailed around the world in the late 1800s to compare our data with, then 1940s submarine temperatures and the like untill we got presice with ARGO bouys starting In the early 2000s

6. We understand the politics of it, with the likes of the Naomi Kliens of the world and her saying climate change is about "social economic change" (remember she was/is an advisor to the pope)

Or:

Maurice Strong, who organized the first U.N. Earth Climate Summit (1992) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil revealed the real goal: “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be forindustrialized civilization to collapse.”


Or former Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick, who then headed the policy divisions of the U.S. State Department
A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”

In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

a 1996 publication “The Holocene”, by T.P. Barnett, B.D. Santer, P.D. Jones, R.S. Bradley and K.R. Briffa, says this: “Estimates of…natural variability are critical to the problem of detecting an anthropogenic [human] signal…We have estimated the spectrum…from paleo-temperature proxies and compared it with…general [climate] circulation models…none of the three estimates of the natural variability spectrum agree with each other…Until…resolved, it will be hard to say, with confidence, that an anthropogenic climate signal has or has not been detected


7. We understand from testimonies from the likes of Judith Curry vs. Michael Mann to Congress on how much the climate science really does not know how much is man made and how much is it natural variation

8. We understand about governmentfunding and how grants work like with Harvard's climate department sharing it grant monies with it's liberal arts department



Climate Change Research Grants | US EPA

We understand how the fossil fuels also fund the univerties

http://energydesk.greenpeace.org/20...-fossil-fuel-giants-despite-divestment-drive/


I could go on and on but most importantly what is more preferable a warming planet or a ice planet .??

Please discuss...

In addition, those of us who have a well rounded education also know history, I myself know history quite well and I know the history of science. I know that science has been more often wrong and that scientists are and have always been fir sale.

 

[Muhammed]

Please discuss...

Without exception, every denier on this board is a member of that right wing kook fringe cult. They are classic authoritarian followers, humans with a low fear tolerance who crave strong daddy-figures to protect them from what terrifies them, which would be nearly everything.

You are describing yourself.

You are a typical victim of the global warming doomsday cult. You want AUTHORITARIAN policies to be instituted because of your LOW FEAR TOLERANCE. The specter of global warming TERRIFIES you. You feel that you need some strong daddy-figures (Al Gore, the climategate fraudsters, etc) to protect you from global warming.