Why didnt FDR tell VP Truman about the ABomb

[whitehall]

The Truman we think we know is a fictional character invented by the liberal media. The feisty "give'em hell" political persona is an invention. In reality Truman was a timid clothing store owner who's education was limited to the management of a small town business and he was lucky enough to be elected to the senate when nobody cared. Truman authorized the nuclear attack on Japan with two A-bombs while Japan was frantically trying to negotiate surrender terms through our ally at the time, Joe Stalin. Truman was instructed by the remnants of the FDR administration not to negotiate with the Japanese and he followed orders just like he did in WW1. Truman didn't ask for authorization to send Troops to Korea. They were sent by executive order so Korea is Truman's responsibility from beginning to end. The liberal media wasn't interested in the conflict at the time and give 'em hell Harry got away with a truce at the cost of 50,000 Americans lost in three years. The media still supported him but the grass roots American public hated him so much that he could not withstand a primary fight for his 2nd full term so he retired from politics under a cloud and jumped in his Buick and drove back to Missouri.

 

[Unkotare]

Got us out of a Depression, revitalized America during WWII.

He extended a depression. Explain what you think you mean by "revitalized America during WWII."

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Truman we think we know is a fictional character invented by the liberal media. The feisty "give'em hell" political persona is an invention. In reality Truman was a timid clothing store owner who's education was limited to the management of a small town business and he was lucky enough to be elected to the senate when nobody cared. Truman authorized the nuclear attack on Japan with two A-bombs while Japan was frantically trying to negotiate surrender terms through our ally at the time, Joe Stalin. Truman was instructed by the remnants of the FDR administration not to negotiate with the Japanese and he followed orders just like he did in WW1. Truman didn't ask for authorization to send Troops to Korea. They were sent by executive order so Korea is Truman's responsibility from beginning to end. The liberal media wasn't interested in the conflict at the time and give 'em hell Harry got away with a truce at the cost of 50,000 Americans lost in three years. The media still supported him but the grass roots American public hated him so much that he could not withstand a primary fight for his 2nd full term so he retired from politics under a cloud and jumped in his Buick and drove back to Missouri.

A moment, whitey....

Let's be thankful for the intercession of Providence....

As you know, Roosevelt had three vice-presidents....the second being directly under the sway of Joe Stalin.

Imagine if Wallace had not been replaced by Truman!

 

[Unkotare]

Notice that the FDR nuthugger can't manage anything beyond vague generalities and the insistence that his hero was "great" despite his failures and atrocities.

 

[whitehall]

The Truman we think we know is a fictional character invented by the liberal media. The feisty "give'em hell" political persona is an invention. In reality Truman was a timid clothing store owner who's education was limited to the management of a small town business and he was lucky enough to be elected to the senate when nobody cared. Truman authorized the nuclear attack on Japan with two A-bombs while Japan was frantically trying to negotiate surrender terms through our ally at the time, Joe Stalin. Truman was instructed by the remnants of the FDR administration not to negotiate with the Japanese and he followed orders just like he did in WW1. Truman didn't ask for authorization to send Troops to Korea. They were sent by executive order so Korea is Truman's responsibility from beginning to end. The liberal media wasn't interested in the conflict at the time and give 'em hell Harry got away with a truce at the cost of 50,000 Americans lost in three years. The media still supported him but the grass roots American public hated him so much that he could not withstand a primary fight for his 2nd full term so he retired from politics under a cloud and jumped in his Buick and drove back to Missouri.

A moment, whitey....

Let's be thankful for the intercession of Providence....

As you know, Roosevelt had three vice-presidents....the second being directly under the sway of Joe Stalin.

Imagine if Wallace had not been replaced by Truman!

Key figures in the FDR administration were revealed to be communists. It seemed in his latter years FDR was under Stalin's sway and that seems to be the way the democrats preferred it but there is no evidence that Wallace was a communist. How would Wallace have treated the Stalin regime any differently than Truman?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Truman we think we know is a fictional character invented by the liberal media. The feisty "give'em hell" political persona is an invention. In reality Truman was a timid clothing store owner who's education was limited to the management of a small town business and he was lucky enough to be elected to the senate when nobody cared. Truman authorized the nuclear attack on Japan with two A-bombs while Japan was frantically trying to negotiate surrender terms through our ally at the time, Joe Stalin. Truman was instructed by the remnants of the FDR administration not to negotiate with the Japanese and he followed orders just like he did in WW1. Truman didn't ask for authorization to send Troops to Korea. They were sent by executive order so Korea is Truman's responsibility from beginning to end. The liberal media wasn't interested in the conflict at the time and give 'em hell Harry got away with a truce at the cost of 50,000 Americans lost in three years. The media still supported him but the grass roots American public hated him so much that he could not withstand a primary fight for his 2nd full term so he retired from politics under a cloud and jumped in his Buick and drove back to Missouri.

A moment, whitey....

Let's be thankful for the intercession of Providence....

As you know, Roosevelt had three vice-presidents....the second being directly under the sway of Joe Stalin.

Imagine if Wallace had not been replaced by Truman!

Key figures in the FDR administration were revealed to be communists. It seemed in his latter years FDR was under Stalin's sway and that seems to be the way the democrats preferred it but there is no evidence that Wallace was a communist. How would Wallace have treated the Stalin regime any differently than Truman?

1. Henry Wallace, 1940-1944. “America’s main enemy was Churchill and the British Empire.” He insisted that peace would be assured “if the United States guaranteed Stalin control of Eastern Europe.” (Ronad Radosh, “Progressively Worse,” The New Republic, June 12, 2000) When Stalin seized Czechoslovakia, Wallace sided with Stalin. When Stalin blockaded Berlin, Wallace opposed the Berlin Airlift. After visiting a Soviet slave camp, Wallace enthusiastically described it a s a “combination TVA and Hudson Bay Company.” Ibid,


2. In 1948, at the apex of Moscow-directed subversion of US politics, FDR’s VP Henry Wallace, former Sec’y of Agriculture, to form the Communist-dominated and Soviet-backed “Progressive Party.” Of course, Wallace’s “Progressives” allowed not even the most peripheral criticism of Soviet aggression.(John Patrick Diggins, “Good Intentions,” The National Interest, Fall, 2000)

a.The progressives received one million votes. The Communist Party USA did not field a presidential candidate, and instead endorsed Wallace for President. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1948)



3. Wallace met personally with KGB agents. (Allen Weinstein and Alexander Vassiliev, Haunted Woods, p. 119)
“…several prominent journalists, including H.L. Mencken and Dorothy Thompson, publicly charged that Wallace and the Progressives were under the covert control of Communists. Wallace was endorsed by the Communist Party (USA), and his subsequent refusal to publicly disavow any Communist support cost him the backing of many anti-Communist liberals and socialists…” (Henry A. Wallace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

4. In his diary, Wallace, whose view of the future of America required Soviet-style Communism, wrote that FDR had assured him that he was a few years ahead of his time, but that his vision for American would “inevitably come.” (John Patrick Diggins, “Good Intentions,” The National Interest, Fall, 2000)




5. “Henry Wallace, vice-president during Roosevelt’s third term in office (1941-1945), said later that if the ailing Roosevelt had died during that period and he had become President, it had been his intention to make Duggan his Secretary of State and White his Secretary of Tresury…The fact that Roosevelt survived into…a fourth term…deprived Soviet intelligence of what would have been its most spectacular success in penetrating a major Western government.”
‘The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archives, the History of the KGB,” by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin.p. 107-108

6. Ted Hall (code name MLAD), who with Klaus Fuchs, were agents of the Soviet union who gave the secrets of the atomic bomb to the Soviets when they worked on the Manhattan project at Los Alamos, while working for his PhD at Chicago University, joined the Communist Party, …(intending) to work for the Progressive candidate, the naively pro-Soviet Henry Wallace, in the presidential election.”
Albright and Kunstel, “Bombshell,” pp.176-8




7. He [[Wallace] didn’t actually do anything important as Secretary of Commerce related to the job’s responsibilities, but he did clash with Harry Truman over policy toward the Soviet Union, arguing for a softer line. Truman eventually sacked him, at which point he became editor of The New Republic. At the time TNR’s foreign policy involved being too far left rather than too far right, so Wallace denounced the Truman Doctrine and lay the groundwork for his 1948 Presidential Campaign on the Progressive Party ticket. The Wallace agenda was in many ways admirable—he stood foresquare for civil rights, voting rights for African-Americans, and universal health care. The campaign was also shot-through with Communists being controlled by Moscow, and there’s some indication in the Mitrokhin Archive that Wallace himself was considered a KGB asset at the time.
Commerce Cabinet Crisis X: Henry Wallace | ThinkProgress


8. In my opinion, the quicker we share our scientific knowledge the greater will be the chance that we can achieve genuine and durable world cooperation. Such action would be interpreted as a generous gesture on our part and lay the foundation for sound international agreements that would assure the control and development of atomic energy for peaceful use rather than destruction.
Henry Wallace, letter to Harry S. Truman (24th September, 1945).

If Wallace was President, Stalin wouldn't have needed the Rosenbergs.

 

[whitehall]

The first thing we need to acknowledge is that FDR was dying and the democrat party knew it. Running a dead man with an unknown VP who would become president was the ultimate in dirty tricks. A lot of crazy theories were promoted at that time including the one promoted by FDR's treasury secretary called the Morgenthau Plan which would have turned Germany into an agrarian country after the war and authorize the kidnapping every adult male German and sending them to Africa. Stalin was our ally and FDR used to call him "uncle Joe" and joke with him at Churchill's expense. You attribute a concern about the USSR that did not exist at the time at least officially. Truman appointed the overrated former Chief of Staff George Marshall as secretary of state and Marshall disarmed the Nationalist Chinese paving the way for Mao's communist revolution. Stalin continued his atrocities during Truman's administration and Truman agreed to the post war "iron curtain" that enslaved much of Europe.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The first thing we need to acknowledge is that FDR was dying and the democrat party knew it. Running a dead man with an unknown VP who would become president was the ultimate in dirty tricks. A lot of crazy theories were promoted at that time including the one promoted by FDR's treasury secretary called the Morgenthau Plan which would have turned Germany into an agrarian country after the war and authorize the kidnapping every adult male German and sending them to Africa. Stalin was our ally and FDR used to call him "uncle Joe" and joke with him at Churchill's expense. You attribute a concern about the USSR that did not exist at the time at least officially. Truman appointed the overrated former Chief of Staff George Marshall as secretary of state and Marshall disarmed the Nationalist Chinese paving the way for Mao's communist revolution. Stalin continued his atrocities during Truman's administration and Truman agreed to the post war "iron curtain" that enslaved much of Europe.

You said "there is no evidence that Wallace was a communist."

I believe that I've documented a very different reality.


Roosevelt was soft on communism, there were many communist agents in his administration, and Wallace was the only one he fired.

If you read the provided notes, you will see that Truman disagreed with Wallace...and fired him as well.


In 1944 the Institute of Pacific Relations, according to the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, "disseminated and sought to popularize false information including information originating from Soviet and Communist sources," published a fifty-six-page pamphlet, Our Job in Asia, which was allegedly written by Vice-President Wallace. "The Russians," the author of the pamphlet claimed, "have demonstrated their friendly attitude toward China by their willingness to refrain from intervening in China's internal affairs." Some years later -- after the collapse of the American allied Kuomintang government to the Comintern sponsored Maoist regime and in the midst of the Korean War which cost 53,000 American lives, on October 17, 1951, Wallace testified before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee. Wallace admitted: "It begins to look, for the time being at any rate, that my size-up as made in 1944 was incorrect." Wallace further admitted under oath that most of a book entitled Soviet Asia Mission written under his name detailing his official trip to Soviet Siberia and China in 1944 had actually been written by Andrew J. Steiger, a person identified under oath as a member of the Communist party. The Communist party at that time advocated the violent overthrow of the United StatesConstitution.
US Senate, 82nd Congress, 1st Session, Committee on the Judiciary, Institute of Pacific Relations, Part V, pp. 1302, 1206.


And, no, I don't believe that Truman was just the same as Henry Wallace.

 

[whitehall]

The left defends FDR for his socialist policies and friendship with Stalin but the revisionist fools criticize FDR's V.P. for being too progressive? Since when did the democrat party ever kick out someone for being too liberal? I doubt if FDR was even in his right mind when they took Wallace off the ballot while he was on vacation. There was no such movement in the democrat party to rid itself of socialists or communists when Wallace was taken off the ballot. That's a revisionist theory. Democrats deceived the American public when they ran a dying (perhaps incoherent) incumbent with a long list of medical problems including blood pressure that was off the charts and maybe a few strokes. They picked an uneducated rube like Truman so they could control him when he became president. How bad could it have been under Wallace when Truman got us into an undeclared shooting war that cost 50,000 Troops in three years while the Russians were gobbling up countries in Europe? Truman couldn't even get support from his own party to run for a 2nd full term and yet the liberal media loved him.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The left defends FDR for his socialist policies and friendship with Stalin but the revisionist fools criticize FDR's V.P. for being too progressive? Since when did the democrat party ever kick out someone for being too liberal? I doubt if FDR was even in his right mind when they took Wallace off the ballot while he was on vacation. There was no such movement in the democrat party to rid itself of socialists or communists when Wallace was taken off the ballot. That's a revisionist theory. Democrats deceived the American public when they ran a dying (perhaps incoherent) incumbent with a long list of medical problems including blood pressure that was off the charts and maybe a few strokes. They picked an uneducated rube like Truman so they could control him when he became president. How bad could it have been under Wallace when Truman got us into an undeclared shooting war that cost 50,000 Troops in three years while the Russians were gobbling up countries in Europe? Truman couldn't even get support from his own party to run for a 2nd full term and yet the liberal media loved him.

Half-dozen of so sources not good enough?
I believe I'll stick with the scholarship on this one.

 

[whitehall]

The left defends FDR for his socialist policies and friendship with Stalin but the revisionist fools criticize FDR's V.P. for being too progressive? Since when did the democrat party ever kick out someone for being too liberal? I doubt if FDR was even in his right mind when they took Wallace off the ballot while he was on vacation. There was no such movement in the democrat party to rid itself of socialists or communists when Wallace was taken off the ballot. That's a revisionist theory. Democrats deceived the American public when they ran a dying (perhaps incoherent) incumbent with a long list of medical problems including blood pressure that was off the charts and maybe a few strokes. They picked an uneducated rube like Truman so they could control him when he became president. How bad could it have been under Wallace when Truman got us into an undeclared shooting war that cost 50,000 Troops in three years while the Russians were gobbling up countries in Europe? Truman couldn't even get support from his own party to run for a 2nd full term and yet the liberal media loved him.

Half-dozen of so sources not good enough?
I believe I'll stick with the scholarship on this one.

Most of what we accept as news these days is really opinion. Most of what we accept as history is ...opinion. It's easy for a historian with a political agenda to leave out details that might not agree with his theory. Facts, absolute facts show that Harry Truman issued an executive order rather than going through congress to put boots on the ground in Korea. Facts show that about 50,000 Americans died during the conflict. Bill Clinton's DOD revised the numbers down to 35,000 to include only American Troops actually killed in combat on the Korean peninsula but every other conflict in history includes every American who died during the conflict regardless whether it is an accident or sickness so this new DOD figure is strange and rather offensive. People accept it because "sources" tend to be kind to the Truman legacy. Facts indicate that the mission in Korea was completed in less than a year. Not only did (UN) American forces beat back the NK invaders but the NK capital was captured. That should have ended it but here's where speculation enters the picture. Either Truman wasn't paying attention or he was afraid in a political sense or even in a literal sense of the aging WW1 General he appointed. The media noticed that MacArthur insulted the president on a few occasions but Truman didn't seem to notice. Truman backed off when MacArthur proposed an insane plan to "liberate" the entire peninsula with exhausted and ill supplied Troops and America walked into the biggest ambush in history. Red China told Truman that they would enter the conflict if the US approached the Yalu river but MacArthur scoffed at the warning. The media "sources" loved Truman so much that they called the conflict in Korea the "forgotten war" rather than spend time criticizing a fellow democrat.

 

[regent]

What was the mission of the American troops in Korea? Did they accomplish that mission?

 

[whitehall]

What was the mission of the American troops in Korea? Did they accomplish that mission?

Yes and no. The mission was justified even though Truman did not ask for congressional authorization but without authorization the mission was on Truman's shoulders. At first the US /UN forces were up against a substantial enemy force in a well planned attack. MacArthur's Inchon Landing plan was a brilliant strategy that turned the tide and US/UN forces disrupted the NK supply lines and isolated and captured their forces and re-captured the South Korea capital and went on to capture the NK capital of Pong Yang. The mission was accomplished with probably a couple of thousand American losses. On the diplomatic front the Chinese Communists warned the US that any approach to the NK/China border -Yalu river would be met with Chinese forces. The US had no interest in approaching the far north NK Yalu river border so the war was over and the mission was accomplished. .....Chapter 2?

 

[ginscpy]

FDR hid his polio from the public BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gipper]

FDR hid his polio from the public BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason Stalin's Stooge was able to hide his illness from the American people, is he had a compliant press and congress.

Much like we have today.

 

[regent]

FDR didn't hide his paralysis from the public, most knew FDR was paralyzed. Newsreels showed FDR in therapy in Warm Springs Georgia, even as he was president. In 1938 the March of Dimes was started using FDR's paralysis as a springboard to combat polio.
What FDR didn't do, was use his paralysis to gain votes or sympathy, nor did Republicans use FDR's paralysis against him. Republicans of those years were different than today's Republicans. In any case Americans knew, and it didn't matter, they still voted for him four times and Historians still rate FDR as America's greatest president.

 

[Unkotare]

One of the worst villians in our country's history.

 

[regent]

One of the worst villians in our country's history.

Well, you have presented overwhelming evidence, so who can respond?

 

[Unkotare]

One of the worst villians in our country's history.

Well, you have presented overwhelming evidence

As a matter of fact, I have. Time and time again on thread after thread where mindless leftists like you suckle the cock of a dead villian just because it fits your politics. That says a lot about you and your ilk.

 

[regent]

One of the worst villians in our country's history.

Well, you have presented overwhelming evidence

As a matter of fact, I have. Time and time again on thread after thread where mindless leftists like you suckle the cock of a dead villian just because it fits your politics. That says a lot about you and your ilk.

So what's my ilk, historians? I accept that, especially if I were one of the ilks asked to participate in a poll on rating the presidents. But I think the polls only ask the well-known ilka, the top university types and that's not my ilk, but if you insist.
Remember, elected four times and rated America's greatest.