Why Did the Founding Fathers Say Our Rights Come from God?

[BlindBoo]

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The only mention of a supernatural being in our founding document is as a placeholder in time.

Note no claim of TAKING or GRANTING of Rights.

I disagree.

"establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty"

Which one of those, says that they are taking or giving Rights?

All of them.

 

[Correll]

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The only mention of a supernatural being in our founding document is as a placeholder in time.

Note no claim of TAKING or GRANTING of Rights.

I disagree.

"establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty"

Which one of those, says that they are taking or giving Rights?

All of them.

No, they don't. "Establish Justice" is not about taking or granting rights, for one example.

 

[rightwinger]

If our rights come from God, why do we need a Government to protect them?

 

[Correll]

If our rights come from God, why do we need a Government to protect them?

Because people can take away that which God gave.

 

[rightwinger]

If our rights come from God, why do we need a Government to protect them?

Because people can take away that which God gave.

God is more powerful.
If they take away his God given rights......he can smite them

 

[Correll]

If our rights come from God, why do we need a Government to protect them?

Because people can take away that which God gave.

God is more powerful.
If they take away his God given rights......he can smite them

But for what ever reason, he does not. So, there we are. We, fallible people, must take steps to protect and secure them.

 

[rightwinger]

If our rights come from God, why do we need a Government to protect them?

Because people can take away that which God gave.

God is more powerful.
If they take away his God given rights......he can smite them

But for what ever reason, he does not. So, there we are. We, fallible people, must take steps to protect and secure them.

Billions of people do not have their God given rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

God is not helping much

 

[Correll]

If our rights come from God, why do we need a Government to protect them?

Because people can take away that which God gave.

God is more powerful.
If they take away his God given rights......he can smite them

But for what ever reason, he does not. So, there we are. We, fallible people, must take steps to protect and secure them.

Billions of people do not have their God given rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

God is not helping much

Correct. God gave, men took away. It is called oppression.

 

[Desperado]

A: Because if your Rights come from a government then that means the government can take them away.

The Founding Fathers were all about limiting the power of government.

Not all the founding fathers wanted to limit government.

Right now tramp has taken many rights away. You are right.

What rights comes from God??

Exactly what rights did Trump take away from you?

 

[harmonica]

1. can't prove there is a god--so that makes all of it nonsense/ridiculous
2. right to firearms- from god? ridiculous--makes no sense
3. the writers also thought slavery was ok--women shouldn't vote = what they wrote is not written in stone = wrong/can be interpreted many ways/flawed/etc
4.separation of church and state!

 

[whitehall]

The FF made a distinction between the life and death power of the king of England and self government.

 

[Polishprince]

A: Because if your Rights come from a government then that means the government can take them away.

The Founding Fathers were all about limiting the power of government.

Not in the Constitution

The idea of allowing the federal government to do anything, is a modern one.

Back in the early 20th Century, Congress felt needed to pass and ratify the 18th Amendment when they wanted to outlaw liquor. They didn't believe the Constitution allowed them just to pass a statute.

In more recent days, they assume all sorts of powers they never did in the day.The Runaway 111th Congress actually assumed the power to force people to buy insurance policies that many did not want.

 

[rightwinger]

18th century Governments had no concept of Social programs

Modern governments have evolved

 

[Polishprince]

18th century Governments had no concept of Social programs

Modern governments have evolved

Of course, with all due respects,you are full of shit.

The 1601 Elizabethan Poor Law was the prototype of modern social legislation, long before the 18th Century.

The 1601 Elizabethan Poor Law

The Elizabethans had a comprehensive social program designed to meet each subgroup of poor people's specific needs.

• those who would work but could not: these were the able-bodied or deserving poor. They were to be given help either through outdoor relief or by being given work in return for a wage.
• those who could work but would not: these were the idle poor. They were to be whipped through the streets, publicly, until they learned the error of their ways.
• those who were too old/ill/young to work: these were the impotent or deserving poor. They were to be looked after in almshouses, hospitals, orphanages or poor houses. Orphans and children of the poor were to be given a trade apprenticeship so that they would have a trade to pursue when they grew up.

 

[rightwinger]

Does God support the Second Amendment?

 

[Polishprince]

Does God support the Second Amendment?

Almighty God endowed his people with the inalienable right to bear arms.

The 2nd Amendment is just the government recognizing God's authority to do this.

So, you have it backwards here, the 2nd Amendment supports Almighty God's sovereignty