Why did the Democrats and Obama fail this election cycle this year?

[asterism]

What happened?

Same thing as always happens.

Buyers' regret.

Had the employment numbers improved the Dems would have done much better.

But as Obama lacked the balls (or votes or whatever) to actually do what needed to be done naturally they took a bath this time round.

I mean seriously...some of you act like this is something new in US politics.

A point rarely made is that the employment numbers didn't improve based on some magic, it didn't improve because the vast government intrusion into the economy didn't work. Progressives blame the economy for their loss without realizing what they did to make things worse.

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[rdean]

I'm going to tell you why, our president tried too damn hard to be the president of everyone, reaching out and being too generous with a Republican Party that has little to no respect for him as a politician and leader of this country. Its a known fact that the "solutions" of the Republican Party don't work so it was senseless to reach out to those monkeys while simultaneously reminding the American people of how bad 8 years of Bush and the Republicans were, it sends a confusing message to the American people. You don't do compromises and deals with the devil and expect to come out on the better end of it, his willingness to compromise with the Republicans on the extension of the Bush tax cuts further underlines my point, let the damn things expire and move on.


As for some of the rest of the Democrats, especially the Bluedogs, they got voted out because they sold out the people they were supposed to represent all in the name of retaining their power. Its no surprise that only the more liberal Democrats retained their sets and the so called "conservative" Democrats lost out. Instead of distancing themselves from Obama to save their seats they should have stood up for the people that put them in office, instead when they saw the low poll numbers of Obama they thought they could hustle themselves into keeping their seats by being more "conservative."

News flash...He is the President of everyone in the US!

The right wing doesn't seem to think so. They believe he wasn't born here. That he's the "anti Christ". Anything to make him seem "not one of us".

Their problem, if you are black, you have a very, very slim chance of being a Republican since their party is 90% white. That's means he probably never can be "one of them".

Even though Obama hasn't done anything "radical", the right wing has gone off the deep end. What could account for that? Besides race?

I suspect the bulk of Obama's health care plan came from Republicans. Think Mitt Romny and Sarah Palin. Obama has kept many of Bush advisors. He has followed some of the economic plans laid out by Bush. He admires and publicly wants to emulate Ronald Reagan. And yet, according to the right, he is this terrible Marxist, Nazi radical who wants to kill you're grandmother. This all goes back to a "black guy" being in the "WHITE" House. There simply isn't another explanation. Especially after the "anti Christ" thing and the constant attempt to link him to Muslims. It's all about race. 90% baby, 90%.

 

[code1211]

What happened?

Same thing as always happens.

Buyers' regret.

Had the employment numbers improved the Dems would have done much better.

But as Obama lacked the balls (or votes or whatever) to actually do what needed to be done naturally they took a bath this time round.

I mean seriously...some of you act like this is something new in US politics.

Not to state the obvious, but the Big 0 had the votes to do whatever he wanted to do. His problem was not the majority, it was the ability.

He did not have a clue. If he was as smart as he wished we believed him to be, we would have a growing jobs pool and a widely increased tax base. He is not. We are suffering as a result.

The Dems gambled that the American economy would rebound no matter what they did and that they could then claim the credit for it happening because of their plans. Instead of working to reinvigorate the economy, they decided to squander money on pet projects that the more wise of the past could not and would not suffer the electorate to spend treasure upon.

They lost that gamble and they are paying for it now.

The TEA Party inspired folks have the same chance to implement a program that will do some good. Let's see what they do.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

I heard this same thing on NPR the other day. The Dems lost not because they are tone deaf in their interpretation of the voice of the peole and not because they are failures by the standards they set for success and not because they are setting records for mismanagement of funds and not because thay are being forced to investigate their members for crimes against the people.

The Democrats have concluded that they are failures because they are not Liberal enough. Interesting conclusion.

They must be right. All of the scientists are Democrat and those guys are brilliant.

Had Obama heeded the words of the more liberal House and Senate Democrats instead listening to the incompetent monkeys around him who were more concerned with making him look good this past election wouldn't have been as bad.

You mean just more of the same? Just vote on bills despite what the people say? You are dillusional...they lost precisely because they weren't listening and stealing liberty out from underneath the people and spending us further into the poorhouse.

Or didn't the G20 and the embarassment it caused this Republic speak to you at all?

The Democratic loses in the house and Senate are not an endorsement of the Republicans, it is because of concerns about the economy and the high unemployment rate, not because of any stolen liberty you jackass, last time I checked, voters are sick of both parties which they rightfully should be, but flip flopping back and forth between Dems and Repugs isn't the answer.

 

[code1211]

I heard this same thing on NPR the other day. The Dems lost not because they are tone deaf in their interpretation of the voice of the peole and not because they are failures by the standards they set for success and not because they are setting records for mismanagement of funds and not because thay are being forced to investigate their members for crimes against the people.

The Democrats have concluded that they are failures because they are not Liberal enough. Interesting conclusion.

They must be right. All of the scientists are Democrat and those guys are brilliant.

Had Obama heeded the words of the more liberal House and Senate Democrats instead listening to the incompetent monkeys around him who were more concerned with making him look good this past election wouldn't have been as bad.

How so? 40% of the voters didn't turn out saying that they thought Obama and the Democrats had been too centrist.

Could be that they noticed that the Golden Boy was actually made of tarnished brass? Could be that they noticed that every thing he promised was not done and that all of the bad Bush programs are still going on because the Big 0 really had NO ALTERNATIVES to offer?

He has emptied the treasury with empty promises and empty rhetoric and shown himself to be an empty suit with empty standards and empty ideas.

If he had fulfilled his promises and fulfilled the hopes that he fanned, the Dems would have enjoyed the first of many sweepingly victorious election cycles.

That 40% you are talking about listened and believed. The Big 0 is not capable of delivering what he promised. Everyone, apparently, except you sees that.

This election is not the result of the Republicans winning. It is the result of the Big 0 losing.

 

[Stephanie]

LOL, poor poor Bass, just can't accept the fact the Obama AND his comrades in ARMS and their Socialist policies ARE NOT LIKED OR WANTED.
but of course it's blamed on the fact that the American people are too stupid to see how the Obama just has our best INTREST at heart.to the tune of trillions of dollars.

 

[MaggieMae]

Over half of the remaining Dems in Congress represent California, New Jersey, New York, or New England. The Dems aren't a legit party in the South and Plains.

I voted for Obama, and might do it again because the Republican candidates look terrible. But he was so arrogant when he came into office with his "I won" comments and had no clue how to get anything done. Pelosi did all the work for health care, and he and Biden took credit. The Republicans are also full of it - they claim to be against socialized medicine - yet expanded Medicare dramatically and refuse to make significant cuts to that program. Yet they sell this message of "limited government" very well, even though they don't practice it for a second.

The best way to limit government is to divide it. And I think we're in for 6 years of divided government, and it was a dramatic success for the 6 years we had it from 1995 to 2001, so the last two elections are both causes for optimism.

That makes absolutely no sense. A divided government has NOT been a success, and still isn't, because each party will attempt to obstruct anything the ruling party attempts. Gridlock and bitter conflicts carry forward, nothing gets done without a royal battle, and that pervasive stench drifts down to the American people causing us to be angry and bitter. Why on earth is that a GOOD thing?

The only reason the 90's were a success in spite of a Democratic President and a Republican legislature is that those two bodies COMPROMISED--which is the INTENT of the Constitution.

 

[MaggieMae]

Once again in 2010 the safest (elected) thing to be was an incumbent:

"Out of 435 seats, 351 incumbents will be returning to the House in January.

"In the Senate, out of 100 seats, 77 incumbents will return in January.

"As the libertarian Joel Hirschorn puts it, 'Welcome back to the reality of America's delusional democracy where career politicians will continue to foster a corrupt, inefficient and dysfunctional government because that is what the two-party plutocracy and its supporters want for their own selfish reasons.'"

Think how different this conversation would be if that "two party plutocracy" had been challenged two weeks ago.

Just for a minute wrap your minds around the difference 100 - 200 newly elected Greens and Libs would have made in the House.

How about the Change 30 - 40 Green, Independent or Libertarian Senators could deliver?

Maybe ALL Republicans AND Democrats have outlived their usefulness to this Republic?

Time for a Real Mutiny

Problem: 100 aren't "returning" to the Senate. 2/3rds weren't up for reelection.

Thanks.

I think what's being claimed is that out of a total 100 seats, 77 incumbents (including the 66?) who weren't running for reelection will be back in the Senate in 2011.

Possibly, along with Republicans AND Democrats, the US Senate has outlived its usefulness to this Republic?

I get confused. I thought all the cons were strict Constitutionalists, what with all their yelping all the time "SHOW ME WHERE THAT IS IN THE CONSTITUTION," yet you want to amend the Constitution to remove Section 3 of Article I?? Then what? Would you replace it with a dictatorship (of your choice, of course) with no checks and balances?

 

[MaggieMae]

Keep thinking that and Democrats will never get power back Bass.

I'm not particular about any party, I prefer a third party if anything.

The idea of an Independent Party is probably not that far off. However, unless people begin to get honest with themselves and admit to what a true independent really is, any structured Independent Party will simply be made up of pissed off Republicans and Democrats over their current leadership. A real independent is a fiscal conservative but a social liberal, and whomever best characterizes those values is the one who should be voted for. You don't just call yourself an Independent because you went to the polls November 2nd to cast a vote AGAINST the Democrats, and vice versa in 2008.

 

[MaggieMae]

Keep thinking that and Democrats will never get power back Bass.

I'm not particular about any party, I prefer a third party if anything.

The New Black Panther Party isn't viable.

It's remarks like that, which will get more vocal over the next two years because you think you "WON" and are now in the driver's seat, which will ironically see you run over again.

 

[MaggieMae]

The elections are over, why are 90+% of all the threads on these boards still total shit?

Because the resident Statists of USMB are in a state of denial...

There's no denial. Whot? Yup, you guys won the battle (but you sure ain't won the war yet).

 

[MaggieMae]

Once again in 2010 the safest (elected) thing to be was an incumbent:

"Out of 435 seats, 351 incumbents will be returning to the House in January.

"In the Senate, out of 100 seats, 77 incumbents will return in January.

"As the libertarian Joel Hirschorn puts it, 'Welcome back to the reality of America's delusional democracy where career politicians will continue to foster a corrupt, inefficient and dysfunctional government because that is what the two-party plutocracy and its supporters want for their own selfish reasons.'"

Think how different this conversation would be if that "two party plutocracy" had been challenged two weeks ago.

Just for a minute wrap your minds around the difference 100 - 200 newly elected Greens and Libs would have made in the House.

How about the Change 30 - 40 Green, Independent or Libertarian Senators could deliver?

Maybe ALL Republicans AND Democrats have outlived their usefulness to this Republic?

Time for a Real Mutiny

Problem: 100 aren't "returning" to the Senate. 2/3rds weren't up for reelection.

If the Dems thought 2010 was a blood bath...

I know you all are basking in the glory of your recent win, but don't make it seem like the majority of Americans are so happy with Republicans that they'll want another dose in two years.

Congress

They'd better come up with a working platform PDQ. They've had two (no, four) years to develop a sustaining proposal such as Gingrich's "Contract With America," but where is it?

 

[Mad Scientist]

You don't do compromises and deals with the devil and expect to come out on the better end of it./quote]"Duh waht man is duh debil! He be like, the debil and stuffs".

I blame Bush of course.

 

[Stephanie]

lol

I know you all are basking in the glory of your recent win, but don't make it seem like the majority of Americans are so happy with Republicans that they'll want another dose in two years.

it was CERTAINLY EVIDENT with this last election, that the people didn't WANT ANYMORE of the OBAMA and his commie comrades in arms IN JUST TWO FRIGGEN YEARS OF THEM.

so you lefties can SPIN it anyway you want, nobody is listening anymore.

 

[MaggieMae]

What happened?

Same thing as always happens.

Buyers' regret.

Had the employment numbers improved the Dems would have done much better.

But as Obama lacked the balls (or votes or whatever) to actually do what needed to be done naturally they took a bath this time round.

I mean seriously...some of you act like this is something new in US politics.

Not to state the obvious, but the Big 0 had the votes to do whatever he wanted to do. His problem was not the majority, it was the ability.

He did not have a clue. If he was as smart as he wished we believed him to be, we would have a growing jobs pool and a widely increased tax base. He is not. We are suffering as a result.

The Dems gambled that the American economy would rebound no matter what they did and that they could then claim the credit for it happening because of their plans. Instead of working to reinvigorate the economy, they decided to squander money on pet projects that the more wise of the past could not and would not suffer the electorate to spend treasure upon.

They lost that gamble and they are paying for it now.

The TEA Party inspired folks have the same chance to implement a program that will do some good. Let's see what they do.

What is a "growing jobs pool"??

 

[MaggieMae]

What happened?

Same thing as always happens.

Buyers' regret.

Had the employment numbers improved the Dems would have done much better.

But as Obama lacked the balls (or votes or whatever) to actually do what needed to be done naturally they took a bath this time round.

I mean seriously...some of you act like this is something new in US politics.

Not to state the obvious, but the Big 0 had the votes to do whatever he wanted to do. His problem was not the majority, it was the ability.

He did not have a clue. If he was as smart as he wished we believed him to be, we would have a growing jobs pool and a widely increased tax base. He is not. We are suffering as a result.

The Dems gambled that the American economy would rebound no matter what they did and that they could then claim the credit for it happening because of their plans. Instead of working to reinvigorate the economy, they decided to squander money on pet projects that the more wise of the past could not and would not suffer the electorate to spend treasure upon.

They lost that gamble and they are paying for it now.

The TEA Party inspired folks have the same chance to implement a program that will do some good. Let's see what they do.

Ah yes, the Tea Party's newbies. Ironically, absent are the ones who got the most media coverage and by that alone should have won, hands down: Miller, Angel, O'Donnell and a few others. But wait! One of them will be taking his seat in the House come January, but he's already pissed off that he can't immediately get on the gubmit dole by getting federal employee health coverage now, instead of the mandatory 30-day waiting period. Imagine that.

GOP frosh: Where's my health care? - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

 

[MaggieMae]

You don't do compromises and deals with the devil and expect to come out on the better end of it./quote]"Duh waht man is duh debil! He be like, the debil and stuffs".

I blame Bush of course.

Another blatant bigot. You guys are really coming out, eh? And all this time we kept hearing "It has nothing to do with being black..." Yeah, right. Now that you think you've got carte blanche to say anything you want, you will. But hey, I for one saw right through you and your ilk all along.

Pathetic.

 

[MaggieMae]

lol

I know you all are basking in the glory of your recent win, but don't make it seem like the majority of Americans are so happy with Republicans that they'll want another dose in two years.

it was CERTAINLY EVIDENT with this last election, that the people didn't WANT ANYMORE of the OBAMA and his commie comrades in arms IN JUST TWO FRIGGEN YEARS OF THEM.

so you lefties can SPIN it anyway you want, nobody is listening anymore.

I really hope illiterates like you stay right where you are. You deserve each other.

 

[Stephanie]

lol

I know you all are basking in the glory of your recent win, but don't make it seem like the majority of Americans are so happy with Republicans that they'll want another dose in two years.

it was CERTAINLY EVIDENT with this last election, that the people didn't WANT ANYMORE of the OBAMA and his commie comrades in arms IN JUST TWO FRIGGEN YEARS OF THEM.

so you lefties can SPIN it anyway you want, nobody is listening anymore.

I really hope illiterates like you stay right where you are. You deserve each other.

waaa waaa