Why Defeating George W. Bush is of Paramount Importance

[David2004]

It is not because George W. Bush is a bad person. It is because he has a team of people that there core beliefs and ideals are self-serving are taking this country in the wrong direction. The War on Iraq taking out Saddam was a war of choice made by the conservative neocons in the Bush administration. They threw the mass media manipulated intelligence information taking us into a war of choice. The multi-billion dollar contracts that went to former companies of people in the Bush administration that were directly connected to the decision process into going to War with Iraq is a conflict of interest. Spending borrowed money on a chosen war with very shallow international coalition behind us has deepened the global divide putting us in a very un-secure position.

As the token international coalition dwindles to the few nations that are fearful of United States policies retaliation. Only the people and the government of Israel are still firmly behind us in this war on Iraq. While Israel possesses nuclear weapons of mass destruction that are a real and vital threat to peace in the Middle East and the world while they are building an illegal wall around their nation on somebody else land. The un-conditional support of the United States government of the Israeli policies and actions has deepened the global divide. The past and current actions of the State of Israel are only worsening a bad situation making the world a more dangerous place.

The people?s perception of a nation?s security is often manipulated by the military industrial complex for self serving profits. The Palestinian-Israeli Crisis and the War in Iraq are two good examples of this. While condemning Saddam for many of his inhuman actions many more people and nations believe that the State of Israel acts like a rogue nation.

 

[dilloduck]

America WAS ALREADY insecure! It took the balls of a republican to admit it and start fighting it instead of sitting on our asses. Whoever runs the country from now on will HAVE to acknowedge the issue of this war and in doing so maybe we can stay alive to enjoy our other rights.

Dead people seldom worry about thier freedom of speech.

 

[5stringJeff]

Moved here from David's other thread.

 

[NATO AIR]

i supported toppling saddam

i do think there were some people who believed so much in toppling him that they were willing to accept any help neccessary to do it (i.e. bad intelligence, bad information, flawed arguments)... we all are guilty of this at times.

toppling saddam was still the right thing to do, although we shouldn't give those within the Chain Of Command (i don't think the president is to blame on this) who have so badly mismanaged the reconstruction and post-occupation Iraq periods.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by David2004
It is not because George W. Bush is a bad person. It is because he has a team of people that there core beliefs and ideals are self-serving are taking this country in the wrong direction.

I beg to differ. It is my fervent belief it is the proper direction, one which acknowledges the reality of our unique position in the world instead of being in denial and envy of it, like the eurolibs and their brainwashed amercican counterparts.

The War on Iraq taking out Saddam was a war of choice made by the conservative neocons in the Bush administration.

The U.N. should have taken out saddam for his flagrant violation of U.N. sanctions, kicking out un nuclear inspectors, etc. Why have you forgotten all this?

They threw the mass media manipulated intelligence information taking us into a war of choice. The multi-billion dollar contracts that went to former companies of people in the Bush administration that were directly connected to the decision process into going to War with Iraq is a conflict of interest.

Using construction companies and infrastructure companies is an unavoidable part of reconstucting any society. Just because private corporations are subcontracted to rebuild after wars doesn't invalidate all the other valid reasons for the war. Kicking out inspectors put in place by the U.N. on conditions of a cease fire from a prevous war should be considered an act of war itself. But you libs ignore it? WHy?

Spending borrowed money on a chosen war with very shallow international coalition behind us has deepened the global divide putting us in a very un-secure position.

As the token international coalition dwindles to the few nations that are fearful of United States policies retaliation. Only the people and the government of Israel are still firmly behind us in this war on Iraq. While Israel possesses nuclear weapons of mass destruction that are a real and vital threat to peace in the Middle East and the world while they are building an illegal wall around their nation on somebody else land. The un-conditional support of the United States government of the Israeli policies and actions has deepened the global divide. The past and current actions of the State of Israel are only worsening a bad situation making the world a more dangerous place.

The people?s perception of a nation?s security is often manipulated by the military industrial complex for self serving profits. The Palestinian-Israeli Crisis and the War in Iraq are two good examples of this. While condemning Saddam for many of his inhuman actions many more people and nations believe that the State of Israel acts like a rogue nation.

But nonetheless, our western flavor of establishmentarianism is not based around the fundamentalist Quranic tribalisms and tyrannies of the middle age arab world, which the modern arab world has descended into due to the ascendancy to power of the saud wahabbiists. The bottom line: muslims could live in a world of secular government, western style, but the current flavor of expansionist, world dominating, islam is intolerant of religious diversity, and personal liberty, and self expression, and, and women's rights on and on...

Bottom bottom line? we're better.

 

[Merlin1047]

Originally posted by David2004
The War on Iraq taking out Saddam was a war of choice made by the conservative neocons in the Bush administration. They threw the mass media manipulated intelligence information taking us into a war of choice. The multi-billion dollar contracts that went to former companies of people in the Bush administration that were directly connected to the decision process into going to War with Iraq is a conflict of interest. Spending borrowed money on a chosen war with very shallow international coalition behind us has deepened the global divide putting us in a very un-secure position.

"War of choice", the latest buzz-words in an ongoing effort by gutless liberals to fine tune their whining about taking action against a ruthless dictator who murdered his own people and invaded his neighbor.

Obviously some of you lefties either suffer from ADD or you have a conveniently selective memory. Saddam signed a cease fire agreement after the first gulf war. For twelve years and fifteen UN resolutions he thumbed his nose at inspectors, violated the oil for food program, continued to murder and torture his people and repeatedly attacked our military as they patrolled the no-fly zones. And now you have the gall to whine about Pres. Bush's decision to act against Saddam.

Here's what makes the world a dangerous place:

1. Sitting on our butts and failing to enforce the treaties we make with scum such as Saddam and

2. Allowing terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda to think that all Americans are cut from the same cloth as the gutless, whining wonders on the far left.

If you think that after 12 years and 15 resolutions this is a "war of choice", let me ask you - WHAT DOES IT TAKE convince you watery-eyed, limp-wristed, weak-kneed, lily-livered leftists that action is justified?

Or is it possible that most of you really believe that the Iraq invasion was justified and the real reason you rail against it is to provide a contrived issue for the election? Could it be that, as usual, you are willing to lie and to subordinate the best interest of the country in a rabid effort to elect a candidate who will return this country to the socialist path you so dearly prize?

 

[Hobbit]

You can stop refuting him, because he's not listening. That whole post is a cut and paste job. You can tell from the fact that there are question marks instead of apostraphes.

 

[jon_forward]

David2004 is a hit a runner. why he bothers is beyond me.

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by jon_forward
David2004 is a hit a runner. why he bothers is beyond me.

I agree, on a lower par than Bully, who at least posts his own thoughts, no matter how addled they might be...